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Jack 1000
post May 5 2013, 06:02 PM
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It would take a past legend to beat him from 147 to 154 and even that would not be easy. Today, can't see anyone beating Floyd. From the past, I would say Leonard could do it, probably Hearns as well. Duran, ONLY if he could show what he showed at Lightweight and the first Leonard fight. More than likely, it's a repeat of Duran quitting like in the second Leonard fight. Benitez might hold him to a draw. He kills Curry, Starling, Breland.

Robinson beats him because he was so good there is no second.

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post May 10 2013, 04:17 PM
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The reason Floyd is on such another level I personally think, is because he is on a another level both physically and mentally. And still after 44 fights doesn't take anything for granted.
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post May 10 2013, 04:19 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ May 10 2013, 05:17 PM) *
The reason Floyd is on such another level I personally think, is because he is on a another level both physically and mentally. And still after 44 fights doesn't take anything for granted.


he was born into this...and has been learning since he was 2! who else can say that in this sport? no one.


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post May 10 2013, 04:38 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 10 2013, 10:19 PM) *
he was born into this...and has been learning since he was 2! who else can say that in this sport? no one.


You know you could probably of made an argument for him to be the greatest, but it's just hard at times lol.
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post May 10 2013, 07:09 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ May 10 2013, 05:38 PM) *
You know you could probably of made an argument for him to be the greatest, but it's just hard at times lol.


skill wise...i've made this argument before. show me a fighter who is more skilled than floyd? i cannot think of one in history to be honest. but as for accomplishments... it's like paulie malignaggi said..."sure you can do all these things against inferior opposition...but what happens when u put someone in there with equal athleticism and intelligence?" he was talking about broner...but the same applies to floyd.

robinson had his lamotta

ali had his frazier

leonard had his duran

who has floyd really had that is anything close to his equal? no one.
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post May 10 2013, 10:31 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 10 2013, 07:09 PM) *
skill wise...i've made this argument before. show me a fighter who is more skilled than floyd? i cannot think of one in history to be honest. but as for accomplishments... it's like paulie malignaggi said..."sure you can do all these things against inferior opposition...but what happens when u put someone in there with equal athleticism and intelligence?" he was talking about broner...but the same applies to floyd.

robinson had his lamotta

ali had his frazier

leonard had his duran

who has floyd really had that is anything close to his equal? no one.


True because there's no equal to him or better than him to fight in today's champs and contenders. Alvarez is the ONLY guy that could present a threat. Legends in almost all the weight classes today don't have other legends to fight like in the past. Floyd is the best in his era. Love him, sort of like him, or hate him. Maybe in the Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Benitez, Armstrong, Robinson, Lamotta universes, Floyd goes to a top five to ten contender because all of those guys were as good as Floyd, debate better than Floyd, and perhaps a lot better than Floyd. Like I said before, Floyd is so used to dictating the terms and tempo of his fights that his competition most of the time after the first four rounds they could not figure Floyd out. You have to go back to Castillo I were Floyd looked like a loser to many, and Castillo II were both guys looked crappy in a boring fight. As Malinaggi said, Floyd has become a much better fighter since Castillo and shows no weaknesses or signs of slowing down.

However, with these legends and the intangibles of whether the fight would be 12 or the old 15 round distance would play a role. Floyd's now up against these legends and may have to deal with digging deep and adversity for the fist time. How well could Floyd adjust to the beast of Jake Lamotta or the Duran who beat Leonard and dominated the Lightweight division and was an excellent welterweight when his head was on straight? Floyd's never had to face someone as good or better than he because, as of now, no boxer today exists.

It would be interesting to hear Floyd's take on these legends and how he would do against them!

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post May 11 2013, 09:00 AM
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QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 10 2013, 10:31 PM) *
True because there's no equal to him or better than him to fight in today's champs and contenders. Alvarez is the ONLY guy that could present a threat. Legends in almost all the weight classes today don't have other legends to fight like in the past. Floyd is the best in his era. Love him, sort of like him, or hate him. Maybe in the Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, Duran, Benitez, Armstrong, Robinson, Lamotta universes, Floyd goes to a top five to ten contender because all of those guys were as good as Floyd, debate better than Floyd, and perhaps a lot better than Floyd. Like I said before, Floyd is so used to dictating the terms and tempo of his fights that his competition most of the time after the first four rounds they could not figure Floyd out. You have to go back to Castillo I were Floyd looked like a loser to many, and Castillo II were both guys looked crappy in a boring fight. As Malinaggi said, Floyd has become a much better fighter since Castillo and shows no weaknesses or signs of slowing down.

However, with these legends and the intangibles of whether the fight would be 12 or the old 15 round distance would play a role. Floyd's now up against these legends and may have to deal with digging deep and adversity for the fist time. How well could Floyd adjust to the beast of Jake Lamotta or the Duran who beat Leonard and dominated the Lightweight division and was an excellent welterweight when his head was on straight? Floyd's never had to face someone as good or better than he because, as of now, no boxer today exists.

It would be interesting to hear Floyd's take on these legends and how he would do against them!

Jack



While I wouldn't say that FLoyd is unbeatable (though none has done it yet) I'd say in regards to what's in Bold that Lamotta was simply a guy who bulled forward much in the way Hatton did and that Money's footspeed/legs are too good for him to get beaten that way-both Jesus Chavez and Ricky Hatton tried that style with Mayweather and it didn't work. As far as the Duran who beat SRL in the 1st fight; many people forget that Ray fought Roberto's fight and not his own-the rematch clearly proved how easy of a night it was and if it was easy for Leonard (who IMHO is lesser skilled than FLoyd) then I'm certain that as long as Money fights his own fight that he beats/frustrates Duran just as easily and if not, moreso than Sugar due to his pinpoint accurate offense and superior defense (much better than Leonard's).
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- Jack 1000   So Who Beats Floyd? Past or Present?   May 5 2013, 06:02 PM
- - hitman   robinson, duran, hearns and leonard. benitez woul...   May 5 2013, 06:35 PM
- - BrutUalBK   Hearns, Robinson and a Draw with Leonard but Duran...   May 5 2013, 06:58 PM
- - hitman   duran was not slow and was definitely not easy to ...   May 5 2013, 07:10 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 5 2013, 07:10 PM) dur...   May 5 2013, 07:15 PM
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- - checkleft   I think hearns length would be troublesome, I like...   May 5 2013, 10:44 PM
- - Jack 1000   I do think Pryor and a prime Arguello would have b...   May 5 2013, 11:34 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ May 5 2013, 11:34 PM) ...   May 5 2013, 11:53 PM
- - The Original MrFactor   Leonard, Hearns, Duran, 2006's Paul Williams, ...   May 6 2013, 12:31 AM
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|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 05:51 PM) if ...   May 7 2013, 06:21 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (hitman @ May 7 2013, 07:32 PM) fun...   May 7 2013, 06:51 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ May 10 2013, 05:17 PM) T...   May 10 2013, 04:19 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mgrover @ May 10 2013, 05:38 PM) Y...   May 10 2013, 07:09 PM
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