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BrutUalBK
post May 7 2013, 06:49 AM
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Ok, I've been scanning this situation with Money vs Canelo over and over in my brain and I realized that now it seems Floyd will be staying at 147 since they stripped him of his belt at 154 and everyone seems to want him to go back up and face a bigger Alvarez (who walks around at 170/re-hydrates to the same weight on fight night) and there are those (Haters, mostly) who expects him to make the move back up and not do it at a CW but then those same (Haters, mostly) gave Manny Pac a pass when he took on an Old/way past it/Over-the-hill Oscar at 147 (a weight he hadn't been at in 9 years) for Manny's CW fight with him at WW.

So the questions are: Is there a Double Standard here?? And, if so, why does it exist for Floyd and not for Manny Pacquiao??

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daprofessor
post May 7 2013, 02:21 PM
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there is a double standard because most hold floyd to a higher standard than pac. also...floyd talks a much bigger game with his claim that he's the best ever. pac on the other hand never really said much and it was his bandwagon riders that placed him on the pedestal.

i said it in another post...and i'll say it here. he beats everyone from 140-154. if he wants to be considered the greatest of all time...he'll have to top the guys who have come before him who raised the bar. his 44 victories are impressive...but there are plenty who have done more than that in history. the opposition at his weight is not there for him to stake his claim. i always knew he would beat pac...so i don't believe that was ever the answer. he's got 5 fights left on his contract. i get the feeling legacy is not his concern. robbing the bank is...so don't expect any real challenges.
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post May 7 2013, 07:29 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 7 2013, 03:21 PM) *
there is a double standard because most hold floyd to a higher standard than pac. also...floyd talks a much bigger game with his claim that he's the best ever. pac on the other hand never really said much and it was his bandwagon riders that placed him on the pedestal.

i said it in another post...and i'll say it here. he beats everyone from 140-154. if he wants to be considered the greatest of all time...he'll have to top the guys who have come before him who raised the bar. his 44 victories are impressive...but there are plenty who have done more than that in history. the opposition at his weight is not there for him to stake his claim. i always knew he would beat pac...so i don't believe that was ever the answer. he's got 5 fights left on his contract. i get the feeling legacy is not his concern. robbing the bank is...so don't expect any real challenges.




Oooohhh, ya cant say that here. Anything contradictory to Floyd's Michael Jackson-like fan base, will get you branded as a hater,mostly. You cannot ask Mayweather to step up his comp and earn your place in history. You cant ask him to fight a guy who has a shot to KO him with one shot. You cant ask him to go up in weight. That would not be fair. He has to fight guys we know he will likely beat. Let him stay at 147 and fight Garcia and Alexander. I'll hold my PPV change in pocket, just like I did for Guerrero. Alvarez, Martinez and GGG, I'd gladly pay for. Hearns, Duran and Leonard dared to be great and challenged some people at higher weights.
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post May 7 2013, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (The Original MrFactor @ May 7 2013, 08:29 PM) *
Oooohhh, ya cant say that here. Anything contradictory to Floyd's Michael Jackson-like fan base, will get you branded as a hater,mostly. You cannot ask Mayweather to step up his comp and earn your place in history. You cant ask him to fight a guy who has a shot to KO him with one shot. You cant ask him to go up in weight. That would not be fair. He has to fight guys we know he will likely beat. Let him stay at 147 and fight Garcia and Alexander. I'll hold my PPV change in pocket, just like I did for Guerrero. Alvarez, Martinez and GGG, I'd gladly pay for. Hearns, Duran and Leonard dared to be great and challenged some people at higher weights.


those are all time greats that i'd rate over floyd.

modern guys like chavez, rjj and bhop can all make the case of more accomplishment.

chavez had 100 consecutive wins.

rjj went from middleweight all the way to heavy and won titles.

bhop unified and defended his middleweight crown more than 20 times...and went on to win world titles against heavier opposition all past the age of 40.

floyd has had a great run. he has looked good against the competition he was favored to beat. when was the last time he wasn't favored? that's what defines greatness imo, when you achieve the impossible. he's doing what he's supposed to against the opposition available....and i'll be the first to say...i didn't expect him to beat guerrero so easily, so i am very impressed with his victory over a guy i knew he would beat.

with only 5 fights left in his career....what statement does he make to stake his claim at best ever?


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- BrutUalBK   FLOYD and PAC   May 7 2013, 06:49 AM
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