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post Apr 7 2013, 07:36 AM
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According to Oscar Floyd is afraid of Saul Alvarez... Is Oscar selling tickets for Saul and Trout or is he serious?
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post Apr 10 2013, 12:56 AM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Apr 9 2013, 10:29 PM) *
Come on, he was all set to fight Paul Williams. He was all set to fight Kirkland. He was all set to fight Ortiz. You know it and I know it so why do you have to make stuff up? Canelo wasn't riding off of anyone's name there...he was going to fight all 3 on a PPV event but through no fault of his own the fights all fell through. Honestly, if you want to deny and debate that FACT, is it really worth talking to you?

What Canelo wanted was pretty simple. He fought on Floyd's last 2 PPV cards in hopes that it would pave the way for a fight against Mayweather in the future. Well Mayweather's team obviously wanted Canelo-Trout on the undercard (and for good reason) so they dangled the possible fight with Mayweather in front of him n hopes that Canelo would accept. Canelo said yes...but instead of HOPING that Mayweather would eventually agree, Canelo wanted in writing. Mayweather declined so Canelo took the Trout fight and made his own event.

There is nothing wrong with either side, so where is the argument from Mayweather fans coming from?

And like I said before, every published report says that the deal was Canelo v Mayweather IF Canelo beat Trout. Period. Like I said, find me one shred of evidence that says otherwise and I will do further research. You have none because you know that was the way it went down. For some really, REALLY odd reason you don't want to give that talking point up. It's sort of weird...

The argument isn't from "mayweather fans" its from boxing fans. I could care less if they fought on separate cards or the same card. The argument is Canelo, in terms of real boxing fans, is absolutely nobody to be demanding a mayweather fight. He has fought no one, he has done nothing, his belt is an accessory, a gift. Yes fights fell through with two decent 154 pounders who had not looked good at all in their passed 2-3 fights, but does that warrant him to go down to lower divisions to just pad Gus already padded record? What about molina? Lara? Delvin? Bundrage? Instead he has his sights set on the ortiz lopez winner!?! Two guys who not too long ago were Jr welterweights. He was a joke before this fight got signed, and even Mexican fans like me know it. At least jcc Jr took his schooling like a man and showed some grit.

Btw I can bet money that the other two times Canelo was on mayweathers cards it was because of golden boys agenda not because of the mayweather camp (Wtf was that all about). He would get way more exposure on cards like that than a normal hbo showcase back then.
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post Apr 10 2013, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 10 2013, 01:56 AM) *
The argument isn't from "mayweather fans" its from boxing fans. I could care less if they fought on separate cards or the same card. The argument is Canelo, in terms of real boxing fans, is absolutely nobody to be demanding a mayweather fight. He has fought no one, he has done nothing, his belt is an accessory, a gift. Yes fights fell through with two decent 154 pounders who had not looked good at all in their passed 2-3 fights, but does that warrant him to go down to lower divisions to just pad Gus already padded record? What about molina? Lara? Delvin? Bundrage? Instead he has his sights set on the ortiz lopez winner!?! Two guys who not too long ago were Jr welterweights. He was a joke before this fight got signed, and even Mexican fans like me know it. At least jcc Jr took his schooling like a man and showed some grit.

Btw I can bet money that the other two times Canelo was on mayweathers cards it was because of golden boys agenda not because of the mayweather camp (Wtf was that all about). He would get way more exposure on cards like that than a normal hbo showcase back then.


Canelo isn't demanding anything. Team Mayweather/GBP asked Canelo if he wanted to fight on Mayweather's undercard. Canelo said he would if Floyd signed an agreement. Floyd denied so Canelo made his own event. I don't see what it so unreasonable about that. Mayweather wanted Canelo on the undercard...Canelo made a counter-offer and Mayweather declined. Why is that such an insult to you? It almost sounds like you believe Canelo should get on his knees for Mayweather, fight on his undercard, and then wipe his mouth and say thank you when everything is over.

Would it really have been that much of a difference if Canelo simply said no with no counter-offer?
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post Apr 10 2013, 06:16 PM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Apr 11 2013, 12:13 AM) *
Canelo isn't demanding anything. Team Mayweather/GBP asked Canelo if he wanted to fight on Mayweather's undercard. Canelo said he would if Floyd signed an agreement. Floyd denied so Canelo made his own event. I don't see what it so unreasonable about that. Mayweather wanted Canelo on the undercard...Canelo made a counter-offer and Mayweather declined. Why is that such an insult to you? It almost sounds like you believe Canelo should get on his knees for Mayweather, fight on his undercard, and then wipe his mouth and say thank you when everything is over.

Would it really have been that much of a difference if Canelo simply said no with no counter-offer?


Its not the fact he made a counter offer, its the fact he made a counter offer like he was some big shot.
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post Apr 10 2013, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 10 2013, 07:16 PM) *
Its not the fact he made a counter offer, its the fact he made a counter offer like he was some big shot.


???

How should Canelo have gone about it then?
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post Apr 11 2013, 03:14 AM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Apr 11 2013, 12:45 AM) *
???

How should Canelo have gone about it then?


He should of asked rather than demanded. Simple scenario when I was younger my dad was the hand that fed me so if I wanted something I could

A: I demand money from him and end up with a punch in the face for being disrespectful

B: I ask for some money, give him a good reason why I should have it, generally I was doing well at school, and this makes him happier.

If Canelo vs Trout was a ppv and he did good numbers and he went to Floyd can we do this, I bring in the money. I just beat the top 154lber and Floyd refused then you can male a case for Floyd ducking him. But at the moment he's averaging a C at best since he's been taking the easier tests and because of that their worth less.
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post Apr 11 2013, 08:43 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 11 2013, 04:14 AM) *
He should of asked rather than demanded. Simple scenario when I was younger my dad was the hand that fed me so if I wanted something I could

A: I demand money from him and end up with a punch in the face for being disrespectful

B: I ask for some money, give him a good reason why I should have it, generally I was doing well at school, and this makes him happier.

If Canelo vs Trout was a ppv and he did good numbers and he went to Floyd can we do this, I bring in the money. I just beat the top 154lber and Floyd refused then you can male a case for Floyd ducking him. But at the moment he's averaging a C at best since he's been taking the easier tests and because of that their worth less.



Floyd is not Canelo's daddy so using you vs your father is NOT a reasonable comparison. It is rather insulting that you would make that comparison. Like I said, Canelo has a bunch of good fights available for him. If Floyd doesn't want to fight...that's fine. Canelo will go on with his career.

And I don't know how valid the "Canelo needs to prove himself in a PPV event" argument is when the guy Floyd hand-picked to fight has even less "star power" than Canelo. And who is Canelo going to fight in the fall if not Canelo? Devon Alexander? Zab Judah? Danny Garcia? Andre Berto? LoL....not a PPV star if you combined the fanbases of all 4 fighters.

I don't think Floyd is scared...but I think he has no intention of fighting in the fall. He is a once a year fighter at this point. My guess is that he fights the winner of Judah-Garcia in the fall if he happens to fight and then we may see Canelo-Floyd in May of 2014 or 2015.
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Apr 11 2013, 06:43 PM) *
Floyd is not Canelo's daddy so using you vs your father is NOT a reasonable comparison. It is rather insulting that you would make that comparison. Like I said, Canelo has a bunch of good fights available for him. If Floyd doesn't want to fight...that's fine. Canelo will go on with his career.

And I don't know how valid the "Canelo needs to prove himself in a PPV event" argument is when the guy Floyd hand-picked to fight has even less "star power" than Canelo. And who is Canelo going to fight in the fall if not Canelo? Devon Alexander? Zab Judah? Danny Garcia? Andre Berto? LoL....not a PPV star if you combined the fanbases of all 4 fighters.

I don't think Floyd is scared...but I think he has no intention of fighting in the fall. He is a once a year fighter at this point. My guess is that he fights the winner of Judah-Garcia in the fall if he happens to fight and then we may see Canelo-Floyd in May of 2014 or 2015.


I hope this is a joke. Cause no one wants to see that. And who is Canelo going to fight in the fall? Surely not another jr. middle weigh. He is going to fight Keith Thurman or the winner of Broner and Paulie. Canelo has not proven himself and he will not do over 300K PPVs for his first fight. Yes he has a lot of Hispanic fans but guess what? They alone can't bring in big PPV numbers or buys. People tune in to see Mayweather and yes there was the ones who watched Saul. They did not turn off the TV after Saul fought.
Mayweather has his options at 154 and at 147. Ortiz wasn't a star and look what happen with that PPV. 1.2 or 1.3 million buys. That is pretty damn good in my opinion. Guerrero fight will do just as well. Plus Saul has to get by Austin, do not count your eggs before they hatch. WHich is what Saul seems to be doing. He is looking over Trout which he should not be doing. So if Saul loses then what?

The way he went about negotiating with Mayweather was not smart. You can not make demands we you have not earned the right to. Do not bite the hands that have fed you and gave you exposure. If Saul was not on any Mayweather cards do you honestly believe that more people would of heard of him? I think not. He should of played his part and waited his turn. I won't fight on your card unless you sign a contract to fight me in September? That is called strong arming someone and you do not strong arm someone unless you are actually holding your own and has proven that you can hold your own show with plenty of success. That is like Jermaine Jackson telling Michael Jackson to be a back up singer because Jermaine sung one verse on an album and all the sudden he should be the man! Yeah right! And before you ask what had Ortiz done to deserve a shot at Mayweather? Doesn't matter, Mayweather picked him and that is all the difference. Ortiz did not pick Mayweather it was the other way around. Saul better hope he puts on a spectacular performance or he will look like the biggest ass in all of boxing. Fuckin diva.
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post Apr 12 2013, 11:34 AM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 12 2013, 07:35 AM) *
The way he went about negotiating with Mayweather was not smart. You can not make demands we you have not earned the right to. Do not bite the hands that have fed you and gave you exposure. If Saul was not on any Mayweather cards do you honestly believe that more people would of heard of him? I think not. He should of played his part and waited his turn. I won't fight on your card unless you sign a contract to fight me in September? That is called strong arming someone and you do not strong arm someone unless you are actually holding your own and has proven that you can hold your own show with plenty of success. That is like Jermaine Jackson telling Michael Jackson to be a back up singer because Jermaine sung one verse on an album and all the sudden he should be the man! Yeah right! And before you ask what had Ortiz done to deserve a shot at Mayweather? Doesn't matter, Mayweather picked him and that is all the difference. Ortiz did not pick Mayweather it was the other way around. Saul better hope he puts on a spectacular performance or he will look like the biggest ass in all of boxing. Fuckin diva.



I don't think you understand what happened. Let me try to explain this to you...

1. Canelo didn't start out by demanding Mayweather fight him in September. Canelo was approached by GBP and Mayweather Promotions about fighting on Mayweather's May 4th undercard. That was a very reasonable request by GBP and MP b/c Canelo had fought on the last 2 Mayweather cards.

2. Canelo knew he was going to fight a really good opponent. Like everyone said, he needed to step up in class and fight a legit 154 pounder. Canelo declided to not only fight a good 154 pounder, he decided to fight the BEST.

3. So here you have Canelo about to fight in the biggest fight of his career being asked if he wants to put that fight on Mayweather's undercard. Obviously you would rather have that be a stand-alone event. Canelo-Trout is a big fight...one of the 5 biggest fights of the year...so Canelo knows his own show in Texas would do well. It would sell tickets and give him an entire event to himself. At this point the fight with Trout is too big to be an undercard fight. Canelo decided that he wanted his own event.

4. But Canelo isn't dumb, instead of just saying no and ignoring GBP and MP, he decides to make a counter-offer. Mayweather had been teasing Canelo with a possible shot in a mega-fight for 2 years now. Canelo decided it was put up or shut up time. He called Mayweather's bluff. So he said that he wanted something in writing guaranteeing him a shot at Mayweather in September IF they both won. Then he would bring the Trout fight to Mayweather's undercard.

5. Mayweather declined.


My question is what is so unreasonable about all of that? Canelo-Trout is not an undercard fight. It just isn't. At this point in his career Canelo isn't an undercard fighter, either. That is shown by the ticket sales for Canelo-Trout. I read an article a few weeks ago where almost 30,000 tickets had been sold. That alone is a good reason NOT to have that fight on an undercard. Canelo was a man and moved on with a GREAT fight and made his own card. He stepped out of Mayweather's shadow to put on his own event. Isn't that what we want from our fighters?
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QUOTE (KOpower @ Apr 12 2013, 09:34 AM) *
I don't think you understand what happened. Let me try to explain this to you...

1. Canelo didn't start out by demanding Mayweather fight him in September. Canelo was approached by GBP and Mayweather Promotions about fighting on Mayweather's May 4th undercard. That was a very reasonable request by GBP and MP b/c Canelo had fought on the last 2 Mayweather cards.

2. Canelo knew he was going to fight a really good opponent. Like everyone said, he needed to step up in class and fight a legit 154 pounder. Canelo declided to not only fight a good 154 pounder, he decided to fight the BEST.

3. So here you have Canelo about to fight in the biggest fight of his career being asked if he wants to put that fight on Mayweather's undercard. Obviously you would rather have that be a stand-alone event. Canelo-Trout is a big fight...one of the 5 biggest fights of the year...so Canelo knows his own show in Texas would do well. It would sell tickets and give him an entire event to himself. At this point the fight with Trout is too big to be an undercard fight. Canelo decided that he wanted his own event.

4. But Canelo isn't dumb, instead of just saying no and ignoring GBP and MP, he decides to make a counter-offer. Mayweather had been teasing Canelo with a possible shot in a mega-fight for 2 years now. Canelo decided it was put up or shut up time. He called Mayweather's bluff. So he said that he wanted something in writing guaranteeing him a shot at Mayweather in September IF they both won. Then he would bring the Trout fight to Mayweather's undercard.

5. Mayweather declined.


My question is what is so unreasonable about all of that? Canelo-Trout is not an undercard fight. It just isn't. At this point in his career Canelo isn't an undercard fighter, either. That is shown by the ticket sales for Canelo-Trout. I read an article a few weeks ago where almost 30,000 tickets had been sold. That alone is a good reason NOT to have that fight on an undercard. Canelo was a man and moved on with a GREAT fight and made his own card. He stepped out of Mayweather's shadow to put on his own event. Isn't that what we want from our fighters?


Since when did Alvarez start calling shots in his own career? He has been doing what GB has been telling him to do since day 1! You act like Saul is the most sought after co-event fighter. Trout and Alvarez would have been damn good on the undercard, it would of gotten more exposure than it is getting now. SInce the fight of this magnitude is so big and large, why haven't I seen one damn commercial or even hear anyone talking about it outside of real boxing fans. A lot people never even heard of Alvarez, he is big in Mexico and Hispanic Americans but guess what? We are in America and yes we have a large Spanish population but guess there are other fight fans who watch boxing instead of them. Plus year ago Oscar even said Alvarez was not ready for Floyd even Alvarez himself had hinted tot he same conclusion. I never heard Mayweather even mention Alvarez's name within the last two years. And tickets started off at 10 dollars! Of course people are going to buy a boxing match ticket for 10 dollars! Again, until Alvarez wins a legit belt and fights stiffer competition he should not be barking at the big dog in the sport. He can't demand shit. He can't even demand to take shit when it comes to Mayweather. When has Mayweather ever sign a fight when he is already fighting someone else? he has never done that in his 17 year career as a boxer. All of a sudden he is suppose to change his tune for someone who has yet to do a damn thing in his own weigh division? He bit the hand that gave him exposure. Let's be honest.
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Apr 12 2013, 12:47 PM) *
Since when did Alvarez start calling shots in his own career? He has been doing what GB has been telling him to do since day 1! You act like Saul is the most sought after co-event fighter. Trout and Alvarez would have been damn good on the undercard, it would of gotten more exposure than it is getting now. SInce the fight of this magnitude is so big and large, why haven't I seen one damn commercial or even hear anyone talking about it outside of real boxing fans. A lot people never even heard of Alvarez, he is big in Mexico and Hispanic Americans but guess what? We are in America and yes we have a large Spanish population but guess there are other fight fans who watch boxing instead of them. Plus year ago Oscar even said Alvarez was not ready for Floyd even Alvarez himself had hinted tot he same conclusion. I never heard Mayweather even mention Alvarez's name within the last two years. And tickets started off at 10 dollars! Of course people are going to buy a boxing match ticket for 10 dollars! Again, until Alvarez wins a legit belt and fights stiffer competition he should not be barking at the big dog in the sport. He can't demand shit. He can't even demand to take shit when it comes to Mayweather. When has Mayweather ever sign a fight when he is already fighting someone else? he has never done that in his 17 year career as a boxer. All of a sudden he is suppose to change his tune for someone who has yet to do a damn thing in his own weigh division? He bit the hand that gave him exposure. Let's be honest.


If he hasn't been calling his shots on his own career before then he certainly is now. GBP did not want him to fight Trout, but Canelo had the balls to step up and do it. I think that is a good thing and I can't imagine you think it is a bad thing. He is only 22, but if he can start calling shots in his own career at a young age then you are better off doing it. I think we can all agree that Canelo taking the Trout fight against GBP's wishes is a GOOD thing.

Canelo vs Trout would have been the biggest true undercard fight that I can ever remember. Can you think of one better? One that means more? A young potential star against the best fighter in his class? This would be like Fernando Vargas vs Winky Wright had Winky beaten Mosley the fight before facing Vargas. Everyone knew Trout was dangerous...he proved it and got more name value by handling Cotto the way Wright handled Mosley.

There are only 3 ways Canelo could have handled the Floyd offer...


1. Turn it down and just ignore Mayweather Promotions and move on to your own fight with Trout

2. Make a counter-offer, knowing that if Floyd turned it down then you will move on to make your own fight with Trout

3. Accept the undercard offer, continue to try and live off of Floyd's fame, and turn down your own event with Trout while likely taking less money in the process. You also turn down a chance to fight in front of 30,000-40,000 people that are there to see YOU.

The only real options are 1 and 2. I guess you are insulted that Canelo even came back with a counter-offer. Ok...I am not. I honestly would think that you wouldn't be that sensitive about it. Boxing is a business...remember?


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