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Who Wins Mayweather-Guerrero
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Mayweaather by decision (close) [ 8 ] ** [57.14%]
Mayweather by decision (wide) [ 3 ] ** [21.43%]
Mayweather by KO/TKO [ 3 ] ** [21.43%]
Guerrero by decision (close) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Guerrero by decision (wide) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Guerrero by KO/TKO [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
Draw [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
DQ (Indicate Loser in Response) [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
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daprofessor
post May 1 2013, 05:52 PM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 1 2013, 05:36 PM) *
I picked Floyd by a close UD, but I think there's an outside shot, I don't know 7-1 to 10-1 that Guerrero gets DQ'd. He could pull an Ortiz, but he won't "Play nice, ala Oscar" nor look to apologize. He might also get pissed at the ref for not allowing him to hold and hit and do other dirty shit. Does "The Ghost" have to get inside to maul and bust Floyd up to even have a chance at winning? Yes! Will the ref let him do that? No! Only if Russell Mora was appointed would Robert be able to do that.

At the rules meeting Floyd and his people will preach like hell to watch any inside fighting that Robert does. The ref won't let Robert fight inside very much. If Robert doesn't get DQ'd out of frustration, Floyd will win about 16-112 and Guerrero will say "The ref wouldn't let me fight my fight."

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i've seen several articles addressing this very thing. robert is kind of cagey with his dirty tactics. by the time the ref calls them...he'll be on to the next foul. by then...it'll be too late because they will take their toll on floyd.
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post May 1 2013, 07:56 PM
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LOL... mayweather has seen dirty tactics before. this hype job who struggled with Berto is not much better than hatton if at all.. Guerrero brings nothing appetizing to the dinner table. People think the layoff and jail will have an impact... will not.. just watch Floyd dissect this hypocrite jesus freak

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post May 1 2013, 09:03 PM
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QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 1 2013, 08:56 PM) *
LOL... mayweather has seen dirty tactics before. this hype job who struggled with Berto is not much better than hatton if at all.. Guerrero brings nothing appetizing to the dinner table. People think the layoff and jail will have an impact... will not.. just watch Floyd dissect this hypocrite jesus freak


i beg to differ. guerrero is a much better fighter than hatton.
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post May 1 2013, 09:23 PM
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Prof, based on what.. who has he beat. hattons win over Tzu bests his whole damned career.. and he put on a dirty fighting clinic.. like floyd said he is a good grappler.. I expect Floyd to show and prove just what he sized up... dirty fighter. Nothing impressive with his fight game at all at least in the realm of Floyd Nayweather.. against the likes of Berto he can struggle to a win. here he struggles and gets outclassed. Just how I see it.. we will soon find out

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post May 1 2013, 10:12 PM
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QUOTE (Franchize @ May 1 2013, 12:18 PM) *
I'm with Cshel. Guerrero TALKED himself into this fight. I found it somewhat disturbing that this is the biggest fight of your life and you were kinda flabby. I would have been in shape the moment the contract got signed. I just don't get these fighters man. Floyd, if anybody, could sit back and relax. He really doesn't have to ever fight again. He has all the money, talent and fame in the world. Why does it seem like he's more hungry than the guys trying to be where he's at? Why are these young cats letting the Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweathers of the world out work them? It's already a given they have more ring knowledge than you. Why give them that edge too? Not saying Guerrero won't be in shape for the fight or make weight (even though I previously voiced my concerns). I'm just saying, there wouldn't be any "getting into shape". Until I get to the mountain top, I'm walking around at my fight weight.

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post May 2 2013, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 30 2013, 09:34 PM) *
making 147 is nothing like it was for him making 135 or 126. there's a science to this. i don't agree with it...but it's how they do it. he'll hit 147 easily.

I STILL wonder how he managed to make those lower weights. If anything, I thought Robert would have to eat a lot to make WW, but its the exact opposite because he has to shed to make 147. Weird

QUOTE (checkleft @ May 1 2013, 09:56 AM) *
Shit he could lose most of that just in water weight the day of the weigh in. He should be fine

But why work all the way down to the wire like that? I'm ready see guys at the contracted weight, at least a week before the fight. These guys remind me of those days of cramming in some study time for a test. You may know just enough to pass, but you're sure as shit gonna be tired when taking the test.

On top of that, you better hope that the test is worded verbatim from what you studied. If not, then you'll end up tired as hell and confused with the questions being worded all funny, and tend to miss the easy ones that you thought you had figured out.

If push comes to shove, you'll look over somebody's shoulder for answers...just to see that their tested is numbered differently, with different questions. It reminds me of Berto being unprepared for the Guerrero, and what did he do? He decided on the fly, to fight a completely different style (which was light-years from his) and got handled.

QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 1 2013, 01:13 PM) *
Here is my issue with Guerrero cutting weight at the last minute. Yes he did the same routine with Berto and he gassed out toward the end. he looked tired. He is going to need all the energy to go 10 rounds (He is getting stopped and I will explain why in the days ahead) with a fighter who stays in shape. I would feel more comfortable if Guerrero came in around 150 to 149. I know Guerrero has been doing this his entire career but he can not afford to get tired in the championship rounds. That is where he can really win the fight.

He gassed towards the end of the Aydin fight as well. I'm no sure why these guys think that they can come in as a "big welterweight" against Floyd and brag on their "hand speed". Hand speed means dick, when the guy in front of you wont give you an opportunity to land. So what happens? You burn energy from missing shots, you get frustrated because a guy's in front of you but you cant hit him cleanly, then comes the decline.

By the way, I'm still on the fence about this fight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

QUOTE (Franchize @ May 1 2013, 01:18 PM) *
I'm with Cshel. Guerrero TALKED himself into this fight. I found it somewhat disturbing that this is the biggest fight of your life and you were kinda flabby. I would have been in shape the moment the contract got signed. I just don't get these fighters man. Floyd, if anybody, could sit back and relax. He really doesn't have to ever fight again. He has all the money, talent and fame in the world. Why does it seem like he's more hungry than the guys trying to be where he's at? Why are these young cats letting the Bernard Hopkins and Floyd Mayweathers of the world out work them? It's already a given they have more ring knowledge than you. Why give them that edge too? Not saying Guerrero won't be in shape for the fight or make weight (even though I previously voiced my concerns). I'm just saying, there wouldn't be any "getting into shape". Until I get to the mountain top, I'm walking around at my fight weight.

Some of these guys really concern me, but hell, leaving people with that feeling of "concern" is probably their way of promoting the fight. Robert should look like he's on PEDs right about now, but it seems like he's doing just enough to hit 147 on the head, then he'll come in the fight looking a bit flabby.

Granted, not all fighters can walk around ripped up, but damn dude, give the biggest fight of your career a little more effort than this. It just looked like those $1 McChickens were his weak point, when they did the opening photoshoot. Guys like Bradley pack on several pounds between fights, but Bradley's training ethics cant be denied...at least we know he pushes himself to the limit.

Guerrero just may be one of those big solid WWs like Margarito though, who knows. I laugh at how they edit the footage and have Floyd's opponents benchpressing cows, flipping tires, swinging bats and hammers, etc...but Floyd seems to be doing basic workouts in training. It looks bad on the opponent when they lose because it seems like they put in a lot of hard work, but came up short. Those damn editors I tell ya.
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post May 2 2013, 10:47 AM
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i'm laughing at Guerrero's wife crying. Woman has tore liekiemia (or however you spell it)a new asshole yet she is crying about this match.

Think she's worried he's gonna get beat bad?
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post May 2 2013, 12:25 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 2 2013, 09:06 AM) *
I STILL wonder how he managed to make those lower weights. If anything, I thought Robert would have to eat a lot to make WW, but its the exact opposite because he has to shed to make 147. Weird


But why work all the way down to the wire like that? I'm ready see guys at the contracted weight, at least a week before the fight. These guys remind me of those days of cramming in some study time for a test. You may know just enough to pass, but you're sure as shit gonna be tired when taking the test.

On top of that, you better hope that the test is worded verbatim from what you studied. If not, then you'll end up tired as hell and confused with the questions being worded all funny, and tend to miss the easy ones that you thought you had figured out.

If push comes to shove, you'll look over somebody's shoulder for answers...just to see that their tested is numbered differently, with different questions. It reminds me of Berto being unprepared for the Guerrero, and what did he do? He decided on the fly, to fight a completely different style (which was light-years from his) and got handled.


He gassed towards the end of the Aydin fight as well. I'm no sure why these guys think that they can come in as a "big welterweight" against Floyd and brag on their "hand speed". Hand speed means dick, when the guy in front of you wont give you an opportunity to land. So what happens? You burn energy from missing shots, you get frustrated because a guy's in front of you but you cant hit him cleanly, then comes the decline.

By the way, I'm still on the fence about this fight. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


Some of these guys really concern me, but hell, leaving people with that feeling of "concern" is probably their way of promoting the fight. Robert should look like he's on PEDs right about now, but it seems like he's doing just enough to hit 147 on the head, then he'll come in the fight looking a bit flabby.

Granted, not all fighters can walk around ripped up, but damn dude, give the biggest fight of your career a little more effort than this. It just looked like those $1 McChickens were his weak point, when they did the opening photoshoot. Guys like Bradley pack on several pounds between fights, but Bradley's training ethics cant be denied...at least we know he pushes himself to the limit.

Guerrero just may be one of those big solid WWs like Margarito though, who knows. I laugh at how they edit the footage and have Floyd's opponents benchpressing cows, flipping tires, swinging bats and hammers, etc...but Floyd seems to be doing basic workouts in training. It looks bad on the opponent when they lose because it seems like they put in a lot of hard work, but came up short. Those damn editors I tell ya.



u ain't lying because during fight week you have people picking the underdog.

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Here is the issue with I have with Guerrero: He looks tired and his eyes swell way too easy. I am concerned that he is a little tired and he even seems a bit nervous. His dad is way over the top and too be honest he has been talking so much which means he has to back up his talk. Guerrero is putting more pressure on himself then need be. This is not a Adyin or Andre fight. I honestly believed he lost against Aydin but whatever. I wonder if he can keep his composure and not give away too much. I am calling this fight by 10th round stoppage. I will explain my reasoning on Saturday. I still believe that Guerrero will come in heavy on Friday.


Guerrero's father calling Mayweather a wife beater was actually pretty funny. I did not expect that...
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post May 2 2013, 01:49 PM
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QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 1 2013, 10:23 PM) *
Prof, based on what.. who has he beat. hattons win over Tzu bests his whole damned career.. and he put on a dirty fighting clinic.. like floyd said he is a good grappler.. I expect Floyd to show and prove just what he sized up... dirty fighter. Nothing impressive with his fight game at all at least in the realm of Floyd Nayweather.. against the likes of Berto he can struggle to a win. here he struggles and gets outclassed. Just how I see it.. we will soon find out


for starters...robert moved up in weight and beat an undefeated fighter and an always dangerous berto. hatton got a gift against collazo and got ktfo'd against floyd. hatton's win over kt was a foul filled, home cooked fight that he could not have won with any other ref in any other city.
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