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rusty_trombone
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Sep 7 2007, 01:49 PM) [snapback]356404[/snapback]

What the hell is high school musical?
dj necrogenic
She needs to shave that bush off
Crow
please tell me she's over 18 in that pic, I don't want to be busted for child porn.
BigG
Shes 18
rusty_trombone
Keep this away from BG, we all know how he likes 'em young
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 8 2007, 12:23 AM) [snapback]356454[/snapback]
I'm sure those pics would go down a lot better if I had known some of the TV shows she was starring in. I suppose this would be kinda like watching Lizzie McGuire a few years back and saying to yourself "man, I would love to see Hillary Duff's snatch".


I would love to see Hillary Duff's snatch.
WolfishPromistah
The talk around is that this may affect her in a bad way because of her Disney association, which provides a clean cut image (in some ways a fake one) that kids in America are expected to look up to and partially aspire to be. The catch, however, is this young lady has been shown in her private life as more than just the good girl image she portrays on a show. And it is great that we teach our children to dream...but, it's not like the photos of Ms. Hudgens are aiming towards sexual suggestion. But they are comaratively as pure as those of a model in the nude, who was simply standing for the camera. And I really see nothing wrong with that.

Now where the problem comes in, as it relates to the issue of Disney and her reputation, is that she may be excluded from High School Musical's (HSM) list of stars. A shame -- too -- being as she's one of the three main stars. So I definitely feel it can hurt -- not just her, but the show -- if the consequences are like some wish for, with her being seen as some sort of consequently shameful representative to what kids are supposed to be; outside of her character, that is. However, there are choices that can be made to where we can potentially grow from this (and no allusion to perverted desires on this -- hehe -- watch it, buddies). So on that note, I would love to just leave this whole thing alone, as HSM should not be used as an excuse for lack of communication between parent and child regarding realities outside of a television show. No, this is not to say that Vanessa didn't make a mistake, but proposing that her young career be destroyed because of this one thing is arguably excessive.

She is a young lady after all, and in reality she, like many others, does have a life outside of some show or other career project. She is a real person whose character on a show still accounts for some things that can be seen as positives, and there are simply too many barriers holding people back from positively moving forward in life already to hold this young lady down as a hellion because of something so unshamefully human as a picture she "may have even just taken herself"... with an automatic camera -- before someone stole it from her and posted it all over. And we have the option to make a positive out of this negative and either communicate to kids the difference between real life situations and what is seen on screen, or we may choose not to even mention the occurrence of this display she's involved in. After all, part of the hype surrounding this comes from the media (grownups) ranting on it constantly and keeping it in the faces of kids; otherwise, it is quite likely that, as with many other "not so fuzzy-hearted things," this would pass on and be a little issue -- as it in some ways needs to be -- just not worth troubling the innocence of our children by hunting to concentrate on. Thanks.
PR316
QUOTE(dj necrogenic @ Sep 7 2007, 05:59 PM) [snapback]356410[/snapback]
She needs to shave that bush off


Or at least trim it.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(WolfishPromistah @ Sep 8 2007, 10:42 AM) [snapback]356567[/snapback]
She is a young lady after all, and in reality she, like many others, does have a life outside of some show or other career project.

in porn
BigG
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Sep 7 2007, 05:59 PM) [snapback]356409[/snapback]
What the hell is high school musical?


One of the most popular disney shows ever.....

Poor girl. Her image is tarnished....
Don Flamenco
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Sep 8 2007, 06:40 PM) [snapback]356613[/snapback]
One of the most popular disney shows ever.....

Poor girl. Her image is tarnished....



She didn't have an image to me until I opened this thread.

She just made a fan out of me spiteful.gif
BigG
laugh.gif laugh.gif

Same here.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(WolfishPromistah @ Sep 8 2007, 09:42 AM) [snapback]356567[/snapback]
The talk around is that this may affect her in a bad way because of her Disney association, which provides a clean cut image (in some ways a fake one) that kids in America are expected to look up to and partially aspire to be. The catch, however, is this young lady has been shown in her private life as more than just the good girl image she portrays on a show. And it is great that we teach our children to dream...but, it's not like the photos of Ms. Hudgens are aiming towards sexual suggestion. But they are comaratively as pure as those of a model in the nude, who was simply standing for the camera. And I really see nothing wrong with that.

Now where the problem comes in, as it relates to the issue of Disney and her reputation, is that she may be excluded from High School Musical's (HSM) list of stars. A shame -- too -- being as she's one of the three main stars. So I definitely feel it can hurt -- not just her, but the show -- if the consequences are like some wish for, with her being seen as some sort of consequently shameful representative to what kids are supposed to be; outside of her character, that is. However, there are choices that can be made to where we can potentially grow from this (and no allusion to perverted desires on this -- hehe -- watch it, buddies). So on that note, I would love to just leave this whole thing alone, as HSM should not be used as an excuse for lack of communication between parent and child regarding realities outside of a television show. No, this is not to say that Vanessa didn't make a mistake, but proposing that her young career be destroyed because of this one thing is arguably excessive.

She is a young lady after all, and in reality she, like many others, does have a life outside of some show or other career project. She is a real person whose character on a show still accounts for some things that can be seen as positives, and there are simply too many barriers holding people back from positively moving forward in life already to hold this young lady down as a hellion because of something so unshamefully human as a picture she "may have even just taken herself"... with an automatic camera -- before someone stole it from her and posted it all over. And we have the option to make a positive out of this negative and either communicate to kids the difference between real life situations and what is seen on screen, or we may choose not to even mention the occurrence of this display she's involved in. After all, part of the hype surrounding this comes from the media (grownups) ranting on it constantly and keeping it in the faces of kids; otherwise, it is quite likely that, as with many other "not so fuzzy-hearted things," this would pass on and be a little issue -- as it in some ways needs to be -- just not worth troubling the innocence of our children by hunting to concentrate on. Thanks.



Fuck all that....she made a bone head move, she deserves what ever losses they(as in film studios, fans, media) dish out to her. I'm tired of people arguing that celebs for some reason should NOT be held up to a higher standard.

If your dumbass stars in a kids show for Disney....then you are a straight up moron for allowing a nude pic to be taken of you....no matter who took it.


Same thing happened to that chick in Growing Pains and old girl on the Cosby Show....if you star in what is supposed to be "wholesome" entertainment...can you really expect anything less than to be booted off in shame. Had this dunce been turning objects on Price is Right or on some HBO drama....nobody would care....but when you deal with "family" programming....you have to stay squeaky clean. She should have taken the Lohan route....stay clean until you get away from the family crap THEN go apeshit.


Look man...we live in a U.S. where Paris Hilton can give lathargic blow jobs on video and Spears can flash her weather beaten vage and they STILL are media dolls not stressing for jobs....

I really doubt this moron's career will tank over this.


oh yeah....

Eat shit Rusty.

rusty_trombone
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Sep 10 2007, 03:05 PM) [snapback]356893[/snapback]
Fuck all that....she made a bone head move, she deserves what ever losses they(as in film studios, fans, media) dish out to her. I'm tired of people arguing that celebs for some reason should NOT be held up to a higher standard.

If your dumbass stars in a kids show for Disney....then you are a straight up moron for allowing a nude pic to be taken of you....no matter who took it.
Same thing happened to that chick in Growing Pains and old girl on the Cosby Show....if you star in what is supposed to be "wholesome" entertainment...can you really expect anything less than to be booted off in shame. Had this dunce been turning objects on Price is Right or on some HBO drama....nobody would care....but when you deal with "family" programming....you have to stay squeaky clean. She should have taken the Lohan route....stay clean until you get away from the family crap THEN go apeshit.
Look man...we live in a U.S. where Paris Hilton can give lathargic blow jobs on video and Spears can flash her weather beaten vage and they STILL are media dolls not stressing for jobs....

I really doubt this moron's career will tank over this.
oh yeah....

Eat shit Rusty.

it must be hard to type all of that with one hand
Method
Disney sticking buy her.
Mino
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Sep 10 2007, 03:06 PM) [snapback]356894[/snapback]
it must be hard to type all of that with one hand


LMAO
WolfishPromistah
That something negative happened because of her actions in her private life, BG, still does not say in any way that her intention was to put the thing now taken as negative into view of the public eye. True, she did put herself in position for something negative to happen to her, but that's not necessarily justification to say that she is somehow a bad person because someone else decided on putting the stuff out -- contrary to her intentions of privacy.

I don't think celebs should not be held to a higher standard as well (meaning above consequences for breaking laws), but I also don't think -- considering they too are humans with private lives, where they too have intimate human encounters -- they should necessarily be targeted as less of a respectable artist because of some forms of negativity perceived correlative to their personal lives.

And as Vanessa Hudgens's character on High School Musical is still a squeaky clean one, a natural moment in her life that was photographed -- outside of being that character -- does not have to work against her portrayal of that character still. For one thing, the pictures don't have to be promoted; for another, Gabriella (her character from the show, I think) is not Vanessa. And Gabriella is still a positive sort of individual on the High School Musical show who does things kids can look up to, whether Vanessa Hudgens has an unhappy issue she runs into in life outside of that or not. Thanks.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(WolfishPromistah @ Sep 10 2007, 05:35 PM) [snapback]356931[/snapback]
That something negative happened because of her actions in her private life, BG, still does not say in any way that her intention was to put the thing now taken as negative into view of the public eye. True, she did put herself in position for something negative to happen to her, but that's not necessarily justification to say that she is somehow a bad person because someone else decided on putting the stuff out -- contrary to her intentions of privacy.

I don't think celebs should not be held to a higher standard as well (meaning above consequences for breaking laws), but I also don't think -- considering they too are humans with private lives, where they too have intimate human encounters -- they should necessarily be targeted as less of a respectable artist because of some forms of negativity perceived correlative to their personal lives.

And as Vanessa Hudgens's character on High School Musical is still a squeaky clean one, a natural moment in her life that was photographed -- outside of being that character -- does not have to work against her portrayal of that character still. For one thing, the pictures don't have to be promoted; for another, Gabriella (her character from the show, I think) is not Vanessa. And Gabriella is still a positive sort of individual on the High School Musical show who does things kids can look up to, whether Vanessa Hudgens has an unhappy issue she runs into in life outside of that or not. Thanks.



You tivo every episode of this damn show don't you! lol

I'm sure the poor girl did not mean for all this to happen....but it did....and that being said, she has to pay the price...and in today's Media cruel world...she will be dragged through the coals for it.

And I myself don't think she's a "bad" person for having done it....I don't think she's "bright" for having done it either.


But I must disagree with you about the "having private lives things"....look that's part of the deal, when you become a star...you should know before hand that you are going to sacrifice a pretty high amount of your "private" life.....it's part of the trade off. Is it right....no....but that does not change the fact that it's simply the way it is.

Saying that the pics don't have to be promoted is like asking for the sun not to shine....it's not GOING to happen. Which is all the more reason why a smart celeb either 1.) does not do stupid shit like that, natural or not. or 2.) if they do, they never let them see the light of day, they guard them with their life!


Don't get me wrong....I do agree to a point with much of what your trying to say....but at the same time reality is not goign to allow for it. By your argument Paul Rubins should have been allowed to continue with Pee Wee's Playhouse....and I cannot say I disagree....but in today's world....it's not gonna happen!


There are 2 areas you cannot screw up in...or you will suffer greatly.....kids and animals. Vick ate it big time on the animal part....and I'll bet this chick will NOT be back for another season. BUT....like I said, we live ina world where actress's show off rancid vage and monotone sex acts.....so she will still be able to get work. She might be able to work for the WB or some crap like that.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Sep 11 2007, 04:44 PM) [snapback]357075[/snapback]
There are 2 areas you cannot screw up in...or you will suffer greatly.....kids and animals.

And he knows from experience guys. Listen to BG, don't fuck kids or animals, otherwise you turn into a Texan.
WolfishPromistah
To BGv2.0:

Nah, I'm afraid I don't yet have the luxury of a tivo player -- hehe. I just decided to look up the word on the story. She is just one of the three main stars of this popular show that's always in the news, so I can see why it's such an important topic to some.

At any rate, why is it necessary that her name be “dragged through the coals” as you say, as if she has to be some scapegoat for cruel intentions? Sure, part of being a star is to sacrifice some privacy -- no question; however, another “part of the deal” is a high amount does not equate to every amount thereof. In other words, some things still can be private, as this was intended to be. And from my understanding of the matter, I am sure that she is not unwilling to still share other things in her life that are not as personal.

As far as the thought of not promoting the pics, my entry was only implying what I feel is a suggestible solution of how things could work out better for her as a respectable individual (we don't really know this girl outside of her character after all; so I like to assume she is at least worthy of quite a bit of courtesy). That, nevertheless, in my opinion, would require we were in a society where more people did choose to give more respect to, or even simply acknowledged, the private lives of others more than done so. After all, as I stated, the photos don't "have to be" promoted. Of course, I am quite aware that the pics will be out there to be seen. In fact, in the same way you seem to have, I will put it out there that -- I, too, s'pose that's just...how it goes. [shrug]

It's just I happen to also think that, although certain things may not happen if we want them to, there's no waste of time in feeling that we can possibly make them happen; it's just sometimes all it takes is that try. Thanks.

By the way, word is that the Disney Channel will continue supporting Vanessa after this bull, so things've already begun looking up for her. And what I've done is submitted an article from a relative site below. As well, I will add that another message boarder I wrote to told me this news earlier, and that Disney channel did make it known at least as early as yesterday that they are backing their star. Now see how people get second chances if we put aside the irrelevance of discredit we sometimes find ourselves digging for unnecessarily? Looks like they'll be rockin' on.

http://www.hollywood.com/news/Hudgens_Wins...Backing/4770626

BigG
She is barely legal and might be too young for some of you, but she is older then me by a few months...so she isn't for me. Vanessa Hudgens is hotness thumbsup_anim.gif

She is supposed to appear in Jay Leon? I'd be interested to see that.

EDIT: She canceled her appearance on Jay Leno...
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