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> Whos in the right?, Canelo not budging from 154 Floyd not budging from 147
logicalThinker
post May 16 2013, 05:14 PM
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Richard came out and said there is no weight issue but clearly he said it so negotiations wont be n the media. However i jus wanna know if you were the promoter who would you be pushing to budge from their position of weight.
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hitman
post May 16 2013, 07:43 PM
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canelo is a 154 champion looking to fight another 154 champion, who happens to be the biggest draw in the sport, at 154. how can he be in the wrong? he wants what any fighter would want.


floyd is wrong for asking for 147. he knows canelo can't make that. if he don't want to fight him, just say so and drop the 154 belt.
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post May 16 2013, 08:38 PM
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QUOTE (hitman @ May 16 2013, 05:43 PM) *
canelo is a 154 champion looking to fight another 154 champion, who happens to be the biggest draw in the sport, at 154. how can he be in the wrong? he wants what any fighter would want.


floyd is wrong for asking for 147. he knows canelo can't make that. if he don't want to fight him, just say so and drop the 154 belt.


Floyd is a 17 year veteran with world titles in 5 different weight classes. He has fought big names in the five respected divisions and he is the highest paid athlete without any endorsements. Who the fuck does Canelo think he is or is talking to. Just like how Floyd had to move up in weight to get the big money fight with oscar, Saul better be willing to do the same. if he can drain light weights and jr. welter weighs to fight him how come he can't sacrifice the same thing? He hasn't done shit to be demanding anything. He should be fighting other 154 fighters!
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post May 16 2013, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 16 2013, 08:38 PM) *
Floyd is a 17 year veteran with world titles in 5 different weight classes. He has fought big names in the five respected divisions and he is the highest paid athlete without any endorsements. Who the fuck does Canelo think he is or is talking to. Just like how Floyd had to move up in weight to get the big money fight with oscar, Saul better be willing to do the same. if he can drain light weights and jr. welter weighs to fight him how come he can't sacrifice the same thing? He hasn't done shit to be demanding anything. He should be fighting other 154 fighters!


what is even the point of this fight if canelo has to make 147? he'd have no chance and floyd would get no credit.

so he wants a fight at 154, a weight that both guys are champions in, what is out of line about that? his manager said they offered a CW and were rejected.

of course floyd doesn't have to fight him. just say you don't want to fight him. drop the belt. and never again talk about size don't win fights and how you'd never make a guy weaken himself for a fight.

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post May 17 2013, 01:10 AM
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QUOTE (hitman @ May 16 2013, 09:19 PM) *
what is even the point of this fight if canelo has to make 147? he'd have no chance and floyd would get no credit.

so he wants a fight at 154, a weight that both guys are champions in, what is out of line about that? his manager said they offered a CW and were rejected.

of course floyd doesn't have to fight him. just say you don't want to fight him. drop the belt. and never again talk about size don't win fights and how you'd never make a guy weaken himself for a fight.


If your going to critique then you should critique both sides. Canelo hasn't done anything of note to warrant such demands. You sound like the people around him. I truly believe that the idiots he calls managers and trainers are filling his head with delusions that he's bigger then what he really is. Not many casual fans know who he is and tell me who he's beaten..I don't count Trout because I felt he lost that fight. He's made a career off of beating up smaller fighters. Cintron and Lopez had no business being in the ring with Canelo. And they had moments against him

Mayweather is at the top of the sport of boxing whether some like it or not. He's the boss, so in my mind he's in the right. Canelo needs to keep putting in the work and I believe the fight will come and I think it does take place at 154 eventually but not this year. Like I said Mayweather's the boss and in this situation Canelo is like the employee. How the fuck an employee gon dictate to the CEO. Where they do that at? If your going to make a point against Mayweather you should look at the case against Canelo too
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post May 17 2013, 09:57 AM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 17 2013, 02:10 AM) *
If your going to critique then you should critique both sides. Canelo hasn't done anything of note to warrant such demands. You sound like the people around him. I truly believe that the idiots he calls managers and trainers are filling his head with delusions that he's bigger then what he really is. Not many casual fans know who he is and tell me who he's beaten..I don't count Trout because I felt he lost that fight. He's made a career off of beating up smaller fighters. Cintron and Lopez had no business being in the ring with Canelo. And they had moments against him

Mayweather is at the top of the sport of boxing whether some like it or not. He's the boss, so in my mind he's in the right. Canelo needs to keep putting in the work and I believe the fight will come and I think it does take place at 154 eventually but not this year. Like I said Mayweather's the boss and in this situation Canelo is like the employee. How the fuck an employee gon dictate to the CEO. Where they do that at? If your going to make a point against Mayweather you should look at the case against Canelo too



So a 154 pound fighter wanting a fight at 154 is making a demand? There is a huge difference between making a demand and getting on your knees for a guy. Canelo can't make 147. I think he could do a CW but that hasn't been talked about. Foyd's camp is saying the fight has to be at 147 and that just isn't reasonable.
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post May 18 2013, 01:41 AM
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QUOTE (KOpower @ May 17 2013, 09:57 AM) *
So a 154 pound fighter wanting a fight at 154 is making a demand? There is a huge difference between making a demand and getting on your knees for a guy. Canelo can't make 147. I think he could do a CW but that hasn't been talked about. Foyd's camp is saying the fight has to be at 147 and that just isn't reasonable.


What I'm saying as far as demand is that his head is full of hot air and he hasn't earned the right in my opinion to attempt to dictate terms. Name who he has beaten because I see a few of you on here who rally for Canelo like he's the red headed Jesus. Quick, name his stellar list of opposition lol...He fought Trout and many people including myself felt he lost that fight

What has he done to warrant the fight? I ridiculed Guerrero on here about his opposition to getting a Floyd fight, and I think he deseved it more then Canelo. I don't give him credit for beating up on fighters who are junior welters and lightweights. He stepped up and fought a natural 54lber and I felt he lost. 147 is unreasonable and I do believe they will fight at 154 but I don't think that Canelo will be allowed to re-hydrate up to 172lbs. He's going to have to take it how it's given to him or step. When your the boss you call the shots, I see it's a lot of employees on here so I'll leave it alone
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post May 18 2013, 09:13 AM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ May 18 2013, 02:41 AM) *
What I'm saying as far as demand is that his head is full of hot air and he hasn't earned the right in my opinion to attempt to dictate terms. Name who he has beaten because I see a few of you on here who rally for Canelo like he's the red headed Jesus. Quick, name his stellar list of opposition lol...He fought Trout and many people including myself felt he lost that fight

What has he done to warrant the fight? I ridiculed Guerrero on here about his opposition to getting a Floyd fight, and I think he deseved it more then Canelo. I don't give him credit for beating up on fighters who are junior welters and lightweights. He stepped up and fought a natural 54lber and I felt he lost. 147 is unreasonable and I do believe they will fight at 154 but I don't think that Canelo will be allowed to re-hydrate up to 172lbs. He's going to have to take it how it's given to him or step. When your the boss you call the shots, I see it's a lot of employees on here so I'll leave it alone


Let's get this out of the way. I agree that Canelo can not dictate terms. I agree with you on that. Let's move on to the point we seem to disagree on.

How is a 154 pound fighter not being able to fight at 147 "dictating terms"? He literally can't drop down to 147. Floyd's camp making that request isn't reasonable. Now I can agree with a CW fight if Canelo can get down to 151 or 150 but in the past Mayweather said that he would never do a CW fight. I don't know if Mayweather would be up for that.

As far as what he has done to warrant the fight, he is coming off of a huge win over a very good Austin Trout. Canelo is a big/strong 154 pound fighter with really good power and quick hands. Is that enough? I think so considering Floyd's last fight was with a guy who had only beaten Andre Berto. When you look at the resume of fighters like Victor Ortiz and Robert Guerrero then you can understand why Canelo's resume might be enough.

Saying that Canelo has to take what's given to him is silly if Canelo physically can't do it. Floyd can't call the shots on something Canelo can't do. If Floyd is making such an unreasonable request, the only thing I can think of is that he doesn't really want the fight.
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