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Gambit808
post Apr 1 2013, 12:15 PM
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It's hard to say if GGG would take the bait for fighting at 168lbs. for the biggest payday and fight of his career at this point, I think his time for big fights will start late this year into next year, but for now I think their gonna keep building this guy up to be a significant draw which right now he is not.

I think a while ago Sergio already made it clear that he'd fight Ward around 154-160lbs. catch-weight, which Ward himself already made it clear that he'd only go down that far if a fight with Mayweather was Possible.

Me I would like the idea of Ward-Chavez Jr. (as Cshels put it) it reminds me too of a Taylor-Chavez Sr. in a way. Of coarse if Chavez Jr. still takes training lightly, then who's to say that he's ready for anyone between 160lbs. and 168lbs.. I still believe if Chavez trained like a champion, rather than a bum, He'd still be champion. Not sure if I like the idea of him staying with roach though but we'll see what happens.
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post Apr 1 2013, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (Gambit808 @ Apr 1 2013, 01:15 PM) *
It's hard to say if GGG would take the bait for fighting at 168lbs. for the biggest payday and fight of his career at this point, I think his time for big fights will start late this year into next year, but for now I think their gonna keep building this guy up to be a significant draw which right now he is not.

I think a while ago Sergio already made it clear that he'd fight Ward around 154-160lbs. catch-weight, which Ward himself already made it clear that he'd only go down that far if a fight with Mayweather was Possible.

Me I would like the idea of Ward-Chavez Jr. (as Cshels put it) it reminds me too of a Taylor-Chavez Sr. in a way. Of coarse if Chavez Jr. still takes training lightly, then who's to say that he's ready for anyone between 160lbs. and 168lbs.. I still believe if Chavez trained like a champion, rather than a bum, He'd still be champion. Not sure if I like the idea of him staying with roach though but we'll see what happens.

Good points!

IF Chavez wants to stay at 160 (which he is finding hard to make nowadays), then he can still make money off of Sergio's leftovers...Macklin and Barker. In fact, he probably make more than Sergio made in those fights.

168 is gonna be a good weight for him. That way, the time that he'd usually spend losing those last 8 lbs, can be put into an actual fight plan. He should be moved carefully at 168 (until he runs into Ward), because those dudes can punch. Lol
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post Apr 1 2013, 12:46 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 1 2013, 05:12 AM) *
So....anything that Floyd does, you praise it and make party plans for it. Now that Ward wants to make some type of money and get the recognition that he truly deserves, it's "bullshit"?!

Fuck Sergio and GGG...neither of those guys truly want to rumble with Ward. I believe we saw it in both of their recent fights, they cant and wont deal with a boxer, that's as physical as Ward.

This fight has "money" and "exposure" written all over it...and it also has "Chavez Sr. vs Taylor" written all over it. If Ward and Mayweather are on the same level skill-wise, then he should be given that same type of respect for fighting whoever, especially if guys are on Floyd's nuts about fighting Guerrero. One would have to agree that this fight sounds better than Ward vs Pavlik.


If anything, this fight should keep him there in the meantime. It seems like LHW is starting to get itself back together, so it should be good and ready for him when he moves up. There needs to be a some type of "big" fight waiting for him when he moves up, or it will be the same for him, as it was at 168.


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I think that Arum will try to sabotage this one. He'll let Julio get some exposure off of Ward's name (translation: make the public think that Julio is still a good enough threat to face a good boxer), then he'll do away with the fight.

What happened in the 12th round of the Martinez fight, goes to show the public that no matter how much a fighter is in control when fighting Julio, they have to fight for the WHOLE 36 minutes. If Martinez can fall victim to a late rally, then surely Arum will sell it to the public as if Ward can too.


I am actually commending Ward for finally realizing that he should be capitalizing on his skill set. I am glad he is waking up and realizing that there is a bunch of money to be made and checks to be signed, I am all for that and Floyd has nothing to do with this. Now Floyd did say Andre should be making more money and he is right. But I do not want to see him beat the shit out of JCC Jr. It would be a mismatch on the highest scale, if anything either he should move up or do catch weights at 164 and handle those people willing to meet him there. JCC Jr. is a joke of a fighter and he does not deserve to get in the ring with a great skilled boxer like Ward. I think he can find a bigger name than JCC Jr. But again he is a name and that what he needs to get him at super stardom. But since you did bring up Floyd, he fought Oscar someone that actually had a chance to beat Mayweather so it was a risk, I do not see how JCC Jr. is a risk. But time will tell and again JCC Jr. does have that one punch power. SO who knows what can happen. What challenge could JCC Jr. bring Ward?
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post Apr 1 2013, 12:58 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 1 2013, 01:46 PM) *
I am actually commending Ward for finally realizing that he should be capitalizing on his skill set. I am glad he is waking up and realizing that there is a bunch of money to be made and checks to be signed, I am all for that and Floyd has nothing to do with this. Now Floyd did say Andre should be making more money and he is right. But I do not want to see him beat the shit out of JCC Jr. It would be a mismatch on the highest scale, if anything either he should move up or do catch weights at 164 and handle those people willing to meet him there. JCC Jr. is a joke of a fighter and he does not deserve to get in the ring with a great skilled boxer like Ward. I think he can find a bigger name than JCC Jr. But again he is a name and that what he needs to get him at super stardom. But since you did bring up Floyd, he fought Oscar someone that actually had a chance to beat Mayweather so it was a risk, I do not see how JCC Jr. is a risk. But time will tell and again JCC Jr. does have that one punch power. SO who knows what can happen. What challenge could JCC Jr. bring Ward?

Julio is a fighter with a name, and the ability to outlast you, if you let him. Funny how everyone thought he was a bum before facing Martinez, and he almost stopped Martinez in the 12th. What happened in that round, can be used to promote this fight on an "anything can happen" basis.

What challenge did Gatti bring Floyd? None, but that performance of his, did him favors in the long run. What challenge did Diaz bring Pacquiao? None, but Manny's performance along with winning a title in another division, did favors for him. What challenge did Provodnikov bring Bradley (on paper)? None, but their performances did them both favors. What challenge did Maidana bring Alexander? None, but Devon's performance got him back in the running. What challenge did Lopez bring Ortiz (on paper)? None, but Lopez made a name for himself in that fight. What challenge did Garcia bring Khan (on paper)? None, but Garcia made a name for himself in that fight.

I may have given a few bad examples, but you surely get my point because you already mentioned it. The underlying benefits of these fights, aren't always at the forefront, but that's a fighter's main goal in the sport, make a name for themselves, become champion, etc..which all leads to more MONEY. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
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post Apr 1 2013, 02:12 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Mar 31 2013, 09:20 PM) *
http://www.boxingscene.com/andre-ward-eyes...showdown--63923

So he does want a pay day and he does want to be a PPV star and he wants recognition. I guess being at the MGM for the Rios and Alvarado fight made him realize that maybe the "little man" was right. He should be getting paid way more than he is and he should be getting big arenas outside of Oak Town. How is Guerrero who is nothing compared to Ward skill wise and people he has fought getting the biggest pay day of his career and getting big time exposure versus Ward? The questions have to be running through Andre's head. Not only that but how is a bum like Chavez Jr. bringing in more bank then an Olympic Gold winner?

As far as the fight goes it is bullshit on its highest level. If he can call JCC Jr. out he better call out Sergio or GGG. Either Ward goes up to Light Heavy weight or he needs to takes fights at a 164 pound catch weight to get some popular names under his belt. Plus his management team is not helping. He needs an image, not so much a asshole one but something that will get the fans asses at his fights. I would not pay to see this fight because JCC Jr. skill is not even close enough to handle Ward now he does have a punchers chance but that is it.


it all comes in time....but he realizes now that closed mouths don't get fed. that's why robert is in the situation he is now. ask and you shall receive. while i don't believe ward/chavez will be competitive...there are plenty of chavez backers who believe chavez would have a chance against a boring fighter like ward. the real fight fans know better....but the fighter fans will drive the numbers and get ward paid.

chavez is in his position because his name is julio cesar chavez jr....and he can fight some.
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post Apr 1 2013, 04:36 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 1 2013, 10:58 AM) *
Julio is a fighter with a name, and the ability to outlast you, if you let him. Funny how everyone thought he was a bum before facing Martinez, and he almost stopped Martinez in the 12th. What happened in that round, can be used to promote this fight on an "anything can happen" basis.

What challenge did Gatti bring Floyd? None, but that performance of his, did him favors in the long run. What challenge did Diaz bring Pacquiao? None, but Manny's performance along with winning a title in another division, did favors for him. What challenge did Provodnikov bring Bradley (on paper)? None, but their performances did them both favors. What challenge did Maidana bring Alexander? None, but Devon's performance got him back in the running. What challenge did Lopez bring Ortiz (on paper)? None, but Lopez made a name for himself in that fight. What challenge did Garcia bring Khan (on paper)? None, but Garcia made a name for himself in that fight.

I may have given a few bad examples, but you surely get my point because you already mentioned it. The underlying benefits of these fights, aren't always at the forefront, but that's a fighter's main goal in the sport, make a name for themselves, become champion, etc..which all leads to more MONEY. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)


We are both in agreement then, he waxes the shit out of Julio and becomes the man that he should be. I just don't like the fact that it is Julio getting another big payday. Gatti vs. Floyd was like watching someone beat the shit out of a new born puppy, merciless. I get your point. I just do not think Julio deserves another big pay day. As far as his ass kicking he took against Martinez, the 12th round was luck but made for good drama.

You just gave them their PPV view name, "Anything can Happen!" and the only clip that they will show will be from the 12th round against the SM fight. go figure,
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post Apr 1 2013, 07:02 PM
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Some truly funny comments on here. JCC Jr. having to leave the country, Ward being forced to fight a bull first and a few others comments. Good stuff.

Every boxer deserves respect, but in the context of upper level pro. boxing, JCC Jr is a bum.

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post Apr 1 2013, 07:14 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 1 2013, 05:36 PM) *
We are both in agreement then, he waxes the shit out of Julio and becomes the man that he should be. I just don't like the fact that it is Julio getting another big payday. Gatti vs. Floyd was like watching someone beat the shit out of a new born puppy, merciless. I get your point. I just do not think Julio deserves another big pay day. As far as his ass kicking he took against Martinez, the 12th round was luck but made for good drama.

You just gave them their PPV view name, "Anything can Happen!" and the only clip that they will show will be from the 12th round against the SM fight. go figure,

Sometimes you have to tell me when we're in agreement, because I tend to get carried away for no reason. LOL

Trust me, I have no problem with Julio getting another big payday, and so on. If we had to endure Margarito getting more paydays after what he pulled, then Julio is an angel in that comparison.

I'd be hard pressed to say that the 12th round of Martinez/Chavez was luck. It was combination of Julio knowing that he had to do something quick, coupled by Sergio's mistake of constantly backing straight after exchanges.

That 12th round did more favors for Julio, than a knockout would've done. At this point, he ALMOST stopped a guy who was dominating him, and "almost" in those types of situations, goes a long way in boxing. Imagine if Baldomir had caught Floyd with something in the 12th round of their fight. That's all Baldomir would've had to do to in his career, and it would've taken the edge off of that tactical whoopin' that he took.
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post Apr 1 2013, 07:57 PM
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QUOTE (Cheesey1 @ Apr 1 2013, 07:02 PM) *
Some truly funny comments on here. JCC Jr. having to leave the country, Ward being forced to fight a bull first and a few others comments. Good stuff.

Every boxer deserves respect, but in the context of upper level pro. boxing, JCC Jr is a bum.


totally disagree with that. jr is world class and proved that when he put martinez on his ass in the 12th.
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post Apr 1 2013, 08:07 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 1 2013, 08:57 PM) *
totally disagree with that. jr is world class and proved that when he put martinez on his ass in the 12th.

To me, that was simply the smaller, faster guy not sticking to his plan and the bigger guy catching him. Mistake by Martinez, not evidence of ability by Chavez Jr. Agree to disagree.
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