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Dolimite
post Jun 30 2013, 11:33 AM
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http://www.boxingscene.com/golovkin-maywea...nt-fight--67178

I don't have a problem with GGG wanting Mayweather, however, he is a 160 fighter and there is plenty of fighters that he should be concentrating on. Peter Kid Chocolate Quillen, Sergio Martinez and a few others. he is saying he would come down to 154 but still. If Mayweather says no to GGG, it s a duck and he is scared. Like the late great Manny Steward would say: We have weight classes for a reason.

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post Jul 1 2013, 10:41 PM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 1 2013, 04:23 PM) *
i hear what you're saying...there will always be another feat. ppl will always raise the bar on floyd. but lets be honest....when was the last time floyd took a fight that he wasn't favored to win? i can't remember....and with no one on the horizon at 147 or 154...i'm really not excited about his last 5 fights. there's no one on the short list that stands out as special who can possibly test him. with the way he dispatched guerrero...he turned back the clock! i don't see anyone beating him from 140-154. why not step up to a bigger challenge? i'm not saying it needs to be his next fight....but it would be great to see him try to accomplish the impossible. i'm not saying it has to be ggg...even though i believe he's the most dangerous guy at 160...i'd like to see floyd try and win a title at 160. i don't think it's a stretch either. what floyd lacks in size...he more than makes up for in skill and speed. you're right...his legacy is cemented at this point. he is the best of this era....but he likes to say he's the best ever. i'd like to see him try and prove it....and i don't believe a strap at 160 is an unachievable goal for him.

Is it fair to punish Floyd for his dominance over the years and the lack of high risk fights? he can not create a tough opponent for him. he can only fight what the crop of fighters that are out now. People will bitch and say that Manny was his true test, but real boxing fans know that May would of won that fight fairly easy. Paul Williams is another person they bring up but I believed he had a short retirement when people were calling for them to fight. Also, Paul Williams is a taller version of Brandon Rios.

So you are saying for Floyd to be an ATG he must have a belt at 160/ those other ATG body was totally different and they were not small like Floyd, but I don't want to make excuses. I just don't see the point. I mean the guy can't even make 154. I don't think it is necessary
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post Jul 2 2013, 10:11 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 1 2013, 11:41 PM) *
Is it fair to punish Floyd for his dominance over the years and the lack of high risk fights? he can not create a tough opponent for him. he can only fight what the crop of fighters that are out now. People will bitch and say that Manny was his true test, but real boxing fans know that May would of won that fight fairly easy. Paul Williams is another person they bring up but I believed he had a short retirement when people were calling for them to fight. Also, Paul Williams is a taller version of Brandon Rios.

So you are saying for Floyd to be an ATG he must have a belt at 160/ those other ATG body was totally different and they were not small like Floyd, but I don't want to make excuses. I just don't see the point. I mean the guy can't even make 154. I don't think it is necessary


henry armstrong was 5'5 with 67" reach

roberto duran is 5'7 with 66" reach

armstrong fought robinson who was much bigger at 5'11 with a 72" reach

duran fought leonard, hearns, hagler, barkley and joppy who were all much bigger men.

why are we babying floyd? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Jul 3 2013, 12:06 AM
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QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 2 2013, 10:11 PM) *
henry armstrong was 5'5 with 67" reach

roberto duran is 5'7 with 66" reach

armstrong fought robinson who was much bigger at 5'11 with a 72" reach

duran fought leonard, hearns, hagler, barkley and joppy who were all much bigger men.

why are we babying floyd? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)


Grown men don't baby grown men. You name these great fighters who did this and that but they were who they were. WTH would beating GGG prove? Not nothing, just to get a belt because some before him did it. That's ridiculous. He is his own man and he needs to be allowed to stake his own claim.

I got my career in marketing started thru entertainment based stuff. I've met many athletes and celebs and along the way I realized that 95% of fans aint sh%t, even the so called hardocre fans. Like brutal said the expectations that the fans put on these people are downright outrageous. If he did fight him and win you'd be calling for him to fight Ward and probably somebody else. At some point the dumb stuff has to stop

I respect trendsetters and those who do things on their own accord and Mayweather is definitely in a class of rare air there. He's taking on his biggest challenge and still yet that's not good enough for some. We need to get on Garcia if he doesn't fight Matthyse if this is the basis in which we're going to judge things. I see why some of these athletes and celebs say f%ck the fans. The stuff just never stops. GGG has business at 160 with many fighters and he can move up yet he throws his name in the hat with every fighter and wants a Mayweather showdown. I'm sorry but I think he's corny for that. He can't even beat the #2 P$P guy in Ward. He has no biz fighting Floyd and if they fought at 154, it would be a long night for him

At some point some fans need to step back and either appreciate what they're witnessing or just stop all together. I get sick of hearing that type of rhetoric, Jordan did this but now he should do this. Lebron did this, if he wants a real challenge and be better then Jordan he needs to do this. Floyd should do this because some fighter did this, screw that. The cycle never changes but it needs to
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post Jul 7 2013, 10:50 AM
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His greatness has already been cemented. It's not his fault that he's so good that boxers in 3 different weigh classes can't even hang in the gym with him. You want a natural 140lber whose really never been a WW to fight at 160 because a couple of people did it before. I'm sorry but that's laughable, those men had their time and had their career and it's over.

The one thing that many ATG's have is they staked their own claim. Let that man do the same, who cares what somebody did 20-30yrs ago, it's a new day and a new time and there are new ways to validate yourself and Mayweather jr is trying to do just that. I suggest that those who heap these ridiculous demands on him just let him be


QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 3 2013, 12:06 AM) *
Grown men don't baby grown men. You name these great fighters who did this and that but they were who they were. WTH would beating GGG prove? Not nothing, just to get a belt because some before him did it. That's ridiculous. He is his own man and he needs to be allowed to stake his own claim.

I got my career in marketing started thru entertainment based stuff. I've met many athletes and celebs and along the way I realized that 95% of fans aint sh%t, even the so called hardocre fans. Like brutal said the expectations that the fans put on these people are downright outrageous. If he did fight him and win you'd be calling for him to fight Ward and probably somebody else. At some point the dumb stuff has to stop

I respect trendsetters and those who do things on their own accord and Mayweather is definitely in a class of rare air there. He's taking on his biggest challenge and still yet that's not good enough for some. We need to get on Garcia if he doesn't fight Matthyse if this is the basis in which we're going to judge things. I see why some of these athletes and celebs say f%ck the fans. The stuff just never stops. GGG has business at 160 with many fighters and he can move up yet he throws his name in the hat with every fighter and wants a Mayweather showdown. I'm sorry but I think he's corny for that. He can't even beat the #2 P$P guy in Ward. He has no biz fighting Floyd and if they fought at 154, it would be a long night for him

At some point some fans need to step back and either appreciate what they're witnessing or just stop all together. I get sick of hearing that type of rhetoric, Jordan did this but now he should do this. Lebron did this, if he wants a real challenge and be better then Jordan he needs to do this. Floyd should do this because some fighter did this, screw that. The cycle never changes but it needs to


Not afraid to say these ^^ two posts are the best responses I've seen in this thread on the core issue of how some are using their own definition of "greatness" or "truth" to try and water down the achievements of Mayweather, Jr.; and I have read the thread through the post immediately before this one of mine.

To emphasize on one of mrchitown's points, the way Mayweather achieves his own greatness does not in any way have to be the way and manner in which SRR or the Durans of this world were seen by some to have attained theirs. Mayweather has done it his own and unique way...according to/shaped by the dictates in his own generation. For instance, elites don't (in fact, can't) fight twelve times a year anymore! So, saying Duran for one fought a thousand times before his first defeat, is just plain irrelevant to Mayweather's legacy.

Mayweather fights and beats GGG, say, at 160, and you'll hear these same silly arguments that, "to cement his legacy," he should fight - and defeat - Andre Ward. The small problem would then further be that Andre Ward has - or would have - in the meantime, since moved up and established himself as the best at 175! Yet, that won't stop such calls. Such calls simply have to stop indeed. They should have stopped already.

I once wrote that, just like some in SRR's own generation could not recognize him as having been better than some unique fighters in the generations (say, pre-moving pictures) before theirs, so also will some in Floyd Mayweather's generation view/judge Mayweather. And so shall some a few generations to come or even the next one, view the "Mayweather" of their own time. Ad infinitum.

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- Dolimite   GGG Wants Mayweather:   Jun 30 2013, 11:33 AM
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