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What is Your Take On The WBC's 4th and 8th Round Open Scring Rule?
How Do You Currently Feel About Open Scoring?
I Have Always Hated It [ 13 ] ** [81.25%]
I Have Always Liked It [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]
I Used to Hate It, But Now Like/Am Used To It [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I Used to Like It, But Now Hate It [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I Am Not Sure [ 2 ] ** [12.50%]
Total Votes: 16
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The Original MrF...
post Apr 24 2013, 01:37 PM
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I think many who hate open scoring and the way it was presented in the Canelo/Trout fight may have really hated it because of the horrific scores read in the 8th round. If that score reflected a dead even fight, I dont think there would be as much backlash. I think the score shown after the 8th round that showed Trout trailing badly that pissed everybody off. Many, including Trout(to some degree) thought the fight was pretty much over unless Trout got a KO. Hey, even Stevie Wonder's scorecard had it close after 8.

I think open scoring can be done with success. I think it should be done after each round. I know the crowd may then sway the judges at ringside, just a bit after the scores are read. I also think that maybe there should be 5 Judges. 3 at ringside and 2 in a secluded room with a few monitors watching the fight with no replays or commentary just to balance the sway of the crowd noise. The ringside judges, particularly for this fight may get swayed way too much by the crowd. The secluded judges will see the fight in a more objective way. As it is now, we know judges are only human and dont have the benefit of replay, as we do. So they may see a scoring shot that didnt really score. That was also very evident in Pacquiao/Bradley. I think that happened to the benefit or detriment of both guys in Canelo/Trout.

I think the 8th round score just gave us a preview of what we saw at the end when the scorecards were tallied. The disappointment was the same, just earlier. If they showed the scores after each round, then Trout could have decided to get busier earlier. Of course its going to change the way the guy fights. I dont see anything wrong with that. In football if you are down by 20 points late in the 2nd quarter, you might start passing more. You change your approach to try to score more. In football they dont hold the score until late in the 3rd quarter and you find out the score is 40 to 10. And your team is the one with 10. Outside of some miracle, your not gonna win. Lets the scores be shown after each round. The judges may even be more honest that way.

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post Apr 24 2013, 02:28 PM
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Boxing got along just fine for 50-100 years without open scoring. The same issues show the negatives outweigh the positives:

  • Boxers going into track meets knowing they are ahead
  • Boxers giving up knowing they are behind.
  • Fan's will stop watching when a fight is so one-sided. I stopped scoring, and didn't care anymore with the Alvarez-Trout scores were read. (round 8)
  • Fighters could get a head-butt from an accidental head-butt, know they are ahead on the cards, QUIT AFTER the fourth round-win a technical decision.
  • Judges may be inclined to question thir scores if not in synch with the others.
  • All suspense is lost. Instead of one fight, with closed-scoring, you have a series of four-round mini-fights. Too wired.
  • Crowd security is an issue. There was a riot in a WBC fight in Italy where a champ lost due to Open Scoring.
  • Open Scoring, which is a violation of Unified Rules is not allowed in the USA. Apparently, Texas who uses it has no regard for its own rules.
  • Open Scoring was tried in the 70's-90's failed every time.
  • Most commissions have nullified this WBC rule, exceptions are Japan, Texas, a few regions of Mexico, perhaps a few others.
  • Open Scoring does not make judging account ability better. Instead provide better review for judges with controversial cards after the fight.

The video below that I also put in the Alvarez-Trout Spoiler thread outlines these points, beautifully.


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- The Original MrFactor   Open Scoring: Poll Added!   Apr 24 2013, 01:37 PM
- - Jack 1000   No! Boxing got along just fine for 50-100 yea...   Apr 24 2013, 02:28 PM
|- - The Original MrFactor   Boxers going into track meets knowing they are ahe...   Apr 24 2013, 03:13 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Apr 24 2013, 03:28 PM)...   Apr 24 2013, 03:28 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Apr 24 2013, 02:28 PM)...   Apr 24 2013, 03:45 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   Do people stop watching football games that are bl...   Apr 24 2013, 03:32 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Apr 24 2013, 0...   Apr 25 2013, 08:54 AM
- - Amandla   I think its an all around thumbs DOWN for open sco...   Apr 24 2013, 06:22 PM
- - mikE11   It doesn't really need to be debated. If yo...   Apr 24 2013, 07:59 PM
- - Plah   Am I the only one with Factor here? I think it sho...   Apr 24 2013, 08:06 PM
|- - aTYpicalTYrant   QUOTE (Plah @ Apr 24 2013, 09:06 PM) Am I...   Apr 24 2013, 08:28 PM
|- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (aTYpicalTYrant @ Apr 24 2013, 09:2...   Apr 24 2013, 08:36 PM
|- - aTYpicalTYrant   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Apr 24 2013, 0...   Apr 25 2013, 08:21 AM
- - Jack 1000   No boxing problem has or will ever be fixed with o...   Apr 24 2013, 11:16 PM
- - mrchitown   I've never liked open scoring and I feel it ne...   Apr 25 2013, 12:44 AM
- - mgrover   I DONT LIKE IT. that is all   Apr 25 2013, 03:32 AM
- - Cshel86   I'm in the minority here, I voted for unsure. ...   Apr 25 2013, 08:39 AM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 25 2013, 02:39 PM) T...   Apr 25 2013, 12:44 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 25 2013, 01:44 PM) S...   Apr 25 2013, 01:36 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 25 2013, 07:36 PM) D...   Apr 25 2013, 07:33 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 25 2013, 08:33 PM) I...   Apr 25 2013, 08:59 PM
- - daprofessor   hate is not in my vocabulary...but i do not want o...   Apr 25 2013, 01:29 PM
- - sduck   There's some big cons about open scoring, how ...   Apr 25 2013, 09:09 PM
- - Franchize   I don't get the purpose of it. It's not li...   Apr 26 2013, 07:49 AM

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