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NickBarker
Please list only fights that could actually be made next year. This means not only refraining from matching prospects with high level contenders or champions too soon, e.g., Andre Berto v. Floyd Mayweather and the like, but also trying to keep in mind any relevant situations that would negatively influence the possibility of the fight, e.g., Wladimir Klitschko v. anyone from the WBC fuckfest.

The rubber match between Israel Vazquez and Rafael Marquez is already scheduled for March 1, so I won't list that, but it is certainly a must have.

Here are mine:
Manny Pacquiao v. Juan Manuel Marquez-This is an obvious one and I'm sure it will receive almost universal assent. Has Marquez lost a step? Will he box Pac's ears off again? 130 pounds is the second best division in boxing behind 147 and it needs to have its champion settled so he may begin to take on the great contenders that populate it.

Miguel Cotto v. Kermit Cintron-I am rooting for Cotto to beat Mosley, but I want to see this regardless of what happens. I truly believe that Cintron is a markedly improved fighter since he has gone to Emmanuel Steward. His power is top of the line and he has the length to give problems to a lot of fighters. It would also match two Puerto Rican fighters which is always an interesting dynamic. This would be later in the year, obviously, because Cintron will probably face Paul Williams in February, another great fight, and Cotto may get someone huge like Mayweather or De la Hoya if he beats Mosley.

Wladimir Klitschko v. Sultan Ibragimov-Any heavyweight unification would be great. Any unification that involves the best heavyweight in the world, Klitschko, is even better. He will not be able to fight for the WBC title for a long time and Chagaev's WBA belt brings promotional issues. Seminole Warriors, Iggy's promoter, has shown the willingness to schedule the tought fights. As you'll remember, it was Chagaev who pulled out of the unification bout and left Iggy to fight Evan Fields. Ibragimov may not be well liked by many, but he's a good enough fighter and I would feel comfortable promoting Wlad from #1 to champion if he took this fight and won it.

Kelly Pavlik v. Arthur Abraham-I really do hope that Pavlik stays at middleweight at least long enough to take on Abraham. I really do deplore how many divisions with solid fighters on both sides of the pond often just leave the issue of unification unsettled. They are often content to merely campaign on their own turf. Though Pavlik has legitimate claim to the championship by beating the lineal champion in Taylor, that does not mean he has no business to attend to. Since Pavlik is likely to fight Duddy on January 26 and has the potential rematch with Taylor either right after or soon down the road, this fight may be tough to pull off. However, I don't believe that it's completely outside the realm of possibility.

Ivan Calderon v. Ulises Solis-The best fight to be made in the smallest divisions. Calderon already beat the other great fighter at 108, Hugo Cazares, by a SD. He will probably have to give him a rematch so this match assumes that Calderon can win that bout. If Calderon were to win this, I would seriously consider moving him into the top five of my P4P rankings.

Chad Dawson v. Bernard Hopkins-I have trouble seeing Hopkins taking this fight, much like Antonio Tarver. Dawson is too young, fast, and skilled for either of those guys or so I think. If Bernard is to really deserve his lofty P4P status, generally 2-4 and even 1 on some people's lists, he ought to take on someone who isn't past their prime.

These are just a few. I think the Pacquaio/Marquez fight will be made. As for the others, if even one of them happens, I'll be happy.
Mean Mister Mustard
Winner of Mayweather-Hatton versus winner of Cotto-Mosley.

JMM-Paquiao is a good one but I'd rather see Paquiao face Guzman.

Dawson-Erdei

Someone to fill the championship vacancy at 154. What happened to that division?
NickBarker
Cory Spinks happened, I guess. Maybe Joel Julio and Julio Cesar Chavez, Jr. will do something there.
BigG
Manny Pacquiao vs. Juan Manuel Marquez II: Marquez is getting up there in age...but this needs to happen.

Fernando Montiel vs. Jorge Arce: Let's see Montiel whoop up a big name.

Floyd Mayweather-Ricky Hatton winner vs. Miguel Cotto-Shane Mosley winner.....SUPERFIGHT!

Chad Dawson vs. Antonio Tarver: Dawson must destroy Tarver.

Juan Diaz vs. Joel Casamayor: Determine who the man is at Lightweight.

Roy Jones Jr. vs. Bernard Hopkins II: Retirement fight for both.

Fernando Montiel vs. Cristian Mijares: SUPERFIGHT
NickBarker
George, I actually should have put Mijares on there for something. Whether it's Castillo, Montiel, or Donaire, Mijares needs a significant fight in order to further justify the accolades that he received for dominating Arce.
BigG
Yeah...his fight with Arce was a total blowout. Mijares IS the truth....but is Montiel. I already think both are P4P...the winner of that is top 12 or top 10.
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Forrest vs Mayorga III

Mayweather vs Mosley/Cotto Winner

W.Klitschko vs Valuev or Peter or Unification with Ibragimov

Pavlik vs Calzaghe/Kessler Winner

P.Williams vs Margarito II

Berto vs Cintron

Pac-Man vs Juan Diaz

B-Hop vs Roy(loser retires)



The Original MrFactor
Pac vs Marquez II

Williams vs Mayweather

Margarito vs Mosley/Cotto winner

Klit vs Any other belt holder

Hatton vs Cotto

Pavlik vs Calzaghe/Kessler

Dawson vs Tarver(chicken)

Peter vs VitKlit

mexi-cutioner
Pacquiao-Marquez II

Rafi Marquez-Vasquez III

Juan Diaz-Michael Katsidis(FOTY!!!)

B-Hop-Dawson

Ivan Calderon-Florante Condes

Guzman-Valero(FOTY!!!!)

Cotto-P.Williams

Taylor-Pavlik II
WWE
Tarver-Hopkins 2
Any heavyweight unification
Calzaghe (if he beats Kessler) vs any light heavyweight champ
Haye (if he beats Mormeck) vs a top 10 heavy
Pacman-JMM 2

In 2008, I'd also like to see these questions answered:

Can Vitali reclaim his position as the top heavy?
Are Froch, Khan, Mitchell, Rees and Maccarinelli gonna take it to the next level?
Is Forrest done or can he be back among the elite?
Will Solis and Povetkin or any other heavyweight prospects be able to revamp the division?
Are Williams and Pavlik gonna stay undefeated?
Are there gonna be any comebacks?

I guess a lot of what happens in 2008 depends on the results of Hatton-PBFM, Jo-Cal-Kessler, Cotto-Mosley, Mormeck-Haye, etc and whether these fights end decisively or controversially and whether or not there'll be rematches/retirements.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(WWE @ Oct 21 2007, 05:25 PM) [snapback]361928[/snapback]
Tarver-Hopkins 2


Why on earth would you want to see a rematch of such a one sided beatdown?

WWE
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Oct 22 2007, 01:24 AM) [snapback]361931[/snapback]
Why on earth would you want to see a rematch of such a one sided beatdown?


Tarver is undefeated in rematches. I'll always respect Tarver for finishing off RJJ. Yes, Hopkins beat him. I don't know whether the weight loss from playing Mason Dixon hurt Tarver or whether he actually was poisoned as he suspects. Maybe neither of those was a factor. What I think definitely was a factor was his mentality. It was hypocritical of him to taunt Hopkins with a wheelchair. There's no point in trying to appeal to narrow minded fans who write someone off merely because of his age - didn't Tarver realise that those same people would also think he was too old? If not, they would a couple of years later. If he wants a rematch with Hopkins (I'm not saying he does) and if he goes in with the mentality that he has to be at his best and expects Hopkins to be at his best (rather than just thinking, 'I'm gonna beat his guy because he's old'), the result could be different.
BrutalBodyShots
LMAO. Tarver lost every round against Hopkins the first time out, so no, the result won't be different (a Hopkins win).

Warlord
Hopkins RAPED Tarver. He absolutely raped him. Not now, and not ever will there ever be any need for a rematch. Anyone entertaining the notion of a rematch is a sick bastard who enjoys violent pornography.
singletrack
RJJ (if he looks good vs Trinidada) vs. BHOP

Peter vs. Wlad

Cotto (if he beats Mosley) vs. Mayweather

Cintron vs. Williams

Berto vs. Cintron or Williams

Pavlik vs. someone good after he KOs Taylor again
WWE
QUOTE(Warlord @ Oct 22 2007, 07:38 AM) [snapback]361945[/snapback]
Hopkins RAPED Tarver. He absolutely raped him. Not now, and not ever will there ever be any need for a rematch. Anyone entertaining the notion of a rematch is a sick bastard who enjoys violent pornography.


Well I know Tarver's not popular here, but he beat RJJ and he came back to avenge a KO loss. I'd be behind Tarver in a Hopkins rematch if he took it seriously. Hopkins call himself the Executioner and always says he's gonna knock people out and he can't do it to anyone who isn't moving up in weight to fight him and even when he stopped DLH a lot of people didn't buy it. Fair enough if Hopkins would say he was gonna tactically outbox someone, but he always acts like he's gonna brutalise them and he doesn't. Hopkins predicting a KO over an opponent is no more credible than if Roger Federer said he was gonna win a tennis match by KO.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(WWE @ Oct 22 2007, 05:14 PM) [snapback]362010[/snapback]
Well I know Tarver's not popular here, but he beat RJJ and he came back to avenge a KO loss. I'd be behind Tarver in a Hopkins rematch if he took it seriously. Hopkins call himself the Executioner and always says he's gonna knock people out and he can't do it to anyone who isn't moving up in weight to fight him and even when he stopped DLH a lot of people didn't buy it. Fair enough if Hopkins would say he was gonna tactically outbox someone, but he always acts like he's gonna brutalise them and he doesn't. Hopkins predicting a KO over an opponent is no more credible than if Roger Federer said he was gonna win a tennis match by KO.


Maybe you should stick to your "WWE" and watch "KOs" over there... any real fan knows that a 12 round decision where a fighter wins all 12 rounds is as impressive if not MORE impressive than a KO. In the cases of Tarver's (or ANYONE'S) avenged losses, they didn't lose ALL 12 ROUNDS in the original fight. Meaning? Simply put, it doesn't happen - same way it wouldn't happen if Tarver faced Hopkins a second time. Enjoy the WWE.

WWE
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Oct 23 2007, 01:08 AM) [snapback]362014[/snapback]
Maybe you should stick to your "WWE" and watch "KOs" over there... any real fan knows that a 12 round decision where a fighter wins all 12 rounds is as impressive if not MORE impressive than a KO. In the cases of Tarver's (or ANYONE'S) avenged losses, they didn't lose ALL 12 ROUNDS in the original fight. Meaning? Simply put, it doesn't happen - same way it wouldn't happen if Tarver faced Hopkins a second time. Enjoy the WWE.


I didn't say it's not impressive. Hopkins specifically says he'll KO his opponents and doesn't do it. He doesn't learn. He's saying he'd KO Jo-Cal. How's that gonna happen? We know Hopkins would run from Calzaghe in the ring. Maybe he'd find a way to win because the fight would only take place in America under Hopkins' conditions, but he wouldn't hurt Jo-Cal. If Hopkins wants to say he's good, I'm not gonna deny that, but he shouldn't act like he's a knockout artist - he isn't. Plus, you're overreacting to what I said about a potential Tarver-Hopkins rematch. Tarver beat himself in the build up to the fight. He TOTALLY had the wrong mindset. If he properly prepared for a rematch, I don't see why he couldn't do what Jermain Taylor's already done.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(WWE @ Oct 22 2007, 08:54 PM) [snapback]362032[/snapback]
If he properly prepared for a rematch, I don't see why he couldn't do what Jermain Taylor's already done.


What's that, win a gift decision over Hopkins? How about because Tarver isn't Taylor and resembles Taylor in NO WAY.

And Hopkins saying he's going to KO someone is called hyping a fight. Selling tickets. Making money. You do realize this is a business right? Lots of fighters at the top level say they will KO their opponents and don't. Who cares.

Point is you are giving a fighter that lost 12 out of 12 rounds against someone a chance to win a potential rematch which is just ignorant. The fight will never happen because no one other than yourself thinks the outcome could be any different.


WWE
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Oct 23 2007, 05:57 AM) [snapback]362040[/snapback]
What's that, win a gift decision over Hopkins? How about because Tarver isn't Taylor and resembles Taylor in NO WAY.

And Hopkins saying he's going to KO someone is called hyping a fight. Selling tickets. Making money. You do realize this is a business right? Lots of fighters at the top level say they will KO their opponents and don't. Who cares.

Point is you are giving a fighter that lost 12 out of 12 rounds against someone a chance to win a potential rematch which is just ignorant. The fight will never happen because no one other than yourself thinks the outcome could be any different.


Yeah Tarver hits harder than Taylor and is more determined. Yeah it's definitely a business. Why can't he at least say, 'If I knock him out, I knock him out, but I'm prepared to go the distance if need be'? A lot of guys who hit much harder than Hopkins say that. Furthermore, saying you're gonna get an easy KO doesn't always hype the fight better. If you make your opponent sound easy to beat, why should people be impressed when you beat him? People often wanna see a fight where the guys are evenly matched.
Anyway, sorry if I offended you by saying I'd like to see Tarver-Hopkins 2 if Tarver was focused. I was just submitting my (reasonable) wish list and I know it's a long shot, but more unreasonable fights have been made - Calzaghe - Veit II, Hopkins - Allen 3, etc.
I don't wanna keep talking about this because it's drawing away from the topic of the thread. I'd like to see Tarver face Hopkins again and you wouldn't. Can we agree to disagree on this?
BrutalBodyShots
Sure we can agree to disagree. I don't care that you want to see Hopkins-Tarver again... I think anyone that loves watch Tarver get his ass handed to him would love to see that rematch! You however want to see the rematch because you somehow think it would be different than the original, and you're wrong. So, if I were you I'd remove that one from your wish list since what you want to happen wouldn't happen.

NickBarker
The only Tarver fight that is worth anything at all is him taking a beatdown from Dawson.
FenderDG3
QUOTE(Fitz @ Oct 24 2007, 04:46 PM) [snapback]362228[/snapback]
Just kidding guys, that's harsh and I don't wish that, lol. But I still don't like him.

I would be interested in.
  1. Cotto-Mosley winner vs Mayweather-Hatton winner
  2. Juan Diaz vs Katsidis (I wouldn't mind seeing Juan start unifying against other guys either)
  3. JMM-Pacquiao II (if that isn't official yet)
  4. Mundine-Calazghe/Kessler (His eye might be an issue now, but I would like him to get a shot)


There was an article in the current Ring Mag. (the one with Calzaghe and Hatton on the cover) about Mundine's eye fungus. The prognosis doesn't sound too good. His doctor didn't rule out fighting, but said he will never regain full vision of the eye. Also Mundine said, "I am prepared for the fact I might never fight again, but it comes down to Allah and what He wants me to do. At the end of the day, it's God's will. I'm praying to Him to heal me, but ultimately it's His decision." I agree it would be nice to see him get a shot, but as of now it doesn't sound too good.
NickBarker
That really is a shame. Mundine is probably the best super middleweight behind Calzaghe and Kessler. The division is starting to get loaded with talent and it's a shame he may not be able to contribute to that.
FenderDG3
QUOTE(Fitz @ Oct 24 2007, 05:07 PM) [snapback]362234[/snapback]
Yep, Mundine is actually now legally blind in that eye. He has about 40-50% vision. He has said he wants to continue to fight and also said he wants Kessler still next year. I think according to Mundine, out of the shitty eye, he can only see like a silhouette type of figure or like a shadow or something. Not sure how good he will be with 1.5 eyes, all I know is he was getting damn good with 2 full eyes just before this happened.


Thanks Fitz I hadn't heard that part... all I knew was from what I posted earlier from The Ring Mag., but he does plan on trying to keep fighting? If so, will he be able to get cleared medically to fight?

QUOTE(Fitz @ Oct 24 2007, 09:01 PM) [snapback]362259[/snapback]
Like a fighter or not. You don't like to see a fighters career put in jeopardy for injuries that they did not sustain in the ring, or anything like going to prison during your best years or whatever it is. As a fan, I like to watch a fighter (like or hate him) get into the ring and be able to say "this guy is the real deal" or "this guy is a dud, he stepped up and failed". Don't really like to look back at a fighter and say "I wonder how he would have gone if this didn't happen".


I second that and couldn't have put it any better myself
FenderDG3
QUOTE(Fitz @ Oct 25 2007, 05:55 PM) [snapback]362361[/snapback]
Thanks man.

http://www.livenews.com.au/Articles/2007/1...e_eyes_comeback

I feel bad for him and I don't need glasses, but trying to clean contact lenses with your mouth? Come on, that's stupid.



You're welcome, and thanks for that article
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