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Dolimite
post May 29 2013, 09:57 AM
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Before I even begin my thought on the topic let me make this disclaimer: I think Manny is a great bawler but not boxer I do not dislike Manny but I HATE his fans, especially the disillusioned ones.

Looking at overall boxing skills Manny Pacquiao has a lot left to be desired. He doesn't know how to turn his opponent, he has no idea how to roll a punch and his jab makes me want to scream. His foot work is so so and his ring IQ is average at best. He doesn't have a game plan when it comes to boxing against boxers but looks spectacular against brawlers. I actually because a fan of Manny's after his fight with Macro Antonio Barrera. I was amazed how heavy handed he was. Then after seeing him fight I realized that he was a pure slugger and saw his opponents and thought "wait a second, this guy has yet to fight a boxer." When he did finally fought a boxer I was amazed to see how much he lacks in boxing skills. His fights with Juan Manuel and Clottely proved to me that he can not handle or does not know how to box, this proved especially true with Bradley. Again Manny is a great slugger but boxer I would say he is a B level fighter. A complete fighter can do it all. Sergio Martinez, Ward, Dawson, Hopkins, Mikey Garcia, Mares, Mayweather, and the list goes on. I just do not see Manny as a boxer, I see him as pure homerun hitter.

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post May 30 2013, 04:10 PM
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I think Manny is/was a A- level fighter at 130 and below. He would have been A+ for me had he fought Morales' prime conquerer in Raheem instead of a washed up Morales. Nonetheless, he has hall of fame and legendary fighters on his resume. I would say he's a B+/A- fighter above 130. He's one of best volume punchers I ever seen and to his credit had a promoter who matched him up terribly after Cotto. Being KO'd by one of the greatest fighters in boxing history and the 2nd best Mexican fighter in history is no shame on him. Counter punchers and guys who can turn him are his achilles heel.

I guarantee you if he destroys Rios like I believe he will and maybe the first to stop a guy with a granite chin you'll hop on the bandwagon.
If only Manny was a smart businessman he would be a bigger star (possibly) and his resume at above 130 would be better. I always thought he should have stayed at 140 and cleaned the division out. The only guys at the time that could give him a hard time or lose to would be either Bradley or Koltenik.

Matter fact I'm going to make a thread on that.
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post May 30 2013, 05:53 PM
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QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 30 2013, 04:10 PM) *
I think Manny is/was a A- level fighter at 130 and below. He would have been A+ for me had he fought Morales' prime conquerer in Raheem instead of a washed up Morales. Nonetheless, he has hall of fame and legendary fighters on his resume. I would say he's a B+/A- fighter above 130. He's one of best volume punchers I ever seen and to his credit had a promoter who matched him up terribly after Cotto. Being KO'd by one of the greatest fighters in boxing history and the 2nd best Mexican fighter in history is no shame on him. Counter punchers and guys who can turn him are his achilles heel.

I guarantee you if he destroys Rios like I believe he will and maybe the first to stop a guy with a granite chin you'll hop on the bandwagon.
If only Manny was a smart businessman he would be a bigger star (possibly) and his resume at above 130 would be better. I always thought he should have stayed at 140 and cleaned the division out. The only guys at the time that could give him a hard time or lose to would be either Bradley or Koltenik.

Matter fact I'm going to make a thread on that.


arum did right by him by keeping him away from guzman, valero, raheem and guys like that. pac was outboxed by morales in the first fight and would have been out boxed by some of the more skilled boxers with good movement.
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post May 30 2013, 07:30 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 30 2013, 06:53 PM) *
arum did right by him by keeping him away from guzman, valero, raheem and guys like that. pac was outboxed by morales in the first fight and would have been out boxed by some of the more skilled boxers with good movement.


So guys like valero would have outboxed him? I can understand why Teaml Pac ducked Raheem or Guzman but Valero would have been a war as oong as it lasted with edge going to Edwin. Lose or win I give Pac a bit of an edge since at that weight and time he had power and constant punching.
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post May 31 2013, 10:13 AM
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QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 30 2013, 08:30 PM) *
So guys like valero would have outboxed him? I can understand why Teaml Pac ducked Raheem or Guzman but Valero would have been a war as oong as it lasted with edge going to Edwin. Lose or win I give Pac a bit of an edge since at that weight and time he had power and constant punching.


Me thinks Valero would've fed off his carcass. Guzman was all sorts of wrong for him and I get that. However, a Valero fight would have to be censored from the general public.....it would've been that crazy.
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- Dolimite   Is Manny Pacquiao A B Level Fighter?   May 29 2013, 09:57 AM
- - mgrover   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 03:57 PM) ...   May 29 2013, 11:16 AM
- - KOpower   He is one of the greats of his era. This is like t...   May 29 2013, 12:09 PM
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|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (blackrican23 @ Jun 6 2013, 12:52 A...   Jun 6 2013, 09:36 AM
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|- - Dolimite   [quote name='daprofessor' date='Jun 6 ...   Jun 6 2013, 10:05 PM
- - MaxPayne   This is the FIGHT game. Just because a fighter d...   May 29 2013, 01:16 PM
- - Jack 1000   No, His dominance and moving up in weight is far ...   May 29 2013, 01:18 PM
- - mex4life   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 09:57 AM) ...   May 29 2013, 02:03 PM
- - daprofessor   pacquiao's accomplishment at 130 and below qua...   May 29 2013, 03:56 PM
- - jtiizzle   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 07:57 AM) ...   May 29 2013, 04:38 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (jtiizzle @ May 29 2013, 02:38 PM) ...   May 29 2013, 05:08 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 11:08 PM) ...   May 29 2013, 06:18 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mex4life @ May 29 2013, 11:03 AM) ...   May 29 2013, 10:45 PM
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|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 30 2013, 04:45 AM) ...   May 30 2013, 07:37 AM
- - sduck   I would say an A- fighter.   May 29 2013, 11:26 PM
- - mrwigi   We will have to wait and see how he looks over his...   May 30 2013, 12:53 AM
- - mrchitown   He's not a B-level fighter, not even with the ...   May 30 2013, 02:36 AM
- - un01   As of right now, we have no idea what level Manny ...   May 30 2013, 05:29 AM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mex4life @ May 29 2013, 11:48 PM) ...   May 30 2013, 08:08 AM
- - checkleft   I think he's a lot like mike tyson, great ente...   May 30 2013, 09:27 AM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (checkleft @ May 30 2013, 07:27 AM)...   May 30 2013, 11:33 AM
|- - KOpower   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 30 2013, 12:33 PM) ...   May 30 2013, 07:06 PM
- - checkleft   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 30 2013, 11:33 AM) ...   May 30 2013, 03:03 PM
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|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (pacco_diablo @ May 30 2013, 03:32 ...   May 30 2013, 03:35 PM
- - BoxingEinstein   I think Manny is/was a A- level fighter at 130 and...   May 30 2013, 04:10 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 30 2013, 04:1...   May 30 2013, 05:53 PM
|- - BoxingEinstein   QUOTE (daprofessor @ May 30 2013, 06:53 P...   May 30 2013, 07:30 PM
|- - bnoles4life   QUOTE (BoxingEinstein @ May 30 2013, 08:3...   May 31 2013, 10:13 AM
- - Dolimite   What I am hearing is that Manny is an ATG. So woul...   May 31 2013, 10:54 AM
- - Plah   B   Jun 2 2013, 04:57 PM
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|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 6 2013, 11:33 AM) I...   Jun 6 2013, 03:28 PM
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