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> Whats better for the sport?, If Canelo wins, would it be better for boxing?
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post Aug 31 2013, 12:03 AM
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I try not to be bias as a fan of Floyed, with that I said I do feel he will win in two weeks.

But make no mistake, there is real danger in front of him. I give Canelo a real chance in this fight and not just a punchers chance.

As the fight draws closer Im starting to feel a win in Canelo's favor would be better for the sport. Not only would it generate huge interest in a rematch but also reshape the current landscape.

Floyed is always prepared so a loss wouldn't be fluke, and Canelo should get all the credit he would deserve. And Ipersonally wouldn't be too upset being its a young skilled opponent as opposed to some bum with a hard shot.

This isn't a tactical thread, but on the business side of things what would be better for the sport? Not just with this fight but any upcoming fight...

Marquez winning over Bradley (which I feel he will)

Matthyse over Garcia...

Im happy these fights are taking place because there is a real chance for the sport to go in a different direction

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post Aug 31 2013, 12:12 AM
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I dont think any of the fighters winning or losing would help or hurt the sport. Now, Floyd losing might make things more interesting but from a business standpoint win, lose or draw all involved win.
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post Aug 31 2013, 01:04 AM
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QUOTE (emd01 @ Aug 31 2013, 12:12 AM) *
I dont think any of the fighters winning or losing would help or hurt the sport. Now, Floyd losing might make things more interesting but from a business standpoint win, lose or draw all involved win.


A win over Floyed, Garcia, Bradley changes things. I don't mean help or hurt because its boxing. This is why we watch it, anything can happen.

For example, when Pac was knocked out by Marquez did that not change peoples opinion on a fight with Floyed? Personally it didn't for me because I still feel Pac would have a good shot with Floyed because hes never seen anyone like Pac in front of him. But the overall public and boxing world kinda let the idea of them fighting go to back of their minds. But it was good for the sport. We wouldnt likely be seeing an exciting fight with Bradley. Shit for all we know Marquez get a shot at the winner of Canelo Floyed. (minus Bob Arum).

Point is it changed things and opened up a whole new array of possible matches...agreed?

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post Aug 31 2013, 03:02 AM
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I can't agree that it would be good if Floyd loss to Canelo. This may be bias because im a Floyd fan but im more of a fan of the sport as a whole. But floyd losing to canelo would just prove that he wasn't as skilled or isn't as great as he claims to be. Which i dont believe, i believe he is one of the most skilled fighters if not the best now when it comes to being a complete fighter. Canelo is good is areas but he also lacks in others which should be capitalized on by Floyd to show his superiority rather than Canelo getting the best of Floyd. Floyd has been boxing longer than Canelo has been alive! so if he really is the best fighter than he should beat Canelo, he should find a way like he always does.

I'm saying this because i want him to retire undefeated, after beating Canelo then taking on Martinez, Matthysse, Pacquiao, Bradley or Khan. Just fights that will add to his legacy, If anyone is beating floyd then i would mention GGG but for countless reasons i dont think the fight would happen but i could be wrong and if that fight did happen, depending on what weight and how floyd is feeling it would be a toss up. But i believe the last fights of his career will be more defining to his legacy, each fight is more important than all before it. If he really wants to stand out from previous greats he should retire after beating those who will cement his case.

Canelo losing i think actually makes it more interesting because then he can fight anyone! might actually move up too. Canelo has more choices than Floyd. still very young and is getting better. If floyd were to lose then he'd probably take easier fights compared to the bigger money/challenging fights ahead of him.

Pacquiao lost because he was supposed to, the way he fights just foreshadowed that due to his wildness he would be knocked out by someone would outbox him out of his shoes. Though he has a fast strong offense, defense is what keeps you alive in the ring, and he lacks it. I thought it would be Mayweather first to knock him out, but still fighting him and knocking him out there shouldn't be excuses since he wont be as bloody and it wont take him 4 fights to do it.

Marquez said himself he doesnt want any part of floyd again, Arum probably makes him fight pacquiao again though. If he doesnt fight pacquiao then I see top rank not letting him fight anyone or just setting him up to lose.......And Matthysse shouldnt get a ticket to floyd after Garcia, he should beat Garcia and then beat broner too and make it even more epic. The Mayweather/Matthysse fight would be much bigger this way.

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post Aug 31 2013, 04:54 AM
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It'd probably be better if Canelo won so there'd be a new young P4P PPV Champion running the game.

Also, Bradley beating Marquez would probably be better than the other way around, because it gives more respect to the young champ who was knocked under the bus because of his controversial fight with Pacquiao (which I felt he actually won). Beating Marquez is beating the guy that always one-upped Pacquiao to the eyes of the majority, who finally sealed the deal with a KO. Beating the guy that beat Pacquiao proves that Bradley is worthy of an opponent and can possibly get a rematch with Pacquiao to cease all doubt about the controversy.

I don't understand why people think Matthysse should beat Garcia, Matthysse lost to Devon Alexander and Zab Judah, while Danny Garcia blew through Judah and some other big names, and is an undefeated champion. Danny would have a brighter future of the two, given their records and charisma.

QUOTE (Jovi @ Aug 31 2013, 03:02 AM) *
I can't agree that it would be good if Floyd loss to Canelo. This may be bias because im a Floyd fan but im more of a fan of the sport as a whole. But floyd losing to canelo would just prove that he wasn't as skilled or isn't as great as he claims to be. Which i dont believe, i believe he is one of the most skilled fighters if not the best now when it comes to being a complete fighter. Canelo is good is areas but he also lacks in others which should be capitalized on by Floyd to show his superiority rather than Canelo getting the best of Floyd. Floyd has been boxing longer than Canelo has been alive! so if he really is the best fighter than he should beat Canelo, he should find a way like he always does.

I'm saying this because i want him to retire undefeated, after beating Canelo then taking on Martinez, Matthysse, Pacquiao, Bradley or Khan. Just fights that will add to his legacy, If anyone is beating floyd then i would mention GGG but for countless reasons i dont think the fight would happen but i could be wrong and if that fight did happen, depending on what weight and how floyd is feeling it would be a toss up. But i believe the last fights of his career will be more defining to his legacy, each fight is more important than all before it. If he really wants to stand out from previous greats he should retire after beating those who will cement his case.

Canelo losing i think actually makes it more interesting because then he can fight anyone! might actually move up too. Canelo has more choices than Floyd. still very young and is getting better. If floyd were to lose then he'd probably take easier fights compared to the bigger money/challenging fights ahead of him.

Pacquiao lost because he was supposed to, the way he fights just foreshadowed that due to his wildness he would be knocked out by someone would outbox him out of his shoes. Though he has a fast strong offense, defense is what keeps you alive in the ring, and he lacks it. I thought it would be Mayweather first to knock him out, but still fighting him and knocking him out there shouldn't be excuses since he wont be as bloody and it wont take him 4 fights to do it.

Marquez said himself he doesnt want any part of floyd again, Arum probably makes him fight pacquiao again though. If he doesnt fight pacquiao then I see top rank not letting him fight anyone or just setting him up to lose.......And Matthysse shouldnt get a ticket to floyd after Garcia, he should beat Garcia and then beat broner too and make it even more epic. The Mayweather/Matthysse fight would be much bigger this way.

Maybe to shill reporters or idiotic fans. The guy is far from his prime and is very close to retirement.

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post Aug 31 2013, 08:04 AM
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Either or... i think its better for Goldenboy and Showtime if Canelo wins. Huge upside and longevity.
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post Aug 31 2013, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE
Also, Bradley beating Marquez would probably be better than the other way around, because it gives more respect to the young champ who was knocked under the bus because of his controversial fight with Pacquiao (which I felt he actually won).


Hi Sduck,

A little unclear, are you saying you thought Bradley beat Pacquiao or you agree with the overwhelming majority that Pacquiao beat Bradley?

It would be good if Canelo wins to bring some fresh new blood to the sport. How would Floyd's ego handle his first loss? But it would NOT be so good for Canelo to win controversially. If Floyd wins, what's left? Forget Pacquiao. That fight will never happen if Arum is involved, and Pacquiao would have to in my view beat Rios big and rematch Bradley winning big. Floyd would also have to look good against Alvarez and keep active.

Jack
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post Aug 31 2013, 12:45 PM
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Two sides to the coin really, Floyd loses and passes a torch to a very beatable fighter, and he's beat, and then basically the pie gets split up and cut up, and all this PPV nonsense can stop. Or Floyd wins and continues to make himself a fuckton of money for 3 more fights, were he retires and the numbers he generates are no longer really generated for boxing anymore, unless Pac maybe does it? I think he needs to lose for the sake of boxing, call it stupid but if he loses that pie is split, and can be split more and more. But the issue is the pie may not be split and chunks of it may just disappear. No I don't hate Floyd.
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post Aug 31 2013, 03:18 PM
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Yeah he does force it with the ppv, but i respect it because atleast he's his own buisness man. He may say other things to the media for obvious reasons of them tryna make him look bad anyway. But all the hardwork cant just go away because he's "past his prime" even though his body may not feel so young, if you take care of your body it should take care of you too. Past greats when they fight past their primes it is a significant difference to how good they once were (Ali,SRL)...But to Mayweather's credit i dont think they were taking care of their body as much as well as he was.

Matthysse didnt get beat by either judah or Alexander. He wasn't outboxed, he knocked both of them down. When i scored the fights i had them both for matthysse but theres blown calls all the time in boxing especially when matthysse wasnt a big name yet. He lost but it wasnt because Judah or Alexander were better than him, it was because of the suspicious boxing politics. REwatch the fights and scored them.

I want bradley to win so he can cut away from Top rank and fight Mayweather. Marquez is going to retire soon........This is all just opinion, just like talking boxing with people who know shit about boxing
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post Aug 31 2013, 04:17 PM
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QUOTE (mgrover @ Aug 31 2013, 12:45 PM) *
Two sides to the coin really, Floyd loses and passes a torch to a very beatable fighter, and he's beat, and then basically the pie gets split up and cut up, and all this PPV nonsense can stop. Or Floyd wins and continues to make himself a fuckton of money for 3 more fights, were he retires and the numbers he generates are no longer really generated for boxing anymore, unless Pac maybe does it? I think he needs to lose for the sake of boxing, call it stupid but if he loses that pie is split, and can be split more and more. But the issue is the pie may not be split and chunks of it may just disappear. No I don't hate Floyd.

Very good assessment mg. I don't think I disagree at all with this post
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