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BrutUalBK
post May 7 2013, 06:49 AM
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Ok, I've been scanning this situation with Money vs Canelo over and over in my brain and I realized that now it seems Floyd will be staying at 147 since they stripped him of his belt at 154 and everyone seems to want him to go back up and face a bigger Alvarez (who walks around at 170/re-hydrates to the same weight on fight night) and there are those (Haters, mostly) who expects him to make the move back up and not do it at a CW but then those same (Haters, mostly) gave Manny Pac a pass when he took on an Old/way past it/Over-the-hill Oscar at 147 (a weight he hadn't been at in 9 years) for Manny's CW fight with him at WW.

So the questions are: Is there a Double Standard here?? And, if so, why does it exist for Floyd and not for Manny Pacquiao??

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post May 11 2013, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 11 2013, 01:34 PM) *
You know that there's a double standard here, and as much as Floyd's hated, he's held to this higher standard.

It's okay for Manny to drain guys (De La Hoya excluded), but if Floyd does the same, then it's some type of cardinal sin. I'm not quite sure if Manny had any of his opponents sign a rehydration clause, so I wont speak on that.

Fact is, Floyd cant do the things that Manny does with scrutiny. If he's been fighting 154 lbers at their comfortable weight, then it should remain that way.



Clause or no Clause Floyd beats Canelo... If Floyd decides to try and create this sort of stipulation I think it is not a bad thing for the sport overall. I remember Gatti coming under scrutiny for rehydrating and giving Joey Gamache permanent brain damage.. he was 20 pounds heavier than Gamache... it gives an unfair advantage. Same day weigh ins... rehydration clause... nothing wrong with them at all

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post May 11 2013, 12:45 PM
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QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 11 2013, 01:42 PM) *
Ok.. If Floyd decides to try and create this sort of stipulation I think it is not a bad thing. I remember Gatti coming under scrutiny for rehydrating and giving Joey Gamache permanent brain damage.. he was 20 pounds heavier than Gamache... it gives an unfair advantage. Same day weigh ins... rehydration clause... nothing wrong with them at all

I dont see it as a bad thing either, but again, we have to look at the person doing it. If any other fighter did it, it would be okay. If Floyd did it, then casual fans would get all up in arms about it.

I remember them making a big deal about Gatti rehydrating 20 lbs for some fight, but I never knew why. Again, if Floyd catches hell for requesting random drug testing to protect himself, then he'd catch the same crap for requesting a rehydration clause. We all know this. Lol
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post May 11 2013, 01:41 PM
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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ May 11 2013, 01:45 PM) *
I dont see it as a bad thing either, but again, we have to look at the person doing it. If any other fighter did it, it would be okay. If Floyd did it, then casual fans would get all up in arms about it.

I remember them making a big deal about Gatti rehydrating 20 lbs for some fight, but I never knew why. Again, if Floyd catches hell for requesting random drug testing to protect himself, then he'd catch the same crap for requesting a rehydration clause. We all know this. Lol


Where is all the backlash that you are talking about? I don't see much at all. I think it's all in your head man. The ironic thing is that it's the other way around. People on this board ripped Manny for fighting at CW's and now those seem people seem to be demanding Floyd fight Canelo at a CW. I have no problem with Floyd wanting a clause or a CW and I have no problem with Canelo saying no. I don't think 154 is an unreasonable weight for Mayweather to fight at as that was the weight where he met both Oscar and Cotto. And like the poster above me said, Canelo looks tired and at times sloppy b/c he has to break himself down to get to 154. That will obviously benefit the Mayweather we saw with fresh legs against RG.
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post May 11 2013, 02:16 PM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ May 11 2013, 01:41 PM) *
Where is all the backlash that you are talking about? I don't see much at all. I think it's all in your head man. The ironic thing is that it's the other way around. People on this board ripped Manny for fighting at CW's and now those seem people seem to be demanding Floyd fight Canelo at a CW. I have no problem with Floyd wanting a clause or a CW and I have no problem with Canelo saying no. I don't think 154 is an unreasonable weight for Mayweather to fight at as that was the weight where he met both Oscar and Cotto. And like the poster above me said, Canelo looks tired and at times sloppy b/c he has to break himself down to get to 154. That will obviously benefit the Mayweather we saw with fresh legs against RG.


The point of this thread is that MP was allowed to get a CW fight (many in fact) without anyone making a big deal about it but just like you're doing (screaming about it) I, personally see no big deal in it. Canelo re-hydrates to 170 on fight night and while you're claiming that Floyd fought twice at 154 the fact of the matter is that he never made it up that high at all and then on those particular fight nights came in at or around the WW limit.

Is it fair that Floyd has been asked to do more but Manny is given a pass and have people screaming out how the "little guy" (Pac) beat up these bigger guys?? Why can't Floyd fight Canelo at a CW of 151 when we know he'll rehydrate to over 165 come fight night??
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