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post Apr 15 2013, 11:14 PM
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I was totally blown away by Rigondeaux's skill and intelligence. Who saw that move where he stepped into Donaire's right hand punch and jammed it with his shoulder and then stepped back to avoid the left hook? Just fucking beautiful! Are there any other fighters that do that? Rigondeaux did this 3 times, once to bump Donaire of balance and then escape. Mayweather was my favorite fighter and now it's Rigondeaux! What other subtle skills did you guys pick up?
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post Apr 18 2013, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Apr 17 2013, 06:54 PM) *
i disagree. zab has never been on the level with donaire. he's had some great wins...but i think donaire has more skill and accomplishment.

shane...u could make the case at 135...he was unbeatable at the time. above 135...he was just a little above average.

the thing to consider here....nonito move up in weight and his best year came last year where he got the fighter of the year award for his 4 wins. i thought jmm should have been awarded fighter of the year...and u could have made a case for guerrero as well....but i think his four wins moreso than his testing won him that award.

like aware said...wards win over dawson is diminished by the weight drain.

floyds win over zab is diminished by the fact that he lost to baldomir right before he fought floyd. i think floyds best win was against corrales.

i think rigondeaux's win over donaire trumps all of those wins.

Mosley was an absolute manimal at 135.

But I dont get how you can say wards win was diminished by weight (which I agree with) and fail to mention donaire fought very small guys, unknowns, and guys looking to cash out the four fights he got his foy award with.

But rigos win is definitely more impressive than a lot of mayweather wins. The fight actually reminded me a lot of the corrales fight, funny that you mentioned it.

QUOTE (mrchitown @ Apr 17 2013, 09:21 PM) *
I agree with everything you said, but I think Ward might KO Dawson at light-heavy. Not because of the weight but because he's mentally fragile

at the bolded, you raise an interesting point. I was talking to people at my gym about when a fighter's prime is. And truthfully that's open to interpretation. Truthfully an athletes prime is seen by most as late 20 and ending sometime in their 30's. But that's not really true, some athletes don't hit their prime til later. A person's prime is not a collective issue but an individual but most fans of sports tend to lump them into the same category...now as far as Mosley, I think he started to slide after the Mayweather fight, this is the same guy who tore thru Margarito. What could have hurt Shane in that fight is the layoff. Remember he was supposed to fight Berto that year in January not Floyd in May. He hasn't looked sharp since the 2nd round of the Mayweather fight. Was he past his prime is open to one's interpretation but I don't see it as so


Not only had mosley just tore marg a new asshole but he also put on a great performance against cotto at his absolute peak in a great fight. Back then cottos skill might not have been what it is now but he was an absolute bull mentally. It's a tragedy that he lost that level of confidence the way he did
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post Apr 18 2013, 06:59 PM
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QUOTE (checkleft @ Apr 18 2013, 03:06 PM) *
Mosley was an absolute manimal at 135.

But I dont get how you can say wards win was diminished by weight (which I agree with) and fail to mention donaire fought very small guys, unknowns, and guys looking to cash out the four fights he got his foy award with.

But rigos win is definitely more impressive than a lot of mayweather wins. The fight actually reminded me a lot of the corrales fight, funny that you mentioned it.



Not only had mosley just tore marg a new asshole but he also put on a great performance against cotto at his absolute peak in a great fight. Back then cottos skill might not have been what it is now but he was an absolute bull mentally. It's a tragedy that he lost that level of confidence the way he did



Yea I dont really think Donaire fought anybody credible. Almost like Canelo type of think where you waiting for him to fight somebody with great skills.


I felt like Sugar Shane was in his prim in the floyd fight. Cotto looked better in the floyd fight then when he fought mosley. Cotto's skills looked alot better in the floyd fight.
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- - Aware   I guess this is practically a repeat post. I didn...   Apr 16 2013, 12:02 AM
- - mgrover   On par? I don't know maybe, he still makes som...   Apr 16 2013, 05:14 AM
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