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post Apr 11 2013, 01:46 PM
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Not sure if there's a thread for this already but I thought it would be cool to see you guys' responses. This one is simple. Rank your top 5 weakest chins in boxing. Here's mine:

Roy Jones Jr- I mean c'mon....ANYBODY has a shot against him, despite him being one of the most talented boxers ever, simply because when he gets hit he does the stanky leg almost immediately.
Amir Khan- I think this kid is extremely talented. Unfortunately, Roach didn't develop enough SKILL to refine that talent and years of pulling straight back when he's done punching has caught up to him. If you fart loud enough, you'll KO him.
Chad Dawson- His entire career is full of fights in which he dominates but has that one round in which he looks like Bambi on ice.
Yuri Gamboa- You'd think someone who regularly gets dropped by the finest, most ripe cherry picked opponents would utilize an ounce of defense.
James Kirkland- I put him here because I'm not sure if Jermain Taylor even fights anymore. "Twinkle toes...you're breaking my heart." For a guy who likes to mix it up, he's often caught dancing like George Jefferson when he gets hit.

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mrchitown
post Apr 11 2013, 05:29 PM
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I would mention RJJ but I think his move to HW and then back down ruined him and he's never been able to recover. i often wonder how those Tarver fights would've played out if he hadn't of moved up in weight

Gamboa's chin is suspect and so is Juanma Lopez's....I guess that's what makes a fight between the 2 of them still intriguing.

Berto's chin is suspect to me
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post Apr 11 2013, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 05:29 PM) *
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I would mention RJJ but I think his move to HW and then back down ruined him and he's never been able to recover. i often wonder how those Tarver fights would've played out if he hadn't of moved up in weight

Gamboa's chin is suspect and so is Juanma Lopez's....I guess that's what makes a fight between the 2 of them still intriguing.

Berto's chin is suspect to me



Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.
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post Apr 11 2013, 09:48 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 11 2013, 09:09 PM) *
Why do we make this as an excuse for RJJ? It isn't like he's the first to move to a higher weight class and then back down again, I don't believe he lost anything that he never really had in terms of punch resistance. People forget that we never really got to see RJJ's beard get tested anyway at the lower weights because he has such quick reflexes and never really got laid out and had to come back from it so how is it that one can say that going up to HW and then back down ruined his chin??

I won't make that simple excuse for RJJ, I just say we finally got to see what happens to him when he got his beard truly tapped and now we know the rest of the story.


I'm sorry but I've never been one to make excuses. Now if you want to ask me about making an observation then you can rephrase that. I'm not apart of RJJ's team so IDK why I would make an excuse for a man I've never met, I made an observation and a very sound one

I look at it like this, RJJ went up in weight, I forget what he weighed when he fought Ruiz for the HW title, but when he moved back down to LHW, it's a reasonable assessment to make that he lost something. I agree that he was never tested at that time at 175 but when you go up in weight and come down, it can have negative effects on your body. He lost some muscle that effected him

Talk to a trainer and they'll tell you that doing something like that can be a bad idea. I'll give you one more example of that, Chris Byrd. Remember when he had that fight on FNF's and he moved down to 175? He's a perfect example of what dropping down like that can do to your body. You can call it an excuse but I call it common sense, not everyone has it. If you move up and down in weight it has an effect on you one way or the other. He's not the first to do it but I wouldn't dare just lump every fighter to ever do it on 1 category, that's foolish. The rest is history with Tarver too, who put on all that weight for that Rocky movie and he hasn't been able to lose it, look what happened to him in his first fight back at 175, Hopkins soundly defeated him and he has looked sluggish ever since...History has shown the adverse effects that can take place in fluctuating weight in Boxing

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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 11 2013, 09:48 PM) *
I'm sorry but I've never been one to make excuses. Now if you want to ask me about making an observation then you can rephrase that. I'm not apart of RJJ's team so IDK why I would make an excuse for a man I've never met, I made an observation and a very sound one

I look at it like this, RJJ went up in weight, I forget what he weighed when he fought Ruiz for the HW title, but when he moved back down to LHW, it's a reasonable assessment to make that he lost something. I agree that he was never tested at that time at 175 but when you go up in weight and come down, it can have negative effects on your body. He lost some muscle that effected him

Talk to a trainer and they'll tell you that doing something like that can be a bad idea. I'll give you one more example of that, Chris Byrd. Remember when he had that fight on FNF's and he moved down to 175? He's a perfect example of what dropping down like that can do to your body. You can call it an excuse but I call it common sense, not everyone has it. If you move up and down in weight it has an effect on you one way or the other. He's not the first to do it but I wouldn't dare just lump every fighter to ever do it on 1 category, that's foolish. The rest is history with Tarver too, who put on all that weight for that Rocky movie and he hasn't been able to lose it, look what happened to him in his first fight back at 175, Hopkins soundly defeated him and he has looked sluggish ever since...History has shown the adverse effects that can take place in fluctuating weight in Boxing



Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.
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post Apr 12 2013, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Apr 12 2013, 07:07 AM) *
Ok, let's go backwards from your post to address all the issues: First, Tarver was always walking around as a HW and that is no secret---he usually weighed 218 before training to get down to 175 as stated by his Trainer so when people use that Rocky movie weight gain theory then it's all BS to me. As far as Chris Byrd getting smashed; people tend to forget that he (much like RJJ) never really got tapped up all that much so that we can see how he reacts from adversity and furthermore losing muscle in your body has little to do with one's chin (if that was the case then having a body like Arnold's should guarantee one a great beard).

Now I would agree with you if RJJ or Byrd had taken fierce bodyshots and was stopped because of them but to hit one in the chin and then claim that losing muscle (there are none that can help your face resist punches, trust me on that) was the reason for it then I soundly disagree for my reasons posted.

As far as when I stated "we" make excuses; it wasn't aimed specifically at you though I did use your message to reply to it in but I'm just sick of hearing people use that reasoning. RJJ wasn't KO'd from a bodyshot, and Tarver wasn't even stopped at all and all we have to do is look at some of the fighters from the past to see how many of them went up and then back down to understand that it had no negative effects on them like we claim it did to RJJ and others but yet they still prevailed.

Come on, regardless of what any Trainer would say; there's no amount of gaining weight or losing it that can help solidify one's ability to absorb hard, flush shots straight to the domepiece.....to the body-Yes but not to the beard.


I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I've seen countless examples of it and just writing it off because they didn't get body shots is not accurate IMO. Chad Dawson dropped how many pounds to fight Ward. He got Ko'd by a body shot? I think not. The writing is on the wall. Your body has to adjust to those types of things and when it's not given proper time to do so the effects can be catastrophic.
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 12 2013, 06:13 PM) *
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree here. I've seen countless examples of it and just writing it off because they didn't get body shots is not accurate IMO. Chad Dawson dropped how many pounds to fight Ward. He got Ko'd by a body shot? I think not. The writing is on the wall. Your body has to adjust to those types of things and when it's not given proper time to do so the effects can be catastrophic.



That's cool and we will! What other examples have you seen where a fighter is weakened due to this situation? Chad got done in by the amount of shots he took, not by one specific shot like Jones did and IMHO there is no comparison to be made here and that is a bad example you used.

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