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post Mar 18 2013, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Mar 18 2013, 03:37 PM) *
Isn't the potential for quitting after one tough fight a little premature?

Unless your name's Victor Ortiz

QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 03:40 PM) *
another good call. i didn't give this bout much thought but i watched ruslans fights last friday and knew it was going to be a tough one. everyone was still bickering about floyd's comments over ward that this one just flew under the radar. after this fight...i am an even bigger bradley fan!!! fuck lampley and kellerman.

Yeah, that Floyd stuff definitely gave a lot of people tunnel vision. I knew that a potential fight wasn't going to come out of all the nonsense, so I just left it alone. LOL.

I MAY have seen Ruslan fight before, but then again, I think I got him mixed up with Kim. I could've seen him fight on FNFs, but again, I truly dont remember. I wont lie and say that I didn't feel bad for Bradley, but again this is a contact sport, and the ONLY fighter that I've felt sorry for, was Miguel Cotto. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE (mgrover @ Mar 18 2013, 03:59 PM) *
While I really dislike Bradley even I don't want him slurring like Rios at any age

Same here. With a dome as big as his, he may have another 8 years left on his career. Lol

I cant even agree that Rios slurs, and I actually watched the recent HBO segment. Dude has always talked like he was holding spit in his mouth, then that stupid smile of his doesn't help the matter.

QUOTE (checkleft @ Mar 18 2013, 04:18 PM) *
Roach even said it was one of the best fights he's ever seen.

As much as I don't like Roach from time to time, I've eased up off of him. He DOES speak the truth about his fighters. In this case, I can't say that he was speaking the truth about the Bradley/Provo fight. Me thinks that's he's doing his best to make Timmy seem like a warrior, so the Pacquiao rematch will be THAT much more appealing.

Had he talked shit about Timmy almost being knocked out on several occasions, then he'd only be doing himself an injustice, by making it seem like Manny is about to fight a chinny chump in a comeback bout. Let's not forget that Manny got laid out, so his next opponent should seem as "dangerous" as possible...according to his team, who seem to having a hard time reviving his recently blemished terminator demeanor.

PS: Why didn't Timmy's face look like this after the Pacquaio fight, since so many "devastating" flurries landed on Pac's behalf? Weird, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:22 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 18 2013, 08:39 AM) *
Wow, so Bradley had ONE tough fight, and guys are already talking up his retirement. I've read this in various places since I saw the fight yesterday...straight nonsense.

If anything, he should take a little bit of time off, not 10 months, but something close to it. Maybe he'll be fine living off of the check from the Pacquiao fight, besides, he's a family man, so I highly doubt that he dicked away the whole check in 10 months.

I think Bradley's napoleon complex may have served him up a dish of "Oh shit, what just happened?" with a side of "Keep up the tough man nonsense, no need to look like a punk now".

Opponents and their reaction to your fight plan usually differs, but who knows how Ruslan would've conducted himself, had Bradley fought a "stick & move" type fight. Even when Bradley was exchanging, getting the worst of it, refusing to go down, and fighting back at some of the oddest times, I'm sure Provodnikov was mindfucked and thinking, "What in the hell is going on here? He's supposed to be dead by now."

Some opponents get frustrated when you fight a poised fight and they aren't able to touch you...they often think that you're running or afraid to exchange (which is their game). Some guys even get frustrated when they've given you the whole kit & kaboodle, and you're still standing there.


i agree with this whole post.

i'll just add...freddie's talk prior about tim running must have struck a nerve. tim did say something about blasting ruslan out of there too... i think they (tim/joel) are going to look at this and agree that it has to be all about smarter boxing from here on out.

for the record...tim proved to be amazing imo. if you go back and look at the times he was hurt...he didn't run or hold...he stood in the pocket and in some instances got the better of the exchanges. except for the last round, he never let ruslan get the follow up shot to get him out of there. i believe a lot of that had to do with tim's instincts and training as a fighter. he was on auto pilot and almost did everything right. i know the comparison has been made to holyfield....but there is also something about him that reminds me of marvin hagler. he's a workman and has zero quit in him. he just doesn't pac the punch or chin that both hagler and holyfield had. he's top 5 of my favorite fighters at the moment.
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:34 PM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Mar 18 2013, 01:51 PM) *
I cringed several times during this fight. I Cant believe Bradley finished it. It was one of the most brutal fights I've ever seen. Tim Bradley left a bit of himself in the ring. His wife and mother may be the ones who tell him its quitin' time. It was that bad. I can absolutely see him calling it quits. The post fight interview said enough for me. I think this beating was worse than the one Cotto took against Margarito. Cotto could walk in a straight line after the fight. Bradley was walking crooked after that fight. I was happy to see him win, but felt bad at the cost of the win.


my thoughts exactly.
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:44 PM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Mar 18 2013, 02:37 PM) *
However,

I have to agree with CShel and some others. Isn't the potential for quitting after one tough fight a little premature? Bradley shocked us by giving us a near classic type of brawl. I don't think he should quit after one fight. These are the kind of fights that are going to resurrect HBO's dying fan and subscription base. The public wants wars like this. I know that there's a flip-side that wars shorten careers, but its almost the kind of thing we need in our sport to get people interested in boxing and talking about boxing,away from their MMA mindsets. Bradley hasn't been a household name to do that. However, now people are talking more about the great fight they saw with the "Russian Rocky" instead of putting Tim in a negative light as the guy who got this huge Christmas gift against Pacquiao in an undeserved split decision win.

Give him at least six month off and lets see what happens for his future plans. It would be more realistic to assess this at that time. Holyfield fought for decades, alternating between wars with smaller fighters, and with the STRONG exception of the Bowe Trillogy. had some boring fights against bigger taller guys. (Lewis I and II) Tim reminds me of a mini Holyfield in looks, fighting spirit, and now we know he can brawl with heart or box very well. Holyfield could be stunned badly when he brawled against unknowns i,e (Bert Cooper) I wonder if Tim's people took the big Russian too lightly? Did Bradley not train as well as he would have, if this had been a big name fighter? One way or the other, he will learn from this in a big way, but needs a solid six months to a year break.

Jack


i disagree. i say fuck hbo and their ratings. not all fans want to see guys pounce on each other like that. it's brutal. i have mixed feelings about the fight to be honest. mma doesn't have shit to do with boxing and vice versa. i'd like to see tim get back to what got him to the top.

realistically, grueling matches can lead to death or physical/mental damage that cannot be undone. these guys have lives to live after boxing. the fans do not truly appreciate what these guys give.
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:46 PM
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QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 03:11 PM) *
I may skip the Rios Alvarado fight. I could see those two trying to out do the Bradley scrap. Not good.


good call. i'm going to pray for them though. seriously.
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post Mar 18 2013, 05:49 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Mar 18 2013, 03:18 PM) *
The thing with rios alvarado was that they were talking about making a bad ass fight, plus going in I knew those guys couldn't fight any other way that's why I felt the commentary team was way over the top and the fight was a little overhyped

Bradley COULD have definitely fought an easier fight but let it all hang out because he wanted to get in there and trade! That's what made it so incredible, especially seeing Bradley basically knocked out on his feet still firing away and taking shots.

Roach even said it was one of the best fights he's ever seen.


the saving grace for tim bradley is that he can come back and box to stay out of harms way...ruslan only fights one way. he had to walk through a shit storm to get to the finish line of that fight too. bradley was wobbly...but ruslans face told the story. he can't fight any other way...i think he's been diminished in this fight as well. i'd like to see them both take a long break.


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post Mar 18 2013, 05:57 PM
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QUOTE (scdrking2 @ Mar 18 2013, 04:25 PM) *
You are correct, but I watched the fight again on Sunday and it reminded me of the fight scene in the movie Cool Hand Luke. All the prisoners start of cheering and Luke is getting whipped, but he refuses to quit. Keeps getting up. Keeps swinging. The person fighting him doesnt want to fight him anymore and the other inmates kinda just start walking off saying someone needs to stop this.

As a Mayweather fan, folks may take this the wrong way, but Freddie Roach is going to get his fighters in the same medical condition he is in later in life. I dont hate Freddie or anything, but with all the challenges he has medically, he should really know better. Which to a degree he must as to why he openly threatened to stop the fight even though Bradley had already made visits to the hurt locker. Even though Bradley won the fight, I bet Diaz in the future stops any similar fight without hesitation.

I wonder how the increase in sports media is impacting our view (specifically mine) of the topic of sports injuries. We see much more of their lives through exposes like 30 for 30, 24/7, Real Sports etc. And we see more of the guys we rooted for after their career now. You have some guys who will live lives that will make you proud you cheered for them. Guys like a George Foreman (although since I am in my late 30's, his career arc was before my time) who seems to be living a more full life post career than during, although I know that came with quite a few twists and turns. Then we see those who seem to have been decimated by their career. Back day, how many people saw or knew how guys like Mike Webster or Al Toon were suffering from concussions/brain injuries. Knowing that we will see more of them post career due to increased demand for sports media content and almost endless outlets (radio, satellite, blogs, cable, over the air, forums, websites etc). Just wonder if seeing more of the impact of the game will change our consuming habits.

Sorry for droning on like some mother hen. I just need to get the fuck over it.


it's one thing watching it on tv. it's another when u know and see these guys in real life. the damage they suffered for the entertainment of others and a check is definitely not worth it. anyone who has ever seen or met bobby chacon will agree with me on this. it turns my stomach to see some of these guys beating on each other like this. while i admire their courage and accomplishments...sometimes they have to be saved from themselves.
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post Mar 18 2013, 06:00 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Mar 18 2013, 04:27 PM) *
PS: Why didn't Timmy's face look like this after the Pacquaio fight, since so many "devastating" flurries landed on Pac's behalf? Weird, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


still waiting on a pactard to answer that one.
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post Mar 18 2013, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Mar 18 2013, 01:59 PM) *
really? where did u hear that???

Lampley announced it after he kept mentioning that there was no one at the Home Depot center. It is a fight that will be overseas. They are broadcasting it.

As far as Timmy's face not being busted up after he fought Pacman, it is because Pac's punches were so fast and hard that Timmy's face didn't have time to bruise.
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post Mar 18 2013, 06:26 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 18 2013, 06:23 PM) *
Lampley announced it after he kept mentioning that there was no one at the Home Depot center. It is a fight that will be overseas. They are broadcasting it.

As far as Timmy's face not being busted up after he fought Pacman, it is because Pac's punches were so fast and hard that Timmy's face didn't have time to bruise.


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) that's some funny shit.
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