QUOTE(blackbelt2003 @ Aug 24 2007, 04:05 AM) [snapback]354910[/snapback]
Ruiz for me.
IMO, the win has gone from being OVERrated to UNDERrated.
The whole 'Ruiz is average and wasn't the true champion' thing has taken too much away from Jones' win. Forget the title belt and imagine, say, Dick Tiger (who fought at middle and light heavy like Roy) beating up, hurting and outclassing, say, Jerry Quarry, who was about as highly ranked at heavy in 1967 as Ruiz was in 2003.
Belt or no belt, that would be an amazing win, right?
And the whole 'Ruiz is average' argument usually comes from his style of fighting and entertainment value rather than his actual ability. He's beaten: Evander Holyfield, Kirk Johnson, Fres Oquendo, Andrew Golota and Hasim Rahman. An average fighter does not beat all of those guys. A championship caliber fighter does. Yes, Ruiz is dull, boring, holds a lot, sucks ass...but he is NOT an average fighter.
So, bearing all that in mind: why isn't Roy's win about as good as Dick Tiger's would have been?
Whew, you are making a tremendous leap of faith here...... I don't see Tiger beating Quarry though.
Also, "average" is a relative term here though-Ruiz was certainly a higher calibur of fighter than the Mickey Ward's & the Freddie Roach's of boxing. I should've been clearer regarding that part of the statement-yes, there is logic behind his madness.
As for your hypothetical Tiger scenario.....as well as SRR, X(he still might), & Hagler never facing heavies & beating them, the biggest issue with me is :
Roy facing Ruiz was ALL ABOUT the title belt-isn't that why it was such a big deal? Greb & Mickey Walker faced heavies & won a handful of them(some of them were very capable heavies). Were they "amazing" wins? Don't get me wrong, as I give props to Roy for defeating Ruiz, but I'm not quick to shower him with praise as some others. More or less, when a great fighter from lower weights moves up into the heavyweight realm, it turns into the Bob Foster experiment (although Foster's heavy opposition wasn't pretty). Now, if say Roy beat Lennox........that would be something. I wouldn't even know where to begin on how to incorporate that kind of achievement.
I don't like Roy's chances at Valdes, Chagaev, or Tucker either.
Going into the fight, it was one of the more interesting match ups I remember. Ruiz actually jarred Roy early(forgot which round)-odd fight, as Ruiz stopped fighting like...... Ruiz. And I don't think it was entirely due to what Roy was doing.