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Jack 1000
post May 5 2013, 06:02 PM
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It would take a past legend to beat him from 147 to 154 and even that would not be easy. Today, can't see anyone beating Floyd. From the past, I would say Leonard could do it, probably Hearns as well. Duran, ONLY if he could show what he showed at Lightweight and the first Leonard fight. More than likely, it's a repeat of Duran quitting like in the second Leonard fight. Benitez might hold him to a draw. He kills Curry, Starling, Breland.

Robinson beats him because he was so good there is no second.

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post May 5 2013, 11:34 PM
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I do think Pryor and a prime Arguello would have been too much for Mayweather. Well maybe close at Welterweight. Alexis was Jr Welter. Pryor was unstoppable with the two Arguello fights, but didn't really have the kind of solid opposition after that. How they would do would depend on weight stipulations here. I can't remember now, but didn't Howard Davis beat Pryor in the Amaturs? Davis was a good boxer, but did not have a good chin. I cannot imagine someone beating Pryor with a bad chin! Of course, Pryor could be hurt and floored, but it only increased his agrresiveness.

Hagler beats Floyd, because of the weight and Marvin's killer instict in fights. However,not easy. If Hagler pays attention to the lights like he did against Leonard and Duran, Floyd would have a shot. Marvin had trouble at times with movers, and Floyd would apply that skill. But could Floyd take pressure in the trenches if Marvin fought pissed?

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post May 5 2013, 11:53 PM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 5 2013, 11:34 PM) *
I do think Pryor and a prime Arguello would have been too much for Mayweather.

Jack



Pryor never had any defense which is why Arguello was able to hit him at will even though he could take punches he wouldn't have been able to hit Floyd back as easy as he was able to hit Alexis. Alexis was slow and was tagged repeatedly by Pryor, he never knew how to counterpunch and his defense had huge holes which a fighter (many of them lesser) were able to get through often.

I think we just put too much emphasis on these legendary fighters, I'm old school and a huge fan of them as well but I can see many flaws that were exploited by far lesser fighters than Mayweather in that era and somehow Money isn't supposed to be more of a match than those lesser fighters?? (rhetorical)

Go and look at all the guys these fighters faced and tell me out of those on that list they faced how Mayweather would've fared against any of them? If those guys presented a challenge to the likes of Pryor, Arguello, Duran, Hearns and SRL then I'm certain a far faster, more accurate, better ring IQ, excellent counterpuncher with the best defense in boxing would've been able to do far better.

We act as if these old time fighters were dominating fighters the likes of SRL and Hearns in every fight before facing the elites of their sport like those aforementioned; if you look at Duran's record then he lost to nearly all of his best comp (going by names) and his one big win vs SRL was only because Leonard fought Roberto's fight.
With the exception of Pipino Cuevas and Iran Barkley then Duran isn't really all that.

Arguello's best was Boom Boom Mancini and The Hawk (who stopped him twice), look at the Hawk's record, it isn't anyone besides Alexis who sticks out.
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- Jack 1000   So Who Beats Floyd? Past or Present?   May 5 2013, 06:02 PM
- - hitman   robinson, duran, hearns and leonard. benitez woul...   May 5 2013, 06:35 PM
- - BrutUalBK   Hearns, Robinson and a Draw with Leonard but Duran...   May 5 2013, 06:58 PM
- - hitman   duran was not slow and was definitely not easy to ...   May 5 2013, 07:10 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 5 2013, 07:10 PM) dur...   May 5 2013, 07:15 PM
|- - hitman   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 5 2013, 08:15 PM) ...   May 5 2013, 07:40 PM
||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 5 2013, 07:40 PM) dur...   May 5 2013, 10:13 PM
||- - hitman   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 5 2013, 11:13 PM) ...   May 6 2013, 01:33 PM
||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 6 2013, 01:33 PM) Doe...   May 7 2013, 05:39 PM
|- - hitman   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 5 2013, 07:15 PM) ...   May 7 2013, 06:58 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 06:58 PM) ...   May 7 2013, 07:58 PM
|- - hitman   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 7 2013, 07:58 PM) ...   May 7 2013, 08:14 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 08:14 PM) ...   May 7 2013, 08:56 PM
- - Plah   SRR, Hearns, Forrest, The Hawk. I think he outp...   May 5 2013, 08:43 PM
- - checkleft   I think hearns length would be troublesome, I like...   May 5 2013, 10:44 PM
- - Jack 1000   I do think Pryor and a prime Arguello would have b...   May 5 2013, 11:34 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 5 2013, 11:34 PM) ...   May 5 2013, 11:53 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   Leonard, Hearns, Duran, 2006's Paul Williams, ...   May 6 2013, 12:31 AM
- - sduck   The problem with these kinds of matchmaking is tha...   May 6 2013, 03:15 AM
- - mitukczuk   The best defense of Pryor was his "i don...   May 6 2013, 03:32 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (mitukczuk @ May 6 2013, 04:32 AM) ...   May 6 2013, 03:10 PM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 6 2013, 03:10 PM) Hm...   May 7 2013, 05:32 AM
|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (Hotsauce @ May 7 2013, 06:32 AM) h...   May 7 2013, 11:53 AM
|- - Hotsauce   QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 7 2013, 11:53 AM) Re...   May 7 2013, 03:14 PM
- - Jovi   Marvin hagler- Anyone who steps in the ring with M...   May 6 2013, 06:12 AM
- - mgrover   can't see any of the current young guns beatin...   May 6 2013, 06:37 AM
|- - happygocampy   I agree with Robinson no doubt, i also like Duran ...   May 6 2013, 11:56 AM
- - daprofessor   the duran that beat leonard is the first guy that ...   May 6 2013, 02:45 PM
- - mrchitown   Aint no present fighter beating him As far as pas...   May 7 2013, 03:35 AM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 7 2013, 03:35 AM) ...   May 7 2013, 06:12 AM
||- - mrchitown   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 7 2013, 06:12 AM) ...   May 7 2013, 11:55 PM
||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 7 2013, 11:55 PM) ...   May 8 2013, 03:27 PM
||- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 8 2013, 04:27 PM) ...   May 8 2013, 08:58 PM
|||- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 8 2013, 08:58 PM...   May 8 2013, 09:37 PM
||- - mrchitown   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 8 2013, 03:27 PM) ...   May 9 2013, 01:14 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 7 2013, 04:35 AM) ...   May 7 2013, 02:35 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 7 2013, 02:35 PM...   May 7 2013, 05:12 PM
- - sduck   These are some good studies, may have a couple of ...   May 7 2013, 07:05 AM
- - hitman   i thought oscar looked his best vs. trinidad. his...   May 7 2013, 05:15 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 06:15 PM) i t...   May 7 2013, 06:58 PM
|- - hitman   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 7 2013, 06:58 PM...   May 7 2013, 07:00 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 08:00 PM) you...   May 7 2013, 07:13 PM
- - hitman   if you don't think duran had defense then you ...   May 7 2013, 05:51 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 05:51 PM) if ...   May 7 2013, 06:21 PM
- - hitman   funny how a guy with no defense would be featured ...   May 7 2013, 06:32 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 07:32 PM) fun...   May 7 2013, 06:51 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 06:32 PM) fun...   May 7 2013, 06:55 PM
- - Dolimite   You guys are sick! Only Manny Pacquiao can bea...   May 7 2013, 06:52 PM
- - hitman   no defense whatsoever...lack of D....too easy to h...   May 7 2013, 09:05 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 09:05 PM) no ...   May 7 2013, 09:31 PM
- - sduck   I'm looking at the tapes and I think Duran wou...   May 9 2013, 04:21 AM
- - neophyte7   I agree with you that a prepared and focused Duran...   May 9 2013, 09:25 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 9 2013, 10:25 AM) ...   May 9 2013, 08:08 PM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 9 2013, 09:08 PM...   May 9 2013, 09:23 PM
- - Jack 1000   Some past legends may give Floyd problems, As Flo...   May 10 2013, 12:11 AM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 10 2013, 01:11 AM)...   May 10 2013, 07:26 AM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 10 2013, 08:26 AM)...   May 10 2013, 04:13 PM
- - mgrover   The reason Floyd is on such another level I person...   May 10 2013, 04:17 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ May 10 2013, 05:17 PM) T...   May 10 2013, 04:19 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 10 2013, 10:19 P...   May 10 2013, 04:38 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ May 10 2013, 05:38 PM) Y...   May 10 2013, 07:09 PM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 10 2013, 07:09 P...   May 10 2013, 10:31 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 10 2013, 10:31 PM)...   May 11 2013, 09:00 AM
- - scdrking2   People can not like him for various reasons, but g...   May 10 2013, 04:47 PM
- - BrutUalBK   In a subject-response talk with RingTV.com, Hearns...   May 12 2013, 06:27 PM
- - neophyte7   Man that was an awesome read. Much respect to Tomm...   May 12 2013, 08:51 PM
- - Genius   Unless those fighters agree to random blood and ur...   May 14 2013, 02:19 AM
- - mgrover   I can't see PAC competing in that era at that ...   May 14 2013, 06:04 AM
- - neophyte7   QUOTE (mgrover @ May 14 2013, 07:04 AM) I...   May 14 2013, 09:25 AM
- - MaxPayne   I'm going to consider the following fighters: ...   May 14 2013, 09:56 AM
- - sduck   QUOTE (MaxPayne @ May 14 2013, 09:56 AM) ...   May 15 2013, 12:55 PM


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