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neophyte7
post Apr 7 2013, 07:36 AM
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According to Oscar Floyd is afraid of Saul Alvarez... Is Oscar selling tickets for Saul and Trout or is he serious?
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post Apr 9 2013, 12:36 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 8 2013, 07:02 PM) *
This is true but he's also trying to promote the fight by stirring up controversy, DLH is not stupid---he knows that Floyd beats Canelo rather easily but as a Promoter it is his job to promote his fighters thus garnering the higher PPV numbers by fanning the flames of controversy to get the interest going.

It would be funny as crap if Canelo gets totally starched by Trout in light of this comment by DLH, how foolish would he look then??


Agreed. DLH is acting as promoter and invoking the "Floyd is scared" mantra, perfected by Arum to create a buzz for his fighter. But I'll add (as others have suggested) that there is certainly no love lost between DLH and FM. There is a very real jealousy and dislike for Mayweather on the part of Oscar that he finds difficult to hide at times. Oscar made a career as "the golden boy", carrying the burden of a 'perfect' persona -- a good and wholesome guy; while his real life vices and strong urges threatened to topple his kingdom. In essence, he couldn't do what he wanted to do. He felt shackled and stifled. And now, Mayweather has out earned and over-shadowed him, while more or less doing whatever he wants to. That rankles Oscar to no end.

On Floyd's part, his dislike of Oscar goes back to Top Rank, and the disparity of treatment by Arum of both men. Floyd has always disliked Oscar for being duplicitous. If you ask Floyd, he'll tell you Oscar is a fake. Because the truth is, nearly everyone in boxing knew what Oscar's life outside the ring was like. Frankly it resembled Floyd's, but with even more excess, plus drugs and drinking. Everyone knew. And everyone (Arum, HBO, Media) helped cover it up. And that rankled Floyd to no end.

QUOTE (KOpower @ Apr 8 2013, 07:31 PM) *
You are just flat out wrong. If you think that Canelo didn't help Floyd's PPV numbers, you are out of your mind. Did Canelo MAKE Floyd's event? Hell no, but Canelo absolutely made it a bigger event and he absolutely brought PPV dollars to the table.

That isn't even the point. The fact is that Canelo is easily Floyd's biggest fight out there (Manny fight isn't possible anymore) and Canelo was willing to give Floyd the Trout fight on his undercard. That is a huge fight, but Floyd declined. Why? I can't think of a real good reason for him to decline that fight.


You have a great misunderstanding of the how's, why's, and when's of PPV. But I think Cshel has done a great job in addressing some of it. I'll simply add that 1. Networks are big on statistics. They don't do things for kicks and giggles. 2. PPV is a money-making ordeal. It's not about exposure for a fighter. Its not about supposition. It's about proven numbers. 3. PPV requires millions in advertising, fees, etc., which the network is partly responsible for. 4. Networks are not in the business of losing money, so if it doesn't make dollars, then it doesn't make sense to do. This is why Canelo has yet to have a PPV of his own. He is not ready. He has yet to have a breakout performance when he had the stage and the casual fans on the undercard of FM's ticket. No one is clamoring to PAY to VIEW this kid. Not yet. The undercard of a PPV star is where you can make your mark towards becoming a star within your own right. That was his time to shine. And obviously, the statistics collected by the networks show that his star isn't bright enough to make him PPV worthy. Not yet.

I think it's reckless to hear someone suggest that an unproven and up and coming young star is somehow responsible for the PPV numbers of a proven, PPV record-holder. It's just madness. Stop listening to Dan Rafael. He's a shill and a hack and writes to his emotions.

Even a Miguel Cotto (and Shane Mosely) proven stars (significantly more popular with the casual, PPV buying fan) don't register much in terms of PPV numbers on a Mayeather card, much less Canelo Alvarez...? SMH

Networks are not emotional or subjective. It's business. Therefore it's all about the numbers. If Canelo Alvarez was capable of putting up (like Chavez Jr.) a few hundred-thousand buys on his own...he would have headlined his own PPV, two fights ago.
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QUOTE (VJones @ Apr 9 2013, 01:36 PM) *
Agreed. DLH is acting as promoter and invoking the "Floyd is scared" mantra, perfected by Arum to create a buzz for his fighter. But I'll add (as others have suggested) that there is certainly no love lost between DLH and FM. There is a very real jealousy and dislike for Mayweather on the part of Oscar that he finds difficult to hide at times. Oscar made a career as "the golden boy", carrying the burden of a 'perfect' persona -- a good and wholesome guy; while his real life vices and strong urges threatened to topple his kingdom. In essence, he couldn't do what he wanted to do. He felt shackled and stifled. And now, Mayweather has out earned and over-shadowed him, while more or less doing whatever he wants to. That rankles Oscar to no end.

On Floyd's part, his dislike of Oscar goes back to Top Rank, and the disparity of treatment by Arum of both men. Floyd has always disliked Oscar for being duplicitous. If you ask Floyd, he'll tell you Oscar is a fake. Because the truth is, nearly everyone in boxing knew what Oscar's life outside the ring was like. Frankly it resembled Floyd's, but with even more excess, plus drugs and drinking. Everyone knew. And everyone (Arum, HBO, Media) helped cover it up. And that rankled Floyd to no end.



You have a great misunderstanding of the how's, why's, and when's of PPV. But I think Cshel has done a great job in addressing some of it. I'll simply add that 1. Networks are big on statistics. They don't do things for kicks and giggles. 2. PPV is a money-making ordeal. It's not about exposure for a fighter. Its not about supposition. It's about proven numbers. 3. PPV requires millions in advertising, fees, etc., which the network is partly responsible for. 4. Networks are not in the business of losing money, so if it doesn't make dollars, then it doesn't make sense to do. This is why Canelo has yet to have a PPV of his own. He is not ready. He has yet to have a breakout performance when he had the stage and the casual fans on the undercard of FM's ticket. No one is clamoring to PAY to VIEW this kid. Not yet. The undercard of a PPV star is where you can make your mark towards becoming a star within your own right. That was his time to shine. And obviously, the statistics collected by the networks show that his star isn't bright enough to make him PPV worthy. Not yet.

I think it's reckless to hear someone suggest that an unproven and up and coming young star is somehow responsible for the PPV numbers of a proven, PPV record-holder. It's just madness. Stop listening to Dan Rafael. He's a shill and a hack and writes to his emotions.

Even a Miguel Cotto (and Shane Mosely) proven stars (significantly more popular with the casual, PPV buying fan) don't register much in terms of PPV numbers on a Mayeather card, much less Canelo Alvarez...? SMH

Networks are not emotional or subjective. It's business. Therefore it's all about the numbers. If Canelo Alvarez was capable of putting up (like Chavez Jr.) a few hundred-thousand buys on his own...he would have headlined his own PPV, two fights ago.



Canelo was going to fight on PPV this past summer, but the fight with Williams didn't go through and the fight with Kirkland didn't go through. That left Canelo with Ortiz, but then Ortiz lost. All of those fights were going to be PPV....but the opponent just didn't handle business or got injured.

I disagree with you about a fighter like Canelo continuing to fight on the Mayweather's undercard. That is not how you go about building your reputation. Canelo vs Trout is not undercard material and at this point Canelo is not an undercard fighter. It's that simple. Canelo was ok with fighting his biggest fight on Floyd's undercard if a guarantee was in place (provided both fighters won), but Floyd didn't want to commit. At that point there is no reason for Canelo to fight on a Floyd Mayweather PPV event. I don't see why that is so unreasonable to so many on this board.

I have no problem with Floyd not wanting to fight Canelo this fall. IMO Floyd is just a once a year fighter. I don't see him fighting in the fall. If he does, I think he faces Berto, Alexander, or even a rematch with Judah if Judah beats Garcia. I don't think Floyd has the desire to be a consistent fighter anymore and THAT is why he doesn't want to lock himself in.
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- neophyte7   DELAHOYA SAYS MAYWEATHER AFRAID OF ALVAREZ   Apr 7 2013, 07:36 AM
- - mgrover   he's always been bitter about anyone who beat ...   Apr 7 2013, 08:00 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 7 2013, 09:00 AM) he...   Apr 7 2013, 09:47 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 7 2013, 08:00 AM) he...   Apr 8 2013, 07:02 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 7 2013, 09:00 AM) he...   Apr 7 2013, 08:45 AM
- - mitukczuk   I am TIRED of Oscar's shit. I actually wanted ...   Apr 7 2013, 08:48 AM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='mitukczuk' date='Apr 7 20...   Apr 7 2013, 08:53 AM
- - scdrking2   ODH is just doing his job. These next 6 PBF fight...   Apr 7 2013, 09:48 AM
- - leonthegee   Oscars doing his job as a promoter. Hes using Floy...   Apr 7 2013, 10:01 AM
|- - Jovi   QUOTE (leonthegee @ Apr 7 2013, 11:01 AM)...   Apr 7 2013, 10:18 AM
- - bnoles4life   Pretty simple, if you ask me. He basically dislik...   Apr 7 2013, 10:50 AM
|- - leonthegee   QUOTE (bnoles4life @ Apr 7 2013, 07:50 AM...   Apr 7 2013, 10:59 AM
- - Franchize   Watch Cotto vs Mayweather. De La Hoya is quoted by...   Apr 7 2013, 12:29 PM
- - Dolimite   In the words of the late great Rick James: Cocaine...   Apr 7 2013, 04:25 PM
- - daprofessor   floyd ain't stupid....he knows about the canel...   Apr 7 2013, 04:41 PM
- - KOpower   Floyd isn't scared of Canelo, but he clearly d...   Apr 7 2013, 09:46 PM
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