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BrutUalBK
post May 7 2013, 06:49 AM
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Ok, I've been scanning this situation with Money vs Canelo over and over in my brain and I realized that now it seems Floyd will be staying at 147 since they stripped him of his belt at 154 and everyone seems to want him to go back up and face a bigger Alvarez (who walks around at 170/re-hydrates to the same weight on fight night) and there are those (Haters, mostly) who expects him to make the move back up and not do it at a CW but then those same (Haters, mostly) gave Manny Pac a pass when he took on an Old/way past it/Over-the-hill Oscar at 147 (a weight he hadn't been at in 9 years) for Manny's CW fight with him at WW.

So the questions are: Is there a Double Standard here?? And, if so, why does it exist for Floyd and not for Manny Pacquiao??

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post May 11 2013, 09:53 AM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 10 2013, 01:22 AM) *
Alvarez don't want to do the catch weight, he's trying to dictate the negotiations as if he's accomplished what Mayweather has. I'm not going to say that he doesn't have any bargaining chips but he doesn't hold the keys to the car like those around him are telling him. His stamina issues will be his downfall, he presents a challenge for Floyd but I think Floyd will get in his rhythm and frustrate Canelo en route to a UD

I'm really hoping this fight comes off so Canelo and his camp can STFU






Canelo's irational thinking you speak of is a sign of mental weakness. I would have more respect for him if he came of humble and saying he is willing to do anything to get a fight with and beat the best fighter in the world... He is 22 for God's sake and has not beaten anyone of note.. (Trout was a draw at best) and Mosley was like an old sturdy of piece of steel in a junk yard.. Canelo trying to come off like he can dictate to Floyd reflects a certain mental weakness in evading reality. He is still somewhat Greene and can be taken into deep waters and DROWNED for sure by someone as cagey as FLOYD due his stamina issues. He seems to have that "fatty gene" Hopkins spoke of prior to facing Delahoya and actually prophesying that fatty gene being his ultimate undoing by shots to the liver. I would love to see how Sr and Floyd go about breaking Canelo down with jabs and straight rights to the body... softening up that pudgy looking core and setting him up for a stoppage. Canelo fought a great deal in retreat against Trout who pressed the action landing shots but nothing that could hurt Canelo. It was the body work that Trout was able to do that forced Canelo into a defensive mode and Floyd proves each time out that he his an underrated but damned good body puncher. Floyd doesn't get credit in this department, but he has a great way of getting at the opposition's body. Canelo better pump his breaks. In September he gets his ass kicked. If the fight is made later toward Mayweather getting out of the sport he will not lose as emphatically or dramatically. A loss in September, even being stopped will not hurt his career at all

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post May 11 2013, 11:56 PM
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QUOTE (neophyte7 @ May 11 2013, 09:53 AM) *
Canelo's irational thinking you speak of is a sign of mental weakness. I would have more respect for him if he came of humble and saying he is willing to do anything to get a fight with and beat the best fighter in the world... He is 22 for God's sake and has not beaten anyone of note.. (Trout was a draw at best) and Mosley was like an old sturdy of piece of steel in a junk yard.. Canelo trying to come off like he can dictate to Floyd reflects a certain mental weakness in evading reality. He is still somewhat Greene and can be taken into deep waters and DROWNED for sure by someone as cagey as FLOYD due his stamina issues. He seems to have that "fatty gene" Hopkins spoke of prior to facing Delahoya and actually prophesying that fatty gene being his ultimate undoing by shots to the liver. I would love to see how Sr and Floyd go about breaking Canelo down with jabs and straight rights to the body... softening up that pudgy looking core and setting him up for a stoppage. Canelo fought a great deal in retreat against Trout who pressed the action landing shots but nothing that could hurt Canelo. It was the body work that Trout was able to do that forced Canelo into a defensive mode and Floyd proves each time out that he his an underrated but damned good body puncher. Floyd doesn't get credit in this department, but he has a great way of getting at the opposition's body. Canelo better pump his breaks. In September he gets his ass kicked. If the fight is made later toward Mayweather getting out of the sport he will not lose as emphatically or dramatically. A loss in September, even being stopped will not hurt his career at all


I also believe he is still very green, Canelo is going to have to put on the performance of his life to beat Mayweather and I don't see it in him. His stamina is a big problem, he improved defensively in the Trout fight but I still believe he gets hit with shots that he shouldn't get hit with and he doesn't commit to fighting 3mins of every round. He's a part time fighter in there. Trout was getting to him and I actually had Trout winning that fight by a point. Lopez was tagging him at times, hell, even Cintron was getting him

I don't know who puts these bugs in Canelo's ear but he thinks he's bigger then he actually is. To me his biggest bargaining chip is that he's the best opponent for Mayweather at the moment
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 11 2013, 11:56 PM) *
I also believe he is still very green, Canelo is going to have to put on the performance of his life to beat Mayweather and I don't see it in him. His stamina is a big problem, he improved defensively in the Trout fight but I still believe he gets hit with shots that he shouldn't get hit with and he doesn't commit to fighting 3mins of every round. He's a part time fighter in there. Trout was getting to him and I actually had Trout winning that fight by a point. Lopez was tagging him at times, hell, even Cintron was getting him

I don't know who puts these bugs in Canelo's ear but he thinks he's bigger then he actually is. To me his biggest bargaining chip is that he's the best opponent for Mayweather at the moment

is that because he's fighting at a weight he shouldn't be at?
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