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Jack 1000
post Jul 2 2013, 01:37 PM
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I'm Not talking about Lampy's pom-poms now,

I am talking about the whole production, which is now shit. It began when HBO started using post-fight pieces that AFAIK were not in the original PPV closed-circuit production. Fake-ass camera angles, post-fight material. Nothing wrong with post-fight material, but it now looks like it was put together by a college film crew. The turn-off is now showing these little bios about the fighter in-between rounds. Save that shit for your pre-fight show. In fact, when I DVR fights, I go right to the MC announcement of the fighters. I don't need all that shit with the fighter's in-laws, what he ate for dinner, here's the HBO guy running, here he is sleeping. And so forth .

Some people like that stuff. But it's more of a distraction that a positive draw. The graphics on the screen, Steve Weisfield there? FOR WHAT!? Now you got Kellerman trying so hard to be like Merchant in post-fight interviews. But it's not working, at least not for me. I wish Lou Dibella was still there as boxing Department Matchmaker!

As many know, Lou pioneered the HBO Boxing after Dark Series with some of the best fights in recent memory. He worked hard to prevent mismatches, even though contractual obligations with certain fighters forced some of their shit to be shown. (Jones-Frazier....UGGHHH) The thing is, who is really in charge of HBO's boxing Department at this time? It's said Ken Hirshman's there. But I question how effectively he is connecting the sport to the fans. Rumblings of Dan Raphael being involved as some kind of consultant there strengthen the above points. HBO has to stop looking for the next great fighter and offer more competitive fights. Yes, I loved watching "Triple G's" KO of Macklin! It still does not take away the fact that now more than ever, HBO will cling to anything to find a star.

The cling to anything to find a star, started when Lou Dibella left the network. Ross Greenberg had tons of network experience, but never really was a fight fan guy like Dibella. The concept at HBO that continues to this day, is you have to be a likeable pretty boy. (This began with Jones and Delahoya) or a fighter who engages in wars all the time. (Gatti, Pacquiao.) Mayweather and other fine boxers saw this trend and left HBO for Showtime where they felt HBO was not giving them their proper respect. Forget the longevity of say the Klitchko's. They aren't exciting enough. (according to HBO.)

Worse, so many of the people who care are now retired or dead. It's a parallel with HBO now showing better movies than fights, and Showtime, who seems to be doing so much better than HBO, showing better fights and totally POS movies. HBO now has to hold onto Bob Arum's Top Rank and Dibella Entertainment as there main boxing show feeders. What does HBO need to do to get back to the position that it once held as a leading boxing network?

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Dolimite
post Jul 4 2013, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 3 2013, 10:59 PM) *
If anyone is familiar with NYC radio, HBO is Hot 97 and Showtime is Power 105. HBO used to be the pioneer and pinnacle of boxing. When Showtime came along, they had a little buzz but nobody took them serious. It wasn't until HBO started throwing shots at them unnecessarily that they started getting true notoriety. Same happened with the radio stations in NYC. Then, all the stars start flocking towards the new "it" network. HBO gave Showtime some light and instead of counteracting that with quality, long lasting fighters you can root for, they have bar room brawls where both fighters are a shell of themselves after. Then you get Jim Lampley with his butthurt monologue otherwise known as The Fight Game. HBO reeks of jealous ex girlfriend right now. They are the Josie Harris' of boxing lmao


The only thing I know about Hot 97 is that Wendy Williams on there. And I think Biggie and Pac did some interviews on Hot 97. I am not from NY so I wouldn't know. I do understand what you are trying to say. Its like in Cali, when John London and the House Party 92.3 the Beat use to go head with Power 106's Baker Boys. That was back in the 90s but I get it. HBO is losing itself. They are trying to put on all these matches that people wanted to see 5 years ago. Showtime has something going on and to be honest. I see Showtime as being so much positive than HBO. Its like HBO people are critics and not fans of boxing while Showtime are exciting and fans of the sport.

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Still thought the 24/7 series is better than Showtimes version


Common was a nice touch to Fight Camp. They did a great job.
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post Jul 8 2013, 02:13 PM
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QUOTE (Dolimite @ Jul 4 2013, 06:00 PM) *
The only thing I know about Hot 97 is that Wendy Williams on there. And I think Biggie and Pac did some interviews on Hot 97. I am not from NY so I wouldn't know. I do understand what you are trying to say. Its like in Cali, when John London and the House Party 92.3 the Beat use to go head with Power 106's Baker Boys. That was back in the 90s but I get it. HBO is losing itself. They are trying to put on all these matches that people wanted to see 5 years ago. Showtime has something going on and to be honest. I see Showtime as being so much positive than HBO. Its like HBO people are critics and not fans of boxing while Showtime are exciting and fans of the sport.



Common was a nice touch to Fight Camp. They did a great job.


common ruins it for me. clearly sounds like he's reading from a script. they need someone better.
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- Jack 1000   HBO Boxing Production Values in the Crapper!   Jul 2 2013, 01:37 PM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Jack 1000 @ Jul 2 2013, 10:37 AM) ...   Jul 2 2013, 02:27 PM
- - daprofessor   great post!!! thanks for bringing this...   Jul 2 2013, 03:14 PM
- - mrchitown   My biggest issue is with Kellerman because I was r...   Jul 2 2013, 06:46 PM
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|- - BrutUalBK   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 2 2013, 06:46 PM) ...   Jul 17 2013, 04:03 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (BrutUalBK @ Jul 17 2013, 04:03 PM)...   Jul 17 2013, 07:48 PM
- - mrchitown   I like Hershman as well but when it comes down to ...   Jul 2 2013, 08:52 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (mrchitown @ Jul 2 2013, 09:52 PM) ...   Jul 3 2013, 02:36 PM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (daprofessor @ Jul 3 2013, 02:36 PM...   Jul 3 2013, 06:24 PM
- - Franchize   If anyone is familiar with NYC radio, HBO is Hot 9...   Jul 4 2013, 12:59 AM
|- - mrchitown   QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 4 2013, 12:59 AM) ...   Jul 4 2013, 11:44 AM
|- - Jack 1000   QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 4 2013, 12:59 AM) ...   Jul 4 2013, 04:51 PM
|- - daprofessor   QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 4 2013, 01:59 AM) ...   Jul 8 2013, 02:11 PM
- - HyyerBlaze   Still thought the 24/7 series is better than Showt...   Jul 4 2013, 02:02 AM
- - Dolimite   QUOTE (Franchize @ Jul 3 2013, 10:59 PM) ...   Jul 4 2013, 05:00 PM
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- - Jack 1000   Does anyone know when Jim Lamply's contract ex...   Jul 12 2013, 12:33 PM
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- - daprofessor   seriously....wtf is up with hbo??? alvarado beats...   Jul 12 2013, 05:29 PM
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- - Jack 1000   I think much of the problem is HBO struggling to g...   Jul 15 2013, 06:35 PM
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- - daprofessor   so now the story is that hbo is turning down oppon...   Jul 26 2013, 10:11 PM
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- - Jack 1000   HBO rejected Ward's fght with Sartsion. Is th...   Aug 10 2013, 07:07 AM
- - wolterb   what a bummer for ward   Aug 10 2013, 07:53 AM


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