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Dolimite
post May 29 2013, 09:57 AM
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Before I even begin my thought on the topic let me make this disclaimer: I think Manny is a great bawler but not boxer I do not dislike Manny but I HATE his fans, especially the disillusioned ones.

Looking at overall boxing skills Manny Pacquiao has a lot left to be desired. He doesn't know how to turn his opponent, he has no idea how to roll a punch and his jab makes me want to scream. His foot work is so so and his ring IQ is average at best. He doesn't have a game plan when it comes to boxing against boxers but looks spectacular against brawlers. I actually because a fan of Manny's after his fight with Macro Antonio Barrera. I was amazed how heavy handed he was. Then after seeing him fight I realized that he was a pure slugger and saw his opponents and thought "wait a second, this guy has yet to fight a boxer." When he did finally fought a boxer I was amazed to see how much he lacks in boxing skills. His fights with Juan Manuel and Clottely proved to me that he can not handle or does not know how to box, this proved especially true with Bradley. Again Manny is a great slugger but boxer I would say he is a B level fighter. A complete fighter can do it all. Sergio Martinez, Ward, Dawson, Hopkins, Mikey Garcia, Mares, Mayweather, and the list goes on. I just do not see Manny as a boxer, I see him as pure homerun hitter.

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post Jun 7 2013, 11:55 AM
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QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jun 7 2013, 05:49 AM) *
Yeah i hear u but it is sheer stupidity to enter into a forum as a Noob and outright attack anyone by ASSuming they do not know or have an adequate response to a question simply because they wasn't one of the first ones to respond. Some of us have a life and a career and do not live their entire lives on this forum as it appears blackrican does.


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QUOTE (Cshel86 @ Jun 7 2013, 06:01 AM) *
*snaps finger*

Damn, i was hoping that nobody noticed.

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David Haye wanted to be heard, and what did he do? He talked his way into a BIG fight and got us all excited. What did he do from the opening to the final bell? Disappoint us all. Robert Guerrero wanted to be heard, and what did he do? He talked his way into a BIG fight. What did he do from the opening to the final bell? Disappoint us all.

Point is, if somebody hasn't even been here for 5 minutes, but comes out the gate insulting people, then at least attempt to convince us that you're a good poster first. If not, then at least not start a battle, and come unarmed. Smh


Well said bro. I agree, sometimes I just like to be the peace maker instead of the shit starter.

QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 7 2013, 06:54 AM) *
no he skill clearly isn't, but that doesn't mean he didn't beat some of the elite in brutal fashion.

He beat those elite fighters with wide wide wide stipulations. Let's not front. His defense is sub par, his footwork needs help, he can't properly walk done opponents, he can't cut the ring off, he does not set traps or knows how to get out of them (see Marquez and Bradley). he is a great brawler but a sub average boxer. Mike Tyson knocked people out in great fashion but the moment he fought fighters with ring IQ and boxing skill, it was over. there is more to boxing then KOs. If that is teh case Gattie is an ATG
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post Jun 7 2013, 04:52 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 7 2013, 11:55 AM) *
He beat those elite fighters with wide wide wide stipulations. Let's not front. His defense is sub par, his footwork needs help, he can't properly walk done opponents, he can't cut the ring off, he does not set traps or knows how to get out of them (see Marquez and Bradley). he is a great brawler but a sub average boxer. Mike Tyson knocked people out in great fashion but the moment he fought fighters with ring IQ and boxing skill, it was over. there is more to boxing then KOs. If that is teh case Gattie is an ATG


Stop diminishing what Tyson did. Pacquiao has his achievements and so does Mike, but this shit you speak of about Tysons is making my head hurt. You making it sound like Tysons had no skill and intelligence at all. Tysons had trouble with fighters with length, case in point a fighter like Lennox and he always would have a tough fight on his hands with a prime Lennox but a Tyson with Cus and or Rooney in his corner would do damage. We probably wouldn't even speak of Tyson in the way we do now if he would've stayed with Rooney
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post Jun 7 2013, 05:45 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 7 2013, 02:52 PM) *
Stop diminishing what Tyson did. Pacquiao has his achievements and so does Mike, but this shit you speak of about Tysons is making my head hurt. You making it sound like Tysons had no skill and intelligence at all. Tysons had trouble with fighters with length, case in point a fighter like Lennox and he always would have a tough fight on his hands with a prime Lennox but a Tyson with Cus and or Rooney in his corner would do damage. We probably wouldn't even speak of Tyson in the way we do now if he would've stayed with Rooney

Tyson is a good fighter but what was his strength? His knock out punching power. Let's not pretend we remember Tyson for setting traps and cutting off the ring. He was a home run hitter. Tyson is a smart fighter but do we remember Tyson for his ring IQ, fuck no. Why are we trying to pretend like Tyson wasn't a brawler? Shit is ridiculous.

Cotto bitched about the two pounds and again giving credit to a smaller fighter is BS. I am sorry. The reason why Pac's face look the way it did after Margarito is because mighty mouse HAS NO DEFENSE He did not slip those slow ass punches Margarito was throwing. A good fighter with sound defense would not Margarito get to him. He did not avoid those punches instead he just took them on his chin. The power puncher won that fight. That fight was hardly technical, they stood toe to toe and slugged it out. Again Gatti did that his whole damn career. Rios is doing that now. Rios isn't a big guy and he has fought bigger guys than he so can we make him out to be an A level fighter? Hell no!
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post Jun 8 2013, 05:12 AM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 7 2013, 11:45 PM) *
Tyson is a good fighter but what was his strength? His knock out punching power. Let's not pretend we remember Tyson for setting traps and cutting off the ring. He was a home run hitter. Tyson is a smart fighter but do we remember Tyson for his ring IQ, fuck no. Why are we trying to pretend like Tyson wasn't a brawler? Shit is ridiculous.

Cotto bitched about the two pounds and again giving credit to a smaller fighter is BS. I am sorry. The reason why Pac's face look the way it did after Margarito is because mighty mouse HAS NO DEFENSE He did not slip those slow ass punches Margarito was throwing. A good fighter with sound defense would not Margarito get to him. He did not avoid those punches instead he just took them on his chin. The power puncher won that fight. That fight was hardly technical, they stood toe to toe and slugged it out. Again Gatti did that his whole damn career. Rios is doing that now. Rios isn't a big guy and he has fought bigger guys than he so can we make him out to be an A level fighter? Hell no!


Its not just fighting bigger guys but beating them. Rios has fought one bigger guy which is Alvarado. I don't really care about the 8 divisions bullshit, it's the fact he made his way up and beat bigger guys, why can't he be A level for that? Sure he relied a lot of athleticism but people win fights not bodies.

Whats more is if he was just your standard A brawler, when fighting someone like Marquez or Barrera or Morales he'd of lost flat out. When he clearly wasn't sure he isn't what you call an A level boxer, but he beat some of the best and was regarded as either the best in the world or second best depending which camp you really fell in, all from according to you a B level fighter.

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post Jun 8 2013, 08:03 AM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Jun 8 2013, 02:12 AM) *
Its not just fighting bigger guys but beating them. Rios has fought one bigger guy which is Alvarado. I don't really care about the 8 divisions bullshit, it's the fact he made his way up and beat bigger guys, why can't he be A level for that? Sure he relied a lot of athleticism but people win fights not bodies.

Whats more is if he was just your standard A brawler, when fighting someone like Marquez or Barrera or Morales he'd of lost flat out. When he clearly wasn't sure he isn't what you call an A level boxer, but he beat some of the best and was regarded as either the best in the world or second best depending which camp you really fell in, all from according to you a B level fighter.

How did he beat these fighters? Was through his boxing skills or going toe to toe? He re-matched Morales ten months later and Barrera 4 years later! Many say that Barrera won the rematch. Come on mgrover. Because he is short you want to give him credit. Okay, then Spud Webb is the greatest point guard in all of the NBA. He was short and he had to compete with guys way smaller than he was. He even defended Jordan. Muggsy Bogues was also short, does that make him an all time great? This perception of Manny being great because he beat bigger guys is a load of crap, many boxers have beaten guys bigger who were bigger than them. Again, Rios is a small man, he fights like Pac, how come he doesn't get the same credit? Pac had to fight the same guy 4 times and got his ass put to bed the last time which proves to me he may had won all 3 matches. He won two of them for sure. the 3rd and 4th fight. Again, he was nicely and perfectly matched against guys who fit his style. I am sorry he is a B level fighter and a A level brawler.
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post Jun 8 2013, 03:26 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jun 8 2013, 02:03 PM) *
How did he beat these fighters? Was through his boxing skills or going toe to toe? He re-matched Morales ten months later and Barrera 4 years later! Many say that Barrera won the rematch. Come on mgrover. Because he is short you want to give him credit. Okay, then Spud Webb is the greatest point guard in all of the NBA. He was short and he had to compete with guys way smaller than he was. He even defended Jordan. Muggsy Bogues was also short, does that make him an all time great? This perception of Manny being great because he beat bigger guys is a load of crap, many boxers have beaten guys bigger who were bigger than them. Again, Rios is a small man, he fights like Pac, how come he doesn't get the same credit? Pac had to fight the same guy 4 times and got his ass put to bed the last time which proves to me he may had won all 3 matches. He won two of them for sure. the 3rd and 4th fight. Again, he was nicely and perfectly matched against guys who fit his style. I am sorry he is a B level fighter and a A level brawler.


who cares how he beat them?? If your good enough to beat the best through brawling why should that take away from it? If I outbrawl Mayweather and beat his ass is that less of an achievement than outboxing him? No because I had my hand raised up the at the end of the fight. To an extent winning is winning and thats it. I don't really follow NBA so thats lost on me. I'll say this again, Rios doesn't get credit because he's beaten nobody yet, if he moves through the weights and makes it to welterweight and super welterweight beating some of the top guys in brutal fashion then sure have him up there.
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- Dolimite   Is Manny Pacquiao A B Level Fighter?   May 29 2013, 09:57 AM
- - mgrover   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 03:57 PM) ...   May 29 2013, 11:16 AM
- - KOpower   He is one of the greats of his era. This is like t...   May 29 2013, 12:09 PM
|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (KOpower @ May 29 2013, 12:09 PM) H...   May 30 2013, 01:42 PM
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|- - Cshel86   QUOTE (blackrican23 @ Jun 6 2013, 12:52 A...   Jun 6 2013, 09:36 AM
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|- - Dolimite   [quote name='daprofessor' date='Jun 6 ...   Jun 6 2013, 10:05 PM
- - MaxPayne   This is the FIGHT game. Just because a fighter d...   May 29 2013, 01:16 PM
- - Jack 1000   No, His dominance and moving up in weight is far ...   May 29 2013, 01:18 PM
- - mex4life   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 09:57 AM) ...   May 29 2013, 02:03 PM
- - daprofessor   pacquiao's accomplishment at 130 and below qua...   May 29 2013, 03:56 PM
- - jtiizzle   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 07:57 AM) ...   May 29 2013, 04:38 PM
|- - Dolimite   QUOTE (jtiizzle @ May 29 2013, 02:38 PM) ...   May 29 2013, 05:08 PM
|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 29 2013, 11:08 PM) ...   May 29 2013, 06:18 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mex4life @ May 29 2013, 11:03 AM) ...   May 29 2013, 10:45 PM
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|- - mgrover   QUOTE (Dolimite @ May 30 2013, 04:45 AM) ...   May 30 2013, 07:37 AM
- - sduck   I would say an A- fighter.   May 29 2013, 11:26 PM
- - mrwigi   We will have to wait and see how he looks over his...   May 30 2013, 12:53 AM
- - mrchitown   He's not a B-level fighter, not even with the ...   May 30 2013, 02:36 AM
- - un01   As of right now, we have no idea what level Manny ...   May 30 2013, 05:29 AM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (mex4life @ May 29 2013, 11:48 PM) ...   May 30 2013, 08:08 AM
- - checkleft   I think he's a lot like mike tyson, great ente...   May 30 2013, 09:27 AM
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- - BoxingEinstein   I think Manny is/was a A- level fighter at 130 and...   May 30 2013, 04:10 PM
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- - mgrover   He's clearly A level and elite and had one hec...   Jun 7 2013, 06:54 AM
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