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What is Your Take On The WBC's 4th and 8th Round Open Scring Rule?
How Do You Currently Feel About Open Scoring?
I Have Always Hated It [ 13 ] ** [81.25%]
I Have Always Liked It [ 1 ] ** [6.25%]
I Used to Hate It, But Now Like/Am Used To It [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I Used to Like It, But Now Hate It [ 0 ] ** [0.00%]
I Am Not Sure [ 2 ] ** [12.50%]
Total Votes: 16
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The Original MrF...
post Apr 24 2013, 01:37 PM
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I think many who hate open scoring and the way it was presented in the Canelo/Trout fight may have really hated it because of the horrific scores read in the 8th round. If that score reflected a dead even fight, I dont think there would be as much backlash. I think the score shown after the 8th round that showed Trout trailing badly that pissed everybody off. Many, including Trout(to some degree) thought the fight was pretty much over unless Trout got a KO. Hey, even Stevie Wonder's scorecard had it close after 8.

I think open scoring can be done with success. I think it should be done after each round. I know the crowd may then sway the judges at ringside, just a bit after the scores are read. I also think that maybe there should be 5 Judges. 3 at ringside and 2 in a secluded room with a few monitors watching the fight with no replays or commentary just to balance the sway of the crowd noise. The ringside judges, particularly for this fight may get swayed way too much by the crowd. The secluded judges will see the fight in a more objective way. As it is now, we know judges are only human and dont have the benefit of replay, as we do. So they may see a scoring shot that didnt really score. That was also very evident in Pacquiao/Bradley. I think that happened to the benefit or detriment of both guys in Canelo/Trout.

I think the 8th round score just gave us a preview of what we saw at the end when the scorecards were tallied. The disappointment was the same, just earlier. If they showed the scores after each round, then Trout could have decided to get busier earlier. Of course its going to change the way the guy fights. I dont see anything wrong with that. In football if you are down by 20 points late in the 2nd quarter, you might start passing more. You change your approach to try to score more. In football they dont hold the score until late in the 3rd quarter and you find out the score is 40 to 10. And your team is the one with 10. Outside of some miracle, your not gonna win. Lets the scores be shown after each round. The judges may even be more honest that way.

This post has been edited by Jack 1000: Apr 24 2013, 11:56 PM
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post Apr 24 2013, 11:16 PM
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No boxing problem has or will ever be fixed with open scoring. What needs fixed is greater accountability for judges who render controversial decisions. You also can't compare boxing to other sports where scores are known, such as team sports verses one-on-one combat. It's an apples are oranges scenario. Boxing has very little tradition left. Let's hold on to what we have.

I can't see any way that judging would be made better with open scoring. All you get is the opportunity to see bad scores before the end. If open scoring showed any hope of success it would not have been voted down when it was tried even as far back as the 40's. From the 40's to the present it has been voted own overwhelmingly. This is because the experiments have shown that Open Scoring does not fix bad scoring , I am in no way convinced that closed scoring is broken. Instead, it's the lack of accountability for poor judging that is broken and needs changing, not the scoring system itself.

A five judge panel? UGGHHHH! Don't they have that in the Olympics with the computer scoring and headgear? Olympic boxing is more fucked up and has sunk faster than the Titanic with the computer system and knockdowns counting for no more than clean scores. And if judges can't hit the button in time, the scores don't count. We will see how this changes with the next Olympics with head-gear abolished, and the 10-point must system. Hopefully they will use traditional three judge and closed scoring. Pro boxers will compete for the first time, which I think hurts the integrity and spirit of the Games.

Closed Scoring is like the 10-point must system. It may not be perfect, but its longevity shows it is the best model out there. I will consent to the use of more dominate rounds scored as a 10-8 without a knockdown, and more even rounds scored 10-10. This would produce more realistic scorecards. Currently, the 10-9 model has no distinction between a fighter who barely wins a round 10-9, and a fighter who dominates a round without a knockdown also scored 10-9. And if a round really feels even, why is it wrong to score it 10-10? I do that.

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- The Original MrFactor   Open Scoring: Poll Added!   Apr 24 2013, 01:37 PM
- - Jack 1000   No! Boxing got along just fine for 50-100 yea...   Apr 24 2013, 02:28 PM
|- - The Original MrFactor   Boxers going into track meets knowing they are ahe...   Apr 24 2013, 03:13 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Apr 24 2013, 03:28 PM)...   Apr 24 2013, 03:28 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Apr 24 2013, 02:28 PM)...   Apr 24 2013, 03:45 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   Do people stop watching football games that are bl...   Apr 24 2013, 03:32 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Apr 24 2013, 0...   Apr 25 2013, 08:54 AM
- - Amandla   I think its an all around thumbs DOWN for open sco...   Apr 24 2013, 06:22 PM
- - mikE11   It doesn't really need to be debated. If yo...   Apr 24 2013, 07:59 PM
- - Plah   Am I the only one with Factor here? I think it sho...   Apr 24 2013, 08:06 PM
|- - aTYpicalTYrant   QUOTE (Plah @ Apr 24 2013, 09:06 PM) Am I...   Apr 24 2013, 08:28 PM
|- - The Original MrFactor   QUOTE (aTYpicalTYrant @ Apr 24 2013, 09:2...   Apr 24 2013, 08:36 PM
|- - aTYpicalTYrant   QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ Apr 24 2013, 0...   Apr 25 2013, 08:21 AM
- - Jack 1000   No boxing problem has or will ever be fixed with o...   Apr 24 2013, 11:16 PM
- - mrchitown   I've never liked open scoring and I feel it ne...   Apr 25 2013, 12:44 AM
- - mgrover   I DONT LIKE IT. that is all   Apr 25 2013, 03:32 AM
- - Cshel86   I'm in the minority here, I voted for unsure. ...   Apr 25 2013, 08:39 AM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 25 2013, 02:39 PM) T...   Apr 25 2013, 12:44 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 25 2013, 01:44 PM) S...   Apr 25 2013, 01:36 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Apr 25 2013, 07:36 PM) D...   Apr 25 2013, 07:33 PM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mgrover @ Apr 25 2013, 08:33 PM) I...   Apr 25 2013, 08:59 PM
- - daprofessor   hate is not in my vocabulary...but i do not want o...   Apr 25 2013, 01:29 PM
- - sduck   There's some big cons about open scoring, how ...   Apr 25 2013, 09:09 PM
- - Franchize   I don't get the purpose of it. It's not li...   Apr 26 2013, 07:49 AM


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