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BigG
Bill O'Reilly is the most annoying fuck on television without a doubt.

I doubt O'Reilly knows anything about Nas or Hip-Hop. The V. Tech president invited Nas to pefrom for the Virginia Tech students (this is supposed to be a FREE concert by the way) and O'Reilly goes on about how wrong they are for choosing a "gangster rapper" to perofm. He was there showing Nas at his worst with a nearly 10 year old song "Shoot Em Up" from Nas worst album Nastradaumus which did have some very violent lyrics but I don't think Nas was promoting violence or anything, if you listen to it, he is telling a story in first person view. O'Reilly must not know Nas because anyone with a fuckin brain or common sense knows Nas wouldn't perofm any of his violent songs in front of college kids who had witnessed one of the worst mass murders a few months eariler. He is basically trying to ruin Nas by portraying him as one of those brainless gangster rappers. Nas is far from a gangster rapper. Nas has made some "gamgsta" tracks, but anyone that has followed the mans career and has listened to all 9 of his LP's knows Nas has alot of positive tracks from "Heaven", "Dance", "I Can", etc...

Another song he used was Ether which was a fucking diss track to Jay-Z.

O'Reilly should at least do a little research before criticizing someone.

*Rant Over*
DEP Nihilist
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 30 2007, 11:47 PM) [snapback]355694[/snapback]
Bill O'Reilly is the most annoying fuck on television without a doubt.


he's a half-wit
CyruS
Didn't O Reilly already get sonned by Steven Colbert or Jon Stewart on the whole sexual harassment case he had with some broad he worked with? O Reilly has no credible, he's just a puppet catering to his demographic and looking for ratings.
dj necrogenic
QUOTE(Fitz @ Aug 30 2007, 11:34 PM) [snapback]355702[/snapback]
Nas flat out sucks.

Snoop Dogg is where it's at. Snoop 4 LyFe!!!

Even 2Pac is better than Nas, and that should tell you how bad Nas is.

Youre an idiot Nas is the best rapper to come out since Rakim. Snoop and Tupac cant touch Nas lyrically
Method
2Pac lit Naz up pretty hard in a few beats though.

BigG
A timeless classic is Thugz Mansion by Nas and Pac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tZcekwASc

I don't think anyone got killed in that track...lyrically, both were on point. It's a song I can listen to over and over.
BigG
A timeless classic is Thugz Mansion by Nas and Pac http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0tZcekwASc

I don't think anyone got killed in that track...lyrically, both were on point. It's a song I can listen to over and over.
CyruS
Nas cried when Pac dissed him.

I'm suprised Nas didn't murder Pac's verse in Thugz Mansion, considering Pac was dead laugh.gif
BigG
Chino XL went at Pac pretty hard...."By this industry, I'm trying not to get fucked like 2pac in jail"
X3_Bazooka_X3
Cant stand this fucking guy he is a straight up racist end of story look at how he lashed out at Pepsi for having Ludacris, then look at his fight with Geraldo, this guy is a straight up right wing radical honestly I hope he gets shot in the head.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(X3_Bazooka_X3 @ Aug 31 2007, 01:25 PM) [snapback]355749[/snapback]
honestly I hope he gets shot in the head.



You are no better than the SOB that shot MLK JR. in the head. Granted, O'Reilly might be an asshole...but nobody deserves such a moronic remark. I swear Bazooka, you need to F'N relax on the race shit....you seem like a dude that just sits in his room and stews about it all day. feel free to say this about every Muslim on the planet though....that I don't mind.
X3_Bazooka_X3
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Aug 31 2007, 12:00 PM) [snapback]355755[/snapback]
You are no better than the SOB that shot MLK JR. in the head. Granted, O'Reilly might be an asshole...but nobody deserves such a moronic remark. I swear Bazooka, you need to F'N relax on the race shit....you seem like a dude that just sits in his room and stews about it all day. feel free to say this about every Muslim on the planet though....that I don't mind.



So you pretty much agree with his way of thinking? we dont have to agree on everything BG, but honestly since that fight he had with Geraldo regarding that drunk driver its clear he is a racist, I use to watch his show all the time until he started with Luda then on to this case about the illegal drunk driver from that moment on I was done and still am done with him.
he is a racist plain and simple like it or not his actions prove this, not only is he a racist he is a hypocrite, remember when he had Jenna Jameson on his show? she said that after the show he asked her for some DVDs, this was after he went off on a College shooting Porn on campus.
Southeastpaw
That's what Naz gets for havin a potty mouf in public. Potty mouf storyteller. Gettim Bill. aikido.gif
PR316
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 1 2007, 12:28 AM) [snapback]355782[/snapback]
Rakim is ok at best. He is up there with Dr Dre though, I will give him that.


Rakim is FAR from ok. He's arguably the greatest ever MC to touch a mic. Dr Dre is not even a rapper.
Southeastpaw
Let's not forget the king of Ice, Vanilla Ice. You know you all were bumpin that song back in the day. Nas Who??? lol
Southeastpaw
What about my man Chuck D? Why ain't he gettin no lovin.
CyruS
Rakim is up there with Dre? Dre isn't even a rapper he is a producer laugh.gif

Every bar that has come out of Dre's mouth was written by somebody else, he is never to be a discussion with actual MCs.

Btw, incase you don't know you should know, Rakim is interchangeable at the #1 and #2 spots all time.

Rakim is your fav. rappers fav. rapper.
DEP Nihilist
I always wondered what that broad said to the cops when Pac and his buddies got in troubule for sodomy.
DEP Nihilist
QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Aug 31 2007, 09:11 PM) [snapback]355786[/snapback]
Let's not forget the king of Ice, Vanilla Ice. You know you all were bumpin that song back in the day. Nas Who??? lol


I'd listen to Rob Van Winkle anyday over Makiaveli.
BigG
Fitz is joking (I think).

His real list is Fiddy>Bowow>Anything thats number one in the charts. laugh.gif

BTW, gotta say Rakim is the GOAT even though Nas is my boy.
BigG
LOL...was actually disgusted by your comment of Snoop>Nas...


The top 5 IMO

1. Rakim
2. Nas
3. Common
4. Notorious B.I.G
5. Big Daddy Kane
BGv2.0
QUOTE(X3_Bazooka_X3 @ Aug 31 2007, 03:22 PM) [snapback]355763[/snapback]
So you pretty much agree with his way of thinking? we dont have to agree on everything BG, but honestly since that fight he had with Geraldo regarding that drunk driver its clear he is a racist, I use to watch his show all the time until he started with Luda then on to this case about the illegal drunk driver from that moment on I was done and still am done with him.
he is a racist plain and simple like it or not his actions prove this, not only is he a racist he is a hypocrite, remember when he had Jenna Jameson on his show? she said that after the show he asked her for some DVDs, this was after he went off on a College shooting Porn on campus.


I may not agree with him....but I don't want to see him shot in the head for being headstrong and opinionated.....hell if that's the case you may as well wish for a bullet in my head as well.

I do see his point on that.....was it another everyday DWI/death case.....sure....BUT....how can you argue the fact that IF the guy had been in his own damn country it would not have happened?

And as for Jameson....you don't think she had an interest in making a statement like that? Like you said he ripped her on his show...why would she NOT say something like that?

I think Bill O'Reilly can afford his own porn.
Mino
Fuck O Reilly, he is a racist peice of shit, u cant take anything he says serious
Mino
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Sep 1 2007, 02:09 AM) [snapback]355803[/snapback]
LOL...was actually disgusted by your comment of Snoop>Nas...
The top 10 IMO

1. Rakim
2. Nas
3. Common
4. Notorious B.I.G
5. Big Daddy Kane


You can argue that, but I will take Illmatic over any hip hop album ever including Paid in Full which is a classsic
CyruS
1A. 2pac
1B. Rakim
3. Nas
4. Kool G Rap
5. RedMan (Yeah I said it.)

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BigG
Redman is one of the GOATS...."Whateva Man"..

I agree that Illmatic is better then Paid In Full.
Mino
QUOTE(CyruS @ Sep 1 2007, 02:59 AM) [snapback]355810[/snapback]
1A. 2pac
1B. Rakim
3. Nas
4. Kool G Rap
5. RedMan (Yeah I said it.)

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Wow pac ahead of Nas thats crazy, and as much as I like him, Redman belongs on no such list
DEP Nihilist
Men At Work>Pac
BigG
Nas=Wu Tang>>>>>the rest.
X3_Bazooka_X3
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Aug 31 2007, 11:37 PM) [snapback]355804[/snapback]
I may not agree with him....but I don't want to see him shot in the head for being headstrong and opinionated.....hell if that's the case you may as well wish for a bullet in my head as well.

I do see his point on that.....was it another everyday DWI/death case.....sure....BUT....how can you argue the fact that IF the guy had been in his own damn country it would not have happened?

And as for Jameson....you don't think she had an interest in making a statement like that? Like you said he ripped her on his show...why would she NOT say something like that?

I think Bill O'Reilly can afford his own porn.



Shot in the head is a term not meaning he should be shot in the head for real, I just wish the fucker would go away its people like him who do this country no good, rather than to unite the people of America he divides us so IMO he can fuck off. regarding the DUI you can speculate all you want weather it would or would not have happend had he been in his own country the point is Drunk drivers kill people all the time, there is no difference between this case and any other case.
the only difference is this man was illegal big deal do you know how many crimes our citizens committ in other countries? being there legally or not we are no better than the next man simple as that.
CyruS
QUOTE(Mino @ Sep 1 2007, 03:04 AM) [snapback]355814[/snapback]
as much as I like him, Redman belongs on no such list


Whut Thee Album, Dare Iz A Darkside & Muddy Waters >>>>>> *
BGv2.0
QUOTE(X3_Bazooka_X3 @ Sep 1 2007, 11:52 AM) [snapback]355837[/snapback]
Shot in the head is a term not meaning he should be shot in the head for real, I just wish the fucker would go away its people like him who do this country no good, rather than to unite the people of America he divides us so IMO he can fuck off. regarding the DUI you can speculate all you want weather it would or would not have happend had he been in his own country the point is Drunk drivers kill people all the time, there is no difference between this case and any other case.
the only difference is this man was illegal big deal do you know how many crimes our citizens committ in other countries? being there legally or not we are no better than the next man simple as that.


He's no different than a rapper that spurts off "the man" type BS....they both stir up shit. If you hate O'reilly I hope you hate them as well.

"you can speculate all you want weather it would or would not have happend had he been in his own country"

NO....I can't it's simple 1+1 shit.....if the guy had been in his own country he would not have killed the kid.

Then you say there is "no difference"....then say the "only difference"

And I agree we have our own deadbeats, that's why we need to make sure we are not letting more in.
Mino
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Sep 1 2007, 03:30 PM) [snapback]355850[/snapback]
He's no different than a rapper that spurts off "the man" type BS....they both stir up shit. If you hate O'reilly I hope you hate them as well.

"you can speculate all you want weather it would or would not have happend had he been in his own country"

NO....I can't it's simple 1+1 shit.....if the guy had been in his own country he would not have killed the kid.

Then you say there is "no difference"....then say the "only difference"

And I agree we have our own deadbeats, that's why we need to make sure we are not letting more in.


Letting more in.....I lovepeople who were born here with (which I was) with a silver spoon in there fucking mouth talikng about letting people in....who the fuck are you to say some shit like that Spoiled Fuck......People most people who attempt to come here are coming for a better way of life for themselves and thier family, and u want to begrudge them that ....and everyone that comes in are deadbeats...gimme a ucking break
rusty_trombone
You know, I have no idea why anyone watched O'reilly. I remember when Dan Rather got axed for that Irag memo shit, yet O'reilly still has his show after countless times straight up making up stories, and have horrible factual errors on the show and offering blatant lies as truth. "No Spin Zone", honestly if that is not propoganda, then I do not know what is. I would post links, but there are too many, so here is a wiki article that touches on the controversy surrounding him, but i know means paints a full portrait of what this idiot does.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bill_O'Reilly_controversies
X3_Bazooka_X3
QUOTE(Mino @ Sep 2 2007, 12:31 AM) [snapback]355904[/snapback]
Letting more in.....I lovepeople who were born here with (which I was) with a silver spoon in there fucking mouth talikng about letting people in....who the fuck are you to say some shit like that Spoiled Fuck......People most people who attempt to come here are coming for a better way of life for themselves and thier family, and u want to begrudge them that ....and everyone that comes in are deadbeats...gimme a ucking break



Exactly hell that guy that killed someone under the infulence probably came here for those very reasons and had a night out with some friends as anybody here does and you know what? sometimes shit just happens.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(Mino @ Sep 2 2007, 02:31 AM) [snapback]355904[/snapback]
Letting more in.....I lovepeople who were born here with (which I was) with a silver spoon in there fucking mouth talikng about letting people in....who the fuck are you to say some shit like that Spoiled Fuck......People most people who attempt to come here are coming for a better way of life for themselves and thier family, and u want to begrudge them that ....and everyone that comes in are deadbeats...gimme a ucking break



Man fuck you.....you don't know me for shit. SIlver spoon.... I've worked my fucking ass off for all that I have and then some. So you can shove that shit.

And you don't think I realize that MOST of these people are coming here for a better life....living less than 6 hours away from the border of course I do....my next door neighbor is illegal and is one of the most helpful, kind people I've ever met in my life.

HOWEVER....none of that changes the FACT...not an opinion....that IF this dude would not have been here in the U.S. and had been in his own country he NEVER WOULD HAVE KILLED THE KID! How can you honestly argue that point?

And try actually reading my posts asshat......nowhere did I say "everyone that comes in are deadbeats"....I said we need to insure that the ones that do come here are not. That's a far cry from what you claim I said. Are you sure you and Avon are not one in the same? I thought he was the only one that put words into people's mouth despite it being nowhere near what was typed.



"Exactly hell that guy that killed someone under the infulence probably came here for those very reasons and had a night out with some friends as anybody here does and you know what? sometimes shit just happens."

I don't care WHY this dude was here....the point is, he was here illegally and he did in fact kill somebody.....NOW....just because you don't like the fact that this makes for a VALID argument for a tougher system of immagration does not change the fact that it does.

"shit just happens".....I wish that kid would have been yours....something tells me you might not have that same "oh well this dude works hard and was just enjoying a night out and it just happend" attitude. That is without doubt one of the most moronic things I've seen typed on here in awhile.

I have nights out with friends too....I don't smash kids all over the road. And if I did, I sure would not deserve a free pass for all my hard work prior to the accident.
Mino
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Sep 3 2007, 05:12 PM) [snapback]356100[/snapback]
Man fuck you.....you don't know me for shit. SIlver spoon.... I've worked my fucking ass off for all that I have and then some. So you can shove that shit.

And you don't think I realize that MOST of these people are coming here for a better life....living less than 6 hours away from the border of course I do....my next door neighbor is illegal and is one of the most helpful, kind people I've ever met in my life.

HOWEVER....none of that changes the FACT...not an opinion....that IF this dude would not have been here in the U.S. and had been in his own country he NEVER WOULD HAVE KILLED THE KID! How can you honestly argue that point?

And try actually reading my posts asshat......nowhere did I say "everyone that comes in are deadbeats"....I said we need to insure that the ones that do come here are not. That's a far cry from what you claim I said. Are you sure you and Avon are not one in the same? I thought he was the only one that put words into people's mouth despite it being nowhere near what was typed.
"Exactly hell that guy that killed someone under the infulence probably came here for those very reasons and had a night out with some friends as anybody here does and you know what? sometimes shit just happens."

I don't care WHY this dude was here....the point is, he was here illegally and he did in fact kill somebody.....NOW....just because you don't like the fact that this makes for a VALID argument for a tougher system of immagration does not change the fact that it does.

"shit just happens".....I wish that kid would have been yours....something tells me you might not have that same "oh well this dude works hard and was just enjoying a night out and it just happend" attitude. That is without doubt one of the most moronic things I've seen typed on here in awhile.

I have nights out with friends too....I don't smash kids all over the road. And if I did, I sure would not deserve a free pass for all my hard work prior to the accident.


Hey dipshit....I feel sorry for tha family no doubt about it, People get killed everyday in this country by drunk drivers and most of them are american drivers, its is sad what happened but there is no way this should be turned into an immigration issue....its a drunk driving issue PERIOD!!!! People who turn it into anything else are just looking to blame the damn mexicans for something else
BGv2.0
QUOTE(Mino @ Sep 3 2007, 05:06 PM) [snapback]356102[/snapback]
Hey dipshit....I feel sorry for tha family no doubt about it, People get killed everyday in this country by drunk drivers and most of them are american drivers, its is sad what happened but there is no way this should be turned into an immigration issue....its a drunk driving issue PERIOD!!!! People who turn it into anything else are just looking to blame the damn mexicans for something else



NOT PERIOD....

As I have said how can you argue the point that if this guy had not been here he would not have killed this kid?

HOW....

You cannot. AND that fact makes it a valid argument for tougher immagration laws.


That does not say that EVERY person that comes here is a drunk driver, or that we should never allow people in.....all it's saying is that this is an example of a guy that was here illegally and he did commit a murder while here and that we need to keep an eye on those we let in....

The argument is not about our own citizens that kill people....it is about people being here illegally breaking our laws. Is one death worse than the other? NO. But are they the same...NO...not when one is committed by a non citizen.

It's like this....you allow a friend to spend the night in your home....he kills your kid somehow. Now....had it been a family member that did it......would it be the same? The death is not the issue here.....the issue is the person that commited the crime.

Like I said....hate it all you want to, but you cannot argue that fact.

Had the guy not been here....the kid would be alive.....


Mino
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Sep 4 2007, 04:45 PM) [snapback]356182[/snapback]
NOT PERIOD....

As I have said how can you argue the point that if this guy had not been here he would not have killed this kid?

HOW....

You cannot. AND that fact makes it a valid argument for tougher immagration laws.
That does not say that EVERY person that comes here is a drunk driver, or that we should never allow people in.....all it's saying is that this is an example of a guy that was here illegally and he did commit a murder while here and that we need to keep an eye on those we let in....

The argument is not about our own citizens that kill people....it is about people being here illegally breaking our laws. Is one death worse than the other? NO. But are they the same...NO...not when one is committed by a non citizen.

It's like this....you allow a friend to spend the night in your home....he kills your kid somehow. Now....had it been a family member that did it......would it be the same? The death is not the issue here.....the issue is the person that commited the crime.

Like I said....hate it all you want to, but you cannot argue that fact.

Had the guy not been here....the kid would be alive.....


U can change the laws all u want, u can do background checks up the ass, you can let a guy in that is the squeky clean, good guy family guy the whole 9...hes out 1 night having a couple drinks makes a bad choice drives home and kills someone, so now what...everyone makes mistakes, now this is a terrible mistake.....just becuase someone meets your pre requisites to enter this country that somewhere down the rd, something like this wont happen.........so according to you fuck em all and if your not lucky enough to be born here then to hell with you
Mino
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Mino
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 5 2007, 01:53 AM) [snapback]356226[/snapback]
I think your missing the point still. I'm not even American, but it's simple to understand. Committing a crime is bad enough, nobody is saying this wouldn't have happened if he was in the country legally, but the point is he shouldn't have been there at all.
I think your letting your past conflicts with BG get in the way of understanding the point.


Sighs...I get the point that if he was not here, it would not have happened.....My point is that u cant go crazy on immigration laws because this happened....It happens everyday all over the world, and unfortunatley always will......People who have agendas or who have problems with people who are not like them will run with this and use it as an excuse to to try and prove thier point..
BGv2.0
QUOTE(Mino @ Sep 5 2007, 01:14 AM) [snapback]356229[/snapback]
Sighs...I get the point that if he was not here, it would not have happened.....My point is that u cant go crazy on immigration laws because this happened....It happens everyday all over the world, and unfortunatley always will......People who have agendas or who have problems with people who are not like them will run with this and use it as an excuse to to try and prove thier point..



"so according to you fuck em all and if your not lucky enough to be born here then to hell with you"......ONCE AGAIN...you pull a F'N Avon....show me where I ever made this statement!

If you "get the point"......then how can you argue it? Nobody said go crazy on immagration laws, all I'm saying is look at how to possibly improve them.

Sure...I think O'Reilly may misuse a story like this one to futher an agenda....but what Orgs and groups and individuals DON'T do that? If you are a smart enough individual you can see past bullshit.

I myself can see how this situation was/is an argument for tougher immagration laws without O'Reilly's 2 cents. And this has nothing to do with what spot on the map this guy came from, what skin color he has....it has to do with his status as an citizen. He could have been Korean or English.....if he was here illegally....I'd feel the same way.

If he had not been here...he would not have killed the kid.


BigG
Nas responds...



You can add Nas to the growing list of MCs who have responded to controversial television and radio personality Bill O'Reilly.

During a recent airing of his Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor," the commentator blasted Nas' free concert for the students of Virginia Tech (see "Nas, John Mayer, Dave Matthews To Headline Free Concert At Virginia Tech") as an "abomination" and "atrocity." O'Reilly referred to Nas or "Nazz," as the TV host pronounced it as a "gangsta rapper" and said his lyrics are as "violent as they come," citing songs such as "Shoot 'Em Up," "One Mic," Ether" and "Made U Look" as his musical history of violence. (The show also displayed some of Nas' concert footage and videos, plus the scene where Jay-Z gets shot in the video for "99 Problems.") O'Reilly called Virginia Tech President Charles W. Steger "a villain" for allowing Nas to perform.

"Having a rapper who trades in violence perform at Virginia Tech insults the victims, the university and the entire commonwealth," O'Reilly declared. The Nas controversy has been the topic of several of his shows.

Nas spoke exclusively to MTV News on Wednesday, dismissing his detractor.

"It's what he's supposed to do. He has an image to uphold," Nas said initially, laughing it off.

But the conversation took a more serious turn when Nas described O'Reilly's stance against him and previous outbursts against peers such as Snoop Dogg and Ludacris (see "Ludacris Barks Back At Pepsi, O'Reilly; P-Roach Antics Not An Issue For Soda Giant") as being prejudiced and outdated.

"He's a racist," Nas said. "Everybody has a marketing plan; his marketing plan is racism.

"He doesn't understand the younger generation. He deals with the past," Nas continued. "The people he represents are Republican, older, a generation that has nothing to do with the reality of what's happening now with my generation. ... He's not really on my radar. People like him are supposed to be taught and people like me are supposed to let n---as like him know. I don't take him serious. His sh-- is all about getting ratings or whatever. I wouldn't honor anything Bill O'Reilly has to say. It just shows you what bloodsuckers do: They abuse something like the Virginia Tech [tragedy] for show ratings. You can't talk to a person like that."

Nas maintained that some of his harsher lyrics are no more rigid than the reality that inspired them.

"Here's somebody that speaks about America in his music, and the community that I come from has the same kind of violence as Virginia Tech," the legendary rapper said about himself. "It's unnecessary, stupid violence. Hip-hop is a part of the generation of [Virginia Tech] as well as alternative and pop and rock. Hip-hop is a part of that. That's why I'm [performing at the concert]. With Bill O'Reilly, it doesn't raise an eyebrow to me because it's garbage, its bullsh--. He has nothing to do with the real people who go to school or the parents who had to endure that tragedy."

The New York MC also opined that O'Reilly should be exploring the inspiration for music's depictions of violence instead of making blanket statements about the content itself.

"Let him ask why I made the songs I made," Nas said. "It didn't come from nowhere. It came from this country. I'm not talking about Russia in my music. I've never been to Russia. I'm not talking about Africa, Switzerland, China. I'm talking about me being American and growing up in a crazy world and helping to reflect all different sides of life. I got songs also about totally different things 'Black Girl Lost,' you feel what I'm saying?"

Besides O'Reilly, seven families of the victims of the Virginia Tech tragedy have spoken out against Nas performing, and there was an editorial in the school newspaper saying it would be a poor choice for the rapper to perform some of his songs where he talks about guns.

University officials responded by saying the announcement of the concert has been getting overwhelmingly positive feedback and that the lineup would not be changed.

Despite the controversy, Nas says he was asked by the school to perform and there are many people who would be disappointed if he did not come.

"I'm still coming," he reiterated. "Unfortunately, man, a lot of places in America have to deal with unnecessary violence. Somebody like me who knows it firsthand and could relate, ... I had a best friend killed, plenty other friends killed. I been through it. I seen it. My music reflects reality. I think that's what makes it important that I come through and show love to those people [at Virginia Tech]. They deserve it."

"A Concert for Virginia Tech" takes place at the school Thursday (September 6). John Mayer, Phil Vassar and the Dave Mathews Band will also perform. A spokesperson for O'Reilly was unavailable for comment.

rusty_trombone
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Sep 5 2007, 11:57 AM) [snapback]356252[/snapback]
Sure...I think O'Reilly may misuse a story like this one to futher an agenda....but what Orgs and groups and individuals DON'T do that? If you are a smart enough individual you can see past bullshit.

It's not that O'reilly "misuses" stories, he makes up facts and events and creates stories. He's a liar who parades himself around as some savior to the "common man" when all he does is exploit them. "may misuse a story," that is some BS spin if I've ever heard it.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Sep 7 2007, 12:46 PM) [snapback]356403[/snapback]
It's not that O'reilly "misuses" stories, he makes up facts and events and creates stories. He's a liar who parades himself around as some savior to the "common man" when all he does is exploit them. "may misuse a story," that is some BS spin if I've ever heard it.


Maybe you're right....I don't listen to the SOB so I would not know. All I do know is that in this particular instance, he did not make this story up. I had read about it in the papers well before his interview with Geraldo and had my own thoughts about it before he even talked about it.

I'm not spinning shit.....I have no stock in if a person likes Bill O'Reilly or not....all I'm saying is you would have to be a total F'N moron to NOT see how that story can and is a valid argument for taking a closer look at the people that are in this country illegally.

I'm not endorsing O'Reilly.....I'm just not bashing him for his stance on this particular topic. 9/10 I don't agree with most the shit he says.....I don't even know how he got to be where he is today....my best memories of the guy is like in 1988 or so when he was a desk jockey for the tabloid "A Current Affair" program.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Sep 7 2007, 03:26 PM) [snapback]356423[/snapback]
Maybe you're right....I don't listen to the SOB so I would not know. All I do know is that in this particular instance, he did not make this story up. I had read about it in the papers well before his interview with Geraldo and had my own thoughts about it before he even talked about it.

I'm not spinning shit.....I have no stock in if a person likes Bill O'Reilly or not....all I'm saying is you would have to be a total F'N moron to NOT see how that story can and is a valid argument for taking a closer look at the people that are in this country illegally.

I'm not endorsing O'Reilly.....I'm just not bashing him for his stance on this particular topic. 9/10 I don't agree with most the shit he says.....I don't even know how he got to be where he is today....my best memories of the guy is like in 1988 or so when he was a desk jockey for the tabloid "A Current Affair" program.

now you know, he's a jizzbag. As far as the immigrant thing, i think you guys both have valid points.
Mino
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Nas responds...
You can add Nas to the growing list of MCs who have responded to controversial television and radio personality Bill O'Reilly.

During a recent airing of his Fox News show, "The O'Reilly Factor," the commentator blasted Nas' free concert for the students of Virginia Tech (see "Nas, John Mayer, Dave Matthews To Headline Free Concert At Virginia Tech") as an "abomination" and "atrocity." O'Reilly referred to Nas or "Nazz," as the TV host pronounced it as a "gangsta rapper" and said his lyrics are as "violent as they come," citing songs such as "Shoot 'Em Up," "One Mic," Ether" and "Made U Look" as his musical history of violence. (The show also displayed some of Nas' concert footage and videos, plus the scene where Jay-Z gets shot in the video for "99 Problems.") O'Reilly called Virginia Tech President Charles W. Steger "a villain" for allowing Nas to perform.

"Having a rapper who trades in violence perform at Virginia Tech insults the victims, the university and the entire commonwealth," O'Reilly declared. The Nas controversy has been the topic of several of his shows.

Nas spoke exclusively to MTV News on Wednesday, dismissing his detractor.

"It's what he's supposed to do. He has an image to uphold," Nas said initially, laughing it off.

But the conversation took a more serious turn when Nas described O'Reilly's stance against him and previous outbursts against peers such as Snoop Dogg and Ludacris (see "Ludacris Barks Back At Pepsi, O'Reilly; P-Roach Antics Not An Issue For Soda Giant") as being prejudiced and outdated.

"He's a racist," Nas said. "Everybody has a marketing plan; his marketing plan is racism.

"He doesn't understand the younger generation. He deals with the past," Nas continued. "The people he represents are Republican, older, a generation that has nothing to do with the reality of what's happening now with my generation. ... He's not really on my radar. People like him are supposed to be taught and people like me are supposed to let n---as like him know. I don't take him serious. His sh-- is all about getting ratings or whatever. I wouldn't honor anything Bill O'Reilly has to say. It just shows you what bloodsuckers do: They abuse something like the Virginia Tech [tragedy] for show ratings. You can't talk to a person like that."

Nas maintained that some of his harsher lyrics are no more rigid than the reality that inspired them.

"Here's somebody that speaks about America in his music, and the community that I come from has the same kind of violence as Virginia Tech," the legendary rapper said about himself. "It's unnecessary, stupid violence. Hip-hop is a part of the generation of [Virginia Tech] as well as alternative and pop and rock. Hip-hop is a part of that. That's why I'm [performing at the concert]. With Bill O'Reilly, it doesn't raise an eyebrow to me because it's garbage, its bullsh--. He has nothing to do with the real people who go to school or the parents who had to endure that tragedy."

The New York MC also opined that O'Reilly should be exploring the inspiration for music's depictions of violence instead of making blanket statements about the content itself.

"Let him ask why I made the songs I made," Nas said. "It didn't come from nowhere. It came from this country. I'm not talking about Russia in my music. I've never been to Russia. I'm not talking about Africa, Switzerland, China. I'm talking about me being American and growing up in a crazy world and helping to reflect all different sides of life. I got songs also about totally different things 'Black Girl Lost,' you feel what I'm saying?"

Besides O'Reilly, seven families of the victims of the Virginia Tech tragedy have spoken out against Nas performing, and there was an editorial in the school newspaper saying it would be a poor choice for the rapper to perform some of his songs where he talks about guns.

University officials responded by saying the announcement of the concert has been getting overwhelmingly positive feedback and that the lineup would not be changed.

Despite the controversy, Nas says he was asked by the school to perform and there are many people who would be disappointed if he did not come.

"I'm still coming," he reiterated. "Unfortunately, man, a lot of places in America have to deal with unnecessary violence. Somebody like me who knows it firsthand and could relate, ... I had a best friend killed, plenty other friends killed. I been through it. I seen it. My music reflects reality. I think that's what makes it important that I come through and show love to those people [at Virginia Tech]. They deserve it."

"A Concert for Virginia Tech" takes place at the school Thursday (September 6). John Mayer, Phil Vassar and the Dave Mathews Band will also perform. A spokesperson for O'Reilly was unavailable for comment.


I hopw Nas made the show, and tore it down...Fuck O Reilly
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