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BrutUalBK
post May 7 2013, 06:49 AM
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Ok, I've been scanning this situation with Money vs Canelo over and over in my brain and I realized that now it seems Floyd will be staying at 147 since they stripped him of his belt at 154 and everyone seems to want him to go back up and face a bigger Alvarez (who walks around at 170/re-hydrates to the same weight on fight night) and there are those (Haters, mostly) who expects him to make the move back up and not do it at a CW but then those same (Haters, mostly) gave Manny Pac a pass when he took on an Old/way past it/Over-the-hill Oscar at 147 (a weight he hadn't been at in 9 years) for Manny's CW fight with him at WW.

So the questions are: Is there a Double Standard here?? And, if so, why does it exist for Floyd and not for Manny Pacquiao??

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mgrover
post May 7 2013, 03:45 PM
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I don't get why we still have posts about this,we get it Pac gets away with murder
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post May 7 2013, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ May 7 2013, 03:45 PM) *
I don't get why we still have posts about this,we get it Pac gets away with murder



Wow apparently reading comprehension is questionable here if all the focus turned to just a Floyd vs Pac debate when the point of this was the situation concerning Canelo and whether or not Floyd should fight him at a CW making him drop to 147? The comparison was to what/how Pac made DLH drain to 147 and how nobody made a big stink about it but I can guarantee if Money asks Alvarez to drop to 147 to fight him and he does accept and Mayweather wins then he (Floyd) will be ridiculed and accused of draining Saul to no end but when Pac did it to Oscar they paraded him as though he slayed one of the Klitschkos.

The comparison would be about this and not about Floyd vs Pac or how they are looked at in totality as fighters which is why the first part of my original post stated this:

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Ok, I've been scanning this situation with Money vs Canelo over and over in my brain and I realized that now it seems Floyd will be staying at 147 since they stripped him of his belt at 154 and everyone seems to want him to go back up and face a bigger Alvarez (who walks around at 170/re-hydrates to the same weight on fight night) and there are those (Haters, mostly) who expects him to make the move back up and not do it at a CW but then those same (Haters, mostly) gave Manny Pac a pass when he took on an Old/way past it/Over-the-hill Oscar at 147 (a weight he hadn't been at in 9 years) for Manny's CW fight with him at WW
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To which someone corrected me using the WBA's garbage SuperChamp BS rules which leaves Floyd with his title but exalted as "Super" champ.
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post May 8 2013, 01:35 AM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 7 2013, 11:51 PM) *
Wow apparently reading comprehension is questionable here if all the focus turned to just a Floyd vs Pac debate when the point of this was the situation concerning Canelo and whether or not Floyd should fight him at a CW making him drop to 147? The comparison was to what/how Pac made DLH drain to 147 and how nobody made a big stink about it but I can guarantee if Money asks Alvarez to drop to 147 to fight him and he does accept and Mayweather wins then he (Floyd) will be ridiculed and accused of draining Saul to no end but when Pac did it to Oscar they paraded him as though he slayed one of the Klitschkos.

The comparison would be about this and not about Floyd vs Pac or how they are looked at in totality as fighters which is why the first part of my original post stated this:

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To which someone corrected me using the WBA's garbage SuperChamp BS rules which leaves Floyd with his title but exalted as "Super" champ.


It's that if we want to remember a Pac vs Floyd debate we just look at ask the other ones we've had ever and there would be a fill of a lifetime. I ask again who chose the 147 weight class? At the time everyone thought DLH was going to destroy PAC


Oh I see, it's probably something to do with the fact the Oscar actually won the majority of his big fights at that weight all aside from Vargas
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post May 8 2013, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ May 8 2013, 01:35 AM) *
It's that if we want to remember a Pac vs Floyd debate we just look at ask the other ones we've had ever and there would be a fill of a lifetime. I ask again who chose the 147 weight class? At the time everyone thought DLH was going to destroy PAC


Oh I see, it's probably something to do with the fact the Oscar actually won the majority of his big fights at that weight all aside from Vargas
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This thread isn't a comparison of Floyd and Pac, it is actually a comparo of the situations should Floyd face Canelo at a CW or 147/WW and the fact that Pac drained Oscar to 147 and how fair it is or isn't?
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post May 8 2013, 05:01 PM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ May 8 2013, 09:20 PM) *
This thread isn't a comparison of Floyd and Pac, it is actually a comparo of the situations should Floyd face Canelo at a CW or 147/WW and the fact that Pac drained Oscar to 147 and how fair it is or isn't?


Fair enough, my bad, well can someone please answer my question, whose idea was it for Oscar to go down to 147? Was it him who said yeah I'll go to 147 or was it Arum. People are okay with that fight mainly because the majority of people thought that Pac was going to get destroyed, he was the actual underdog and came away with the victory. Sure Oscar was drained as fuck, but if Pac wasn't the one who made him drain, while going up two classes himself, Pac still came to the ring to win.

It's not fair in my opinion that Floyd has to fight a fighter at 180lb, but in my eyes, this isn't just a matter about Floyd, I think all fighters should have either same day weigh ins, or they can only be allowed to rehydrate to the next weight class. I mean vs Trout that kid weighed more than Martinez usually does and that says it all

According to this article is was Oscar who wanted to fight at 147lb

Manny Pac: The Catchweight King

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post May 9 2013, 11:04 AM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ May 8 2013, 05:01 PM) *
Fair enough, my bad, well can someone please answer my question, whose idea was it for Oscar to go down to 147? Was it him who said yeah I'll go to 147 or was it Arum. People are okay with that fight mainly because the majority of people thought that Pac was going to get destroyed, he was the actual underdog and came away with the victory. Sure Oscar was drained as fuck, but if Pac wasn't the one who made him drain, while going up two classes himself, Pac still came to the ring to win.

It's not fair in my opinion that Floyd has to fight a fighter at 180lb, but in my eyes, this isn't just a matter about Floyd, I think all fighters should have either same day weigh ins, or they can only be allowed to rehydrate to the next weight class. I mean vs Trout that kid weighed more than Martinez usually does and that says it all

According to this article is was Oscar who wanted to fight at 147lb

Manny Pac: The Catchweight King



I believe it was DLH that stated such because he knew MP wouldn't be able to make it to 154 and he said that he was comfortable at 147 which anyone who saw his fight with Forbes knew he wasn't but a shell of himself.

http://www.secondsout.com/columns/thomas-h...iness-of-boxing

Not everyone believed that Oscar would flatten Pac, people forget that little Valero had given DLH two black eyes in sparring and told everyone before that fight that Manny was going to KO Oscar.


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