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post Jun 17 2013, 08:37 AM
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So the rumors are true about ward wanting to get out of his contract with Dan. Now there is more rumors saying Wards first choice for a promoter would be top rank. Makes sense since hes an HBO fighter, prince has some ties to top rank, and ward also commentates on HBO. Also most of the MW, SMW, and LHW are on HBO.

And here of course is the elephant in the room, Chavez is under TR.

Is this a good move? Bad move? Smart? Did Andre get rattled by froch and floyds comments about him not being able to sell? Thoughts...
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post Jun 17 2013, 08:31 PM
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Froch wasn't even able to get under his skin when they were facing off in the super six and that Floyd stuff I doubt got to him as well. He isn't a man who is rattled by what others say, if that was the case then some of the comments the fans make about him would've caused him to fight like Bradley did against Provdnikov.

The guy is approaching 30 and he should be in meaningful fights, he has been signaling for quite some time that he wants a change. I think that J prince may be out also because he's been doing some interviews where he's voiced his displeasure with his services as well. But TR isn't a good move in my view because Arum has blasted the black fan base numerous times and his track record with r black fighters is sketchy. True Ward embodies what Arum and TR look for in black fighters but so did Bradley and look where that got him.

I think he should try to go it alone and do it on his own terms. Too many fighters leave their career in the hands of the promoters, he's an Indian who should be a chief.
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post Jun 17 2013, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 17 2013, 09:31 PM) *
Froch wasn't even able to get under his skin when they were facing off in the super six and that Floyd stuff I doubt got to him as well. He isn't a man who is rattled by what others say, if that was the case then some of the comments the fans make about him would've caused him to fight like Bradley did against Provdnikov.

The guy is approaching 30 and he should be in meaningful fights, he has been signaling for quite some time that he wants a change. I think that J prince may be out also because he's been doing some interviews where he's voiced his displeasure with his services as well. But TR isn't a good move in my view because Arum has blasted the black fan base numerous times and his track record with r black fighters is sketchy. True Ward embodies what Arum and TR look for in black fighters but so did Bradley and look where that got him.

I think he should try to go it alone and do it on his own terms. Too many fighters leave their career in the hands of the promoters, he's an Indian who should be a chief.


i think the difference between bradley and ward though is that bradley was second fiddle to pacquiao. i don't believe arum has anyone at 168. but now that u mention it...i could see chavez moving there in the near future and ward having to play second fiddle to him.

going it alone can be risky. he'll be puttin up his own money...and that's a lot of work when you don't have an al haymon on your team. i can't see james prince doing any more than he's already done. you got me rethinking this.

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post Jun 17 2013, 09:00 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 17 2013, 08:36 PM) *
i think the difference between bradley and ward though is that bradley was second fiddle to pacquiao. i don't believe arum has anyone at 168. but now that u mention it...i could see chavez moving there in the near future and ward having to play second fiddle to him.

going it alone can be risky. he'll be puttin up his own money...and that's a lot of work when you don't have an al haymon on your team. i can't see james prince doing any more than he's already done. you got me rethinking this.


At some point you got to do a nut check lol. It's a risk reward when you go it alone. I know this well since I own my own company. But hard work which he has pays off. I'd rather go it alone then depend on another man to feed me. I say it all the time some people are meant to be employees and the others are meant to be bosses. He needs to figure that one out. I hate the idea of Arum but a Chavez fight would do wonders for his legacy.

No one can say wth it is exactly that J prince does. Dawson sued him and said all he did was give him a photo shoot out in Houston. What does this man do to warrant being a manger? It's hard to tell. I can't name one of his fighters that didn't disagree with his methods and question his role. Well I don't recall Shane or Wink speaking bad about him but it's very telling that Ward is on record a lot lately as saying he's displeased with the guy
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 17 2013, 10:00 PM) *
At some point you got to do a nut check lol. It's a risk reward when you go it alone. I know this well since I own my own company. But hard work which he has pays off. I'd rather go it alone then depend on another man to feed me. I say it all the time some people are meant to be employees and the others are meant to be bosses. He needs to figure that one out. I hate the idea of Arum but a Chavez fight would do wonders for his legacy.

No one can say wth it is exactly that J prince does. Dawson sued him and said all he did was give him a photo shoot out in Houston. What does this man do to warrant being a manger? It's hard to tell. I can't name one of his fighters that didn't disagree with his methods and question his role. Well I don't recall Shane or Wink speaking bad about him but it's very telling that Ward is on record a lot lately as saying he's displeased with the guy


i wouldn't doubt that a young ward signed with him simply because floyd was with him. a lot of ppl in boxing do shit like that because they don't know any better. i seem to remember hearing that floyd sr and jeff tried to warn young floyd...but he got put out as a result. sometimes ppl have to learn shit the hard way. i don't know what the guy does. i've heard him speak once or twice...i don't recall him being the most articulate cat. i get the feeling he sits in on negotiations...goes thru the motions....gets ward to sign the contracts and collects his 30%. i know he's has rap-a-lot records. he must know something? maybe he helps finance ward until he gets paid? who knows? at this point...ward is about as well known as he's going to be. anything else is just icing on the cake. he can step up his legacy a few ways...great wins, longevity etc... the thing that doesn't get said when going it alone is all the added pressure that can take away from training. boxing itself is a hard enough sport without having to worry about things like promotion, ticket sales, venue, contracts..etc... can ward do it? maybe. but at this stage in his career is it wise to try? i'm not so sure. he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to do it himself...if he was...he would have done it long ago.

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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 17 2013, 09:28 PM) *
i wouldn't doubt that a young ward signed with him simply because floyd was with him. a lot of ppl in boxing do shit like that because they don't know any better. i seem to remember hearing that floyd sr and jeff tried to warn young floyd...but he got put out as a result. sometimes ppl have to learn shit the hard way. i don't know what the guy does. i've heard him speak once or twice...i don't recall him being the most articulate cat. i get the feeling he sits in on negotiations...goes thru the motions....gets ward to sign the contracts and collects his 30%. i know he's has rap-a-lot records. he must know something? maybe he helps finance ward until he gets paid? who knows? at this point...ward is about as well known as he's going to be. anything else is just icing on the cake. he can step up his legacy a few ways...great wins, longevity etc... the thing that doesn't get said when going it alone is all the added pressure that can take away from training. boxing itself is a hard enough sport without having to worry about things like promotion, ticket sales, venue, contracts..etc... can ward do it? maybe. but at this stage in his career is it wise to try? i'm not so sure. he doesn't strike me as the kind of guy to do it himself...if he was...he would have done it long ago.


He is smart enough to pull it off. He's grown a fan base in Oakland, he needs to do a Sugar Ray, and a Mayweather. Be your own promoter and sub contract a GB or TR. I'd rather fail on my own then sink on someone else's boat. Like Denzel said in training day he needs to figure out if he's a wolf or a sheep (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I heard that too about them telling Floyd Jr to stay away from him. He has a bad track record in boxing. I give him props for rap a lot, that's one of the iconic hip hop labels but this ain't hip hop, you can't do that strong arm shit in boxing. But it seems he keeps getting fighters. I think one day is run in boxing will come to an end, these young kids don't know him and eventually the dirt will come out
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 18 2013, 01:01 AM) *
He is smart enough to pull it off. He's grown a fan base in Oakland, he needs to do a Sugar Ray, and a Mayweather. Be your own promoter and sub contract a GB or TR. I'd rather fail on my own then sink on someone else's boat. Like Denzel said in training day he needs to figure out if he's a wolf or a sheep (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I heard that too about them telling Floyd Jr to stay away from him. He has a bad track record in boxing. I give him props for rap a lot, that's one of the iconic hip hop labels but this ain't hip hop, you can't do that strong arm shit in boxing. But it seems he keeps getting fighters. I think one day is run in boxing will come to an end, these young kids don't know him and eventually the dirt will come out


the fact that he is considering top rank tells me he's not educated enough on the matter to do it himself. i hear what you're saying and i agree.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 18 2013, 01:57 PM) *
the fact that he is considering top rank tells me he's not educated enough on the matter to do it himself. i hear what you're saying and i agree.


It's going to be real intriguing to see how this turns out......din't he say he wanted to return in the fall?
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 18 2013, 03:20 PM) *
It's going to be real intriguing to see how this turns out......din't he say he wanted to return in the fall?


yup. and i was under the impression it was going to be here in l.a. i'm going to be pissed if he jumps ship.
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jun 18 2013, 02:30 PM) *
yup. and i was under the impression it was going to be here in l.a. i'm going to be pissed if he jumps ship.


I wonder if he fights in the fall at all now since he's entangled in a legal dispute with his promoter, I just hope he doesn't end up in a career situation like Dirrell where we rarely see him and he ends up wasting his prime years
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QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jun 19 2013, 04:16 PM) *
I wonder if he fights in the fall at all now since he's entangled in a legal dispute with his promoter, I just hope he doesn't end up in a career situation like Dirrell where we rarely see him and he ends up wasting his prime years


this can be an issue...but i'm guessing goosen would take some money to walk away from the situation. he didn't put up much of a fight when guerrero left for golden boy.
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