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neophyte7
post Apr 7 2013, 07:36 AM
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According to Oscar Floyd is afraid of Saul Alvarez... Is Oscar selling tickets for Saul and Trout or is he serious?
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post Apr 10 2013, 02:46 AM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Apr 9 2013, 09:44 PM) *
Canelo was going to fight on PPV this past summer, but the fight with Williams didn't go through and the fight with Kirkland didn't go through. That left Canelo with Ortiz, but then Ortiz lost. All of those fights were going to be PPV....but the opponent just didn't handle business or got injured.

I disagree with you about a fighter like Canelo continuing to fight on the Mayweather's undercard. That is not how you go about building your reputation. Canelo vs Trout is not undercard material and at this point Canelo is not an undercard fighter. It's that simple. Canelo was ok with fighting his biggest fight on Floyd's undercard if a guarantee was in place (provided both fighters won), but Floyd didn't want to commit. At that point there is no reason for Canelo to fight on a Floyd Mayweather PPV event. I don't see why that is so unreasonable to so many on this board.

I have no problem with Floyd not wanting to fight Canelo this fall. IMO Floyd is just a once a year fighter. I don't see him fighting in the fall. If he does, I think he faces Berto, Alexander, or even a rematch with Judah if Judah beats Garcia. I don't think Floyd has the desire to be a consistent fighter anymore and THAT is why he doesn't want to lock himself in.


KO, I wasn't suggesting that Canelo continue to stay on Floyd's undercard per se. It really is up to his promoter to decide their best strategy for his career. What I mentioned was his failed opportunity to have what one would call a "breakout performance" when he twice had the platform on Floyd's undercard. Something that would attract casual American fans (ie a knockout or complete dominance or supreme skill or even charisma or...how about a command of the English language.) He did/had none of that. And thus, any network worth their salt is not going to lose money, just to give this kid a PPV, so he can say he had one. Because as I stated, the only purpose of a PPV is PROFIT.

Btw, it is NOT factual that fights with Williams, Kirkland, and Ortiz would have been PPV. They were being considered. And I can promise you that the Kirkland fight would not have been a PPV fight. And the Williams fight more than likely would not have met the muster either. Ortiz however...a good possibility. And why? Because Ortiz danced with FM (on PPV) and even in a humiliating defeat became all the more popular by his mere presence in the ring with the biggest PPV draw, along with all of the mainstream media attention that came with it. In other words, he was exposed to a broader market of buyers (not to be confused with viewers)...and some of which became fans and some haters and some just now know his name.

Casual fans have to remember you and know you by name to 'buy' into you. Canelo hasn't gained that appeal with American fans. But GBP is doing their best to try and get him there...including having him learn English.

Make no mistake, Ortiz would have been the A-side of that PPV. It's simply about numbers. Ask yourself, would ABC network put Canelo on Dancing With The Stars as they've done with Victor? I'll answer. Heck no! Who is he? With the exception of hardcore boxing fans in America, who the heck is Canelo? But guess what, if I said to my circle (of mostly casual fans): "Remember the red-headed Mexican on Floyd Mayweather's undercard, who fought Shane Mosley?" Then some of them would remember him. Because he was on Floyd's undercard. No other reason, because Canelo himself did nothing memorable (to a casual boxing fan) in that fight.

I think the very way in which you perceive the business of PPV and how/why fights are made, is why many of us are taking issue with your statements. You seem to believe for instance that Canelo makes his own decisions. Not the case. GBP is his promotional unit. They are making the decisions for Canelo. And Golden Boy Promotions is who wants Canelo on Floyd's undercard...not Team Mayweather. Why? Because its beneficial to Canelo's career. It's the big leagues and an opportunity for him to steal the show with a breakout performance. Team Mayweather would certainly enjoy having a rising star and another great fight on the card...but 1. Floyd's money is guaranteed and 2. He's already proven he can do over a million PPVs, so what is the great benefit there?

So the notion of Canelo "allowing" his fight to be on Mayweather's undercard...as if he's doing Floyd a favor is absurd. But Canelo is 22 years old, pampered, and somewhat delusional...so he'll learn. Maybe the hard way. Because I can also promise you this...without fighting Floyd Mayweather, he'll never climb to Floyd's level of popularity or earnings...anymore than Floyd or Manny would have without Oscar.

It is also NOT factual that an agreement was drawn or that it stated "in the case of both fighters winning". Team Mayweather will definitely take issue with that. The only people spinning that tale AFTER some minor backlash, was Oscar, Canelo's Manager, and Dan Rafael.

Note: if you read an "article" (especially on the internet) and it doesn't bother to have a quote from BOTH sides and its unsourced; you can rest assured it's some hackish, non-journalistic, foolishness. A fact-based article requires all sides of the story. Most of what you're reading online is not FACT...it's opinion...and worse, propaganda. Boxing is so dirty...
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- neophyte7   DELAHOYA SAYS MAYWEATHER AFRAID OF ALVAREZ   Apr 7 2013, 07:36 AM
- - mgrover   he's always been bitter about anyone who beat ...   Apr 7 2013, 08:00 AM
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|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 7 2013, 08:00 AM) he...   Apr 8 2013, 07:02 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 7 2013, 09:00 AM) he...   Apr 7 2013, 08:45 AM
- - mitukczuk   I am TIRED of Oscar's shit. I actually wanted ...   Apr 7 2013, 08:48 AM
- - neophyte7   [quote name='mitukczuk' date='Apr 7 20...   Apr 7 2013, 08:53 AM
- - scdrking2   ODH is just doing his job. These next 6 PBF fight...   Apr 7 2013, 09:48 AM
- - leonthegee   Oscars doing his job as a promoter. Hes using Floy...   Apr 7 2013, 10:01 AM
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- - bnoles4life   Pretty simple, if you ask me. He basically dislik...   Apr 7 2013, 10:50 AM
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- - daprofessor   floyd ain't stupid....he knows about the canel...   Apr 7 2013, 04:41 PM
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