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daprofessor
post Apr 15 2013, 02:58 PM
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he's had some great black fighters over the years....but ali was a finished product that didn't need much marketing. same can be said for leonard. he guided floyd early in his career but imo did not promote floyd as well as he could have or half as much as he promoted dlh or pacquiao. is he just not in touch? or does he just not care? rigondeaux has displayed exceptional skill like we haven't seen in quite some time. this guy has some amazing accomplishments on his resume.

world unified champion in just 10 pro fights
2 time gold medalist
2 time pan am gold medalist
2 time world cup champion

had almost 400 fights as an amateur with only 12 losses and hasn't been defeated in 10yrs.

he just beat the fighter of the year '12 very convincingly and he's going to be a hard sell??? is arum serious? the opposition is out there for rigondeaux to stake his claim at greatness. we have an opportunity to see another truly great fighter accomplish great things.

fights i'd like to see that are very doable.

mares
moreno
agbeko
nishioka
darchinyan
wv2

if he should move up...
gary russell
mickey garcia

those are just off the top of my head. in my mind....we just saw a megafight. the two very best in the division and rigondeaux proved he was a level above the fighter of the year. so now he has to suffer because arum is either incompetent or racist? bullshit!!! push this guy!!! don't punish him for his greatness. give the fans what they deserve and stop with the bullshit agendas.

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post Apr 17 2013, 08:27 AM
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I don't necessarily think Arum is racist. It's just his addition to marketing. You seen too many black fighters at the top, so he's trying something different with fighters like Pacquiao.

I think someone here mentioned De La Hoya and Mayweather, the difference between them is that De La Hoya was a more popular fighter in the amateurs and won a gold, while Floyd was less popular and won a bronze, so I don't see how race plays a factor there. Arum also didn't want to feed Mayweather to De La Hoya (I think for $20 million Floyd asked?) because Oscar and Arum had a following out (remember?) and Arum didn't want to do that kind of money with Oscar anymore.

I also recall Arum going on about how Mayweather was the next Ali, and promoting him as such, but Mayweather eventually bounced because Arum was trying to sell him short, like what he did to Oscar and now is doing to Pacquiao.
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post Apr 17 2013, 01:53 PM
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QUOTE (sduck @ Apr 17 2013, 09:27 AM) *
I don't necessarily think Arum is racist. It's just his addition to marketing. You seen too many black fighters at the top, so he's trying something different with fighters like Pacquiao.

I think someone here mentioned De La Hoya and Mayweather, the difference between them is that De La Hoya was a more popular fighter in the amateurs and won a gold, while Floyd was less popular and won a bronze, so I don't see how race plays a factor there. Arum also didn't want to feed Mayweather to De La Hoya (I think for $20 million Floyd asked?) because Oscar and Arum had a following out (remember?) and Arum didn't want to do that kind of money with Oscar anymore.

I also recall Arum going on about how Mayweather was the next Ali, and promoting him as such, but Mayweather eventually bounced because Arum was trying to sell him short, like what he did to Oscar and now is doing to Pacquiao.


the ground work for oscar had already been laid in the olympics. he won the gold for his mom who died of cancer. amazing story. all arum had to do after that was make sure he matched him appropriately. oscar's skill made that somewhat easy. floyd..on the other hand need more work and promotion...but imo had more skill than oscar so the matchmaking was even easier. arum likes to think of himself as an oldschool promoter who 'builds them up properly.' i've yet to see him do that with a black fighter.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2013, 01:53 PM) *
the ground work for oscar had already been laid in the olympics. he won the gold for his mom who died of cancer. amazing story. all arum had to do after that was make sure he matched him appropriately. oscar's skill made that somewhat easy. floyd..on the other hand need more work and promotion...but imo had more skill than oscar so the matchmaking was even easier. arum likes to think of himself as an oldschool promoter who 'builds them up properly.' i've yet to see him do that with a black fighter.


All truth in this statement...I hope he does something good with that kid Crawford, I see good things in his future
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- daprofessor   is bob arum racist or imcompetent...   Apr 15 2013, 02:58 PM
- - Jovi   Rigondeaux/Moreno was a fight i was thinking of la...   Apr 15 2013, 03:24 PM
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- - mgrover   Rigos going to unfortunately pay the price for his...   Apr 15 2013, 05:34 PM
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