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Dolimite
post May 6 2013, 08:34 AM
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http://fighthype.com/news/article14365.html

It is no hiding I am a Mayweather fan but after seeing this video I am not sure if Floyd is making excuses or does he have a legitimate claim? It seemed throughout his 17 year career Roger has been there and not only that but has been dedicated to his nephew. I don't really know what to make of this. I know Roger doesn't give great instruction but damn. This rubbed me the wrong way. But I may be tripping. However, I only have seen frustration from his corner and that was against Chavez and I forget where they were fighting. Roger was saying that Floyd should be breezing through the guy but Floyd was telling him it wasn't that easy. So I do not know. I have no idea how to to take this. Its shady either way. Last year you were calling your dad a cab driver who could not box for shit (i am glad Sr. and Jr. reunited) and saying Roger was the best trainer and now this. Some bullshit.
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post May 6 2013, 02:37 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 6 2013, 09:34 AM) *
http://fighthype.com/news/article14365.html

It is no hiding I am a Mayweather fan but after seeing this video I am not sure if Floyd is making excuses or does he have a legitimate claim? It seemed throughout his 17 year career Roger has been there and not only that but has been dedicated to his nephew. I don't really know what to make of this. I know Roger doesn't give great instruction but damn. This rubbed me the wrong way. But I may be tripping. However, I only have seen frustration from his corner and that was against Chavez and I forget where they were fighting. Roger was saying that Floyd should be breezing through the guy but Floyd was telling him it wasn't that easy. So I do not know. I have no idea how to to take this. Its shady either way. Last year you were calling your dad a cab driver who could not box for shit (i am glad Sr. and Jr. reunited) and saying Roger was the best trainer and now this. Some bullshit.


first...let me say that i have always believed floyd sr to be the superior trainer. i don't believe it's a secret that roger has been more offensive minded when it comes to boxing in comparison to sr who is more defensive minded. with that being said, it is roger who inherited a complete fighter imo...so there really was no teaching/coaching so to speak. roger is just a second pair of eyes to floyd. sometimes he sees things...sometimes he doesn't. floyd sr is a second brain to floyd. floyd himself said it...when something isn't working floyd sr gives him other options. there's no "keep doing what you're doing..." from him.

floyd jr is a chip off the old block. they both have massive egos. i've always viewed floyd jr's disrespect in the past as a way of him becoming his own man and being a jr myself....i sort of get it. i am happy to see sr back in his corner and i don't believe floyd jr's statements are throwing roger under the bus...they're just truth. that's not to say roger isn't a great trainer...he is in comparison to most, but floyd sr is the best. period.

the floyd i saw in the ring last saturday looked 10 yrs younger. the change that sticks out the most to me is having his pops back in his corner and in the gym. if that isn't proof enough for everyone...then i don't know what it will take to convince u.
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post May 6 2013, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 6 2013, 02:37 PM) *
first...let me say that i have always believed floyd sr to be the superior trainer. i don't believe it's a secret that roger has been more offensive minded when it comes to boxing in comparison to sr who is more defensive minded. with that being said, it is roger who inherited a complete fighter imo...so there really was no teaching/coaching so to speak. roger is just a second pair of eyes to floyd. sometimes he sees things...sometimes he doesn't. floyd sr is a second brain to floyd. floyd himself said it...when something isn't working floyd sr gives him other options. there's no "keep doing what you're doing..." from him.

floyd jr is a chip off the old block. they both have massive egos. i've always viewed floyd jr's disrespect in the past as a way of him becoming his own man and being a jr myself....i sort of get it. i am happy to see sr back in his corner and i don't believe floyd jr's statements are throwing roger under the bus...they're just truth. that's not to say roger isn't a great trainer...he is in comparison to most, but floyd sr is the best. period.

the floyd i saw in the ring last saturday looked 10 yrs younger. the change that sticks out the most to me is having his pops back in his corner and in the gym. if that isn't proof enough for everyone...then i don't know what it will take to convince u.


What % would you give the change in in-ring strategy versus moderation of the rigorousness of the training regimen. Could he not move like that because he overtrained for Cotto or was that not his intent? I honestly feel that people have overlooked that Mayweather has fought consistently in the pocket since ODH and has fought more with his back against the ropes since Hatton. I think some of the same whispers that changed the way Berto fought against the Russian impacted Floyd and made him adjust his game plan to be more of a crowd pleaser.
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post May 6 2013, 06:23 PM
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QUOTE (scdrking2 @ May 6 2013, 03:55 PM) *
What % would you give the change in in-ring strategy versus moderation of the rigorousness of the training regimen. Could he not move like that because he overtrained for Cotto or was that not his intent? I honestly feel that people have overlooked that Mayweather has fought consistently in the pocket since ODH and has fought more with his back against the ropes since Hatton. I think some of the same whispers that changed the way Berto fought against the Russian impacted Floyd and made him adjust his game plan to be more of a crowd pleaser.


i don't know that i can put a percentage on his in the ring strategy vs the moderation/rigorousness of his training....but floyd himself said that he still works hard....but that his pops helps him be smarter. at his advanced age...training hard is good....but rest becomes even more important because the body doesn't recuperate the way it used to when he was younger. this becomes a balancing act that very few in boxing have mastered. floyd sr thoroughly understands that. i don't believe that floyd consciously chose to fight in the pocket for those fights....but i do believe that he got away from a lot of what his pops taught him. his pops has an understanding of boxing that is amazing. people listen to him talk....and they think he's uneducated so they're are dismissive of what he says. he also doesn't make it any easier on himself because he sometimes says some crazy/comical shit. but if you talk boxing....and you've been educated on the sport...then you know that floyd sr is a professor of the highest degree. you just have to look past some of the shit he talks. i think that floyd sr definitely brought back strategy to floyd's game for sure. as for the rigorousness of the training...i think he definitely played a major part in making sure floyd didn't over do it. i tell my guys all the time..."how you train is how you fight." it is extremely obvious to me that floyd worked on his movement and defense big time.

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