Torres did go for the kill vs. Cotto....Check round 2.

"Torres did go for the kill vs. Cotto....Check round 2."

Cool, 'cept a difference here is the career of a higher skilled finisher (Shane), compared to a younger guy with less experience (Torres).

That's true but Torres is somewhat of a banger...He can punch.


And when I watch Cotto fight, it's like I'm watching a small Puerto Rican Joe Louis fight...He's a beast.

There's a difference between not finishing off a hurt fighter in front of you due to lack of killer instinct and not doing it because you simply aren't good at it.

Even though Torres DID go in for the kill sort of speak, he simply isn't a good finisher. I wouldn't put Torres, Judah or Corley on the level of Mosley in terms of finishing skills, and moreso due to them not being good finishers rather than not having the instinct to finish.

No, not hardly. Joe Louis and Miguel Cotto do not belong in the same sentence...

I'm not comparing their legacies, I'm comparing their styles. The way Cotto stalks opponents and punishes them is somewhat reminicesent of Joe Louis.

I'm training very hard and I'm ready to go," said Sugar Shane Mosley today about his November 10 PPV clash against Miguel Cotto at Madison Square Garden in New York City. "I believe my combination of speed and power will be too much for him....Miguel coming up from 140 to 147, I can't see it....I'm looking for a knockout." Shane's father/trainer sounded equally comfortable. "He knows he not stronger than Shane, he's not faster than Shane....Cotto is worried about fighting Shane."

I certainly hope Shane is only looking for the KO in the early rounds. He better not bank on loading up with one shot the entire fight and think he's gonna get Cotto outta there that way. Cotto MIGHT not be as fast or strong as Shane but his strength is pretty damn close. Shane also better not think Cotto is too small for 147. Dude should have never fought at 140 and has filled out since moving up to 147. Sounds like Shane might be underestimating Cotto a bit.

I don't think either guy is going to have a significant size advantage. The thing going for Mosley is that he has fought naturally bigger guys, Mosley is probably the strongest guy Cotto would have fought though.
I still think this fight is going to be close and interesting and whoever wins will not win in one sided fashion. But as the fight gets closer, the more confident I get that Cotto will win. I think this will be the fight where Cotto will cement his name as one of the major faces for the new generation of boxing. Can't wait for this. Really though, both guys are very likable, you couldn't be hugely disappointed for which ever fighter wins.

cotto is going to get destroyed here. cottos power is nothing that shane hasnt seen plenty of times.

You're probably right, but the thing is I don't think Mosley has fought someone on Cotto's level for sometime. While Mosley has fought fighters previously who may hit just as hard and are physically stronger, but at this stage Mosley will probably get hit a lot more than he used to. It may take it's toll in the end.

I don't think that Shane at 37 is going to be able to deal with the accumulation of body shots. I see Cotto using his tremendously underated Jab early in the bout and increasing the preassure round by round untill Shane cracks. Cotto's boxing ability is being severely overlooked IMHO.

Shane just recently turned 36.

I don't believe that Mosley is "looking for a knockout" but rather is suggesting that he may be able to get one with his superior strength and speed. If Mosley comes out in the first and second round with a purpose then I will believe that statement. I think that would be Mosley's best bet TO get a knockout however, that is catch Cotto early and finish him like the others have been unable to.

OK. Even at 36 I don't see him withstanding the punishment.

shane is not the average 36yr old. you dont see him becoming a fat ass in between fights. the man stays in good shape.

i dont have any doubts about shane being able to take the punishment. cotto is going to get hurt badly in this fight. if it takes that many punches to take out judah, then i dont see any chance for him to take out mosley. i have a feeling that this fight will be the beginning of the end for cotto.

Yeah, Shane has never been in any real wars or has he ever been beat down terribly. He is always in shape and from what he has said in the past he hasn't abused his body in negative ways. Basically he is a young 36. Though i am leaning towards Mosley to KO Cotto, I definately would not count Cotto out because he is strong and has good power, and his body shots are the best in boxing today.

So if you're wrong you will commemorate the event by putting some form of praise for Cotto in your signature right?

I am going with Cotto by decision, but I definitely would not rule out Mosley being stopped. It's hard to say a guy is going to be stopped that's never been stopped before. That is always hard to do, but I can see it happening. There actually isn't a result that would surprise me, unless Mosley got DQ'ed or knocked out cold in the 1st. But besides that, a lot of scenarios seem probable. Mosley can win this as well, but in the end I'm going with Cotto, and I'm leaning towards him more and more as the fight gets closer.

No, it's not. Joe was an accurate punching killer. Joe hit you with short hard accurate shots that you didn't see coming. Cotto has a functional left hook that he sometimes telegraphs - and that's it. There ain't much similarity between the two IMO. YMMV...

Sounds like an easy night for Mosley!

No question. If Shane can be 80% of what he was in his prime then I have no doubt that he will hand Cotto his ass. I mean, exactly who has Cotto beaten? Zab 'fold like a deck of cards' Judah and who else? Hell, Judah was one left hand away from finishing Cotto on several occasions in their fight. Had he not fought such a stupid fight he probably would have beaten Cotto...

I agree that had Judah possessed better finishing skills he could have stopped Cotto. But the same could be said of Corley and Torres. That falls into the "if my Aunt had nuts she'd be my Uncle" rationale however... which doesn't hold much water.

Totally! You are the best!

What was your prediction on Cotto/Judah again?

I'm not so sure. Unlike Corley and Torres, Judah poved that he could land that left hand at will -and hurt Cotto at will. He was just too stupid to follow it up with anything meaningful.

Lol. I had Judah by KO...

i thought judah would win by ko as well. but i also knew that the longer the fight went, the better it would be for cotto. i think judah is deathly afraid of running out of gas, which is why he holds back. but i agree that he could have gotten cotto out of there if he committed himself.

and i will definately give praise to cotto if he beats shane. this is shanes fight to win or lose. if shane looks as sharp as he did vs collazo, then cotto doesnt stand a chance. i see cotto getting a very solid ass kicking in this fight.

and people keep talking about cottos left hook when im not sure he has a better left hook than mosley. i really see now way for cotto to win this fight unless shane just gets old overnight and fights like complete crap. nay is right, 80% of mosley should be enough to hand cotto a good old fashioned ass whoopin.

The "Cotto hate squad" = Nay_Sayer and Tha Docta.

Seriously. I want a commitment out of you guys that you will acknowledge Cotto as one of the top p4p best if he wins. The shit you guys talk is unbelievable. Then when he beats the leaving shit out of someone, all you do is talk about how it was the other fighter that let him win, i.e. Judah.

Here's something about being in a fight - the other guy is ALWAYS the biggest factor.

Now before you jump on me, I've never talked shit about Mosley. He deserves a lot of respect, but I don't want to hear - "Oh it was clear that Mosley got old overnight" if Cotto wins. Seriously, please don't show your faces around here if that is going to be your next excuse.

its not a hate squad, i enjoy watching cotto fight. i said i will give cotto credit if he beats mosley. yes he beat up judah, but he also took a good beating himself that night. with judah being the best fighter cotto has faced, i use that as a measuring stick.

i did not see any of the incredible power that people claim cotto has. i dont remember a moment in the fight where zab was seriously hurt at all. but zab had cotto in trouble a few times when he decided to let his hands go.

mosley is on another level than a zab judah. he is stronger, comparable speed, better defense, better offensive arsenal, and most of all, he is 10x tougher than judah.

i wont make any excuses if shane loses unless cotto tries to punch his testicles into his stomach like he did to zab. but shanes mouth must be watering right now. he knows he can handle cotto and its gonna be ugly. cotto is gonna get a solid ass stomping.

I'm going with Cotto. Right now he's my favourite fighter so my heart may be ruling my head, but either way this is going to be a great fight, I'm sure of it.

Cotto is already down to 151.5 with a week to go until the weigh in.

i find it hard to root for a man that waxes his eyebrows like a fag. metrosexual should be miguels nickname.

How do you know he "waxes" his eyebrows? I personally MUST trim and pluck or I would look like Andy Rooney:

http://www.aikenspro.com/photo_blog/archives/rooney1.jpg


...no thanks.

I agree, and i have no reason to hate cotto. Why would you when he is an action fighter. He is certainly crowd pleasing

I dont believe he dominated judah like some people say. He took some big shots over a number of early rounds, and was wobbled.

Say if you compare it to judah vs tszyu, zab dominated the early round and landed some big big shots. That uppercut was beautiful from judah. But tszyu absorbed them fairly easily and kept coming. Cotto didnt take those same shots from zab nearly as well, and it took a few rounds and a low blow to turn it around. A grinding sort of win rather than ending it convincingly with a KO. Cotto's chin will get tested vs mosely because of the speed, make no mistake.

I still believe judah was at his best that night, and an excelent win for cotto. But for a guy with 'power' to have trouble stopping a guy with judah's chin? How is he going to stop mosely, when shane can take some shots.

I feel shane will drop cotto early, cotto to rally, and shane to take it on points

Cotto looks good compared to what? A hippopotamus? He looked fat in tonights countdown. Undoubtedly he's gotta be spending time on making weight. Holmes was sportingf a gut and love handles.

The more I think about it, the more I can see Mosley winning. He has all the tools to do it. Cotto's advantage in youth is his key to a win. Tough to really say. I'm really struggling with this one.

Look, I like Miguel. I honestly do. The more I have seen him peel off the canvas and sytematically break guys down is impressive, and while I thought him chinny and overrated after witnessing a bunch of near losses, I have grown equally impressed as he's moved up, fought adversity, and broken guys down to win. I kinda appreciate him getting up and breaking guys down systematically over rounds almost moreso that Tito because of the handwrap suspicions...lol.

If he beats Mosley, I will be impressed AND be happy for him. If he does not, I think he still has a top career ahead of him.

If Mosley wins, I want to see Mosley / Mayweather. I think Mosley beast Little Boy Floyd.

I can't see Mayweather taking a Mosley fight. Too big a risk, too small a reward. Floyd will either fight Miguel Cotto or a possible but unlikely rematch with De La Hoya. If neither of those fights come to fruition, I think he'll definitely retire.

Mosley has all the tools to beat Cotto and that's true. He does.

But remember, so did Zab. Alot of people picked Zab to stop Miguel. Reasons were that Zab had quick hands, great pop in his punches, good boxing skills and he DID rock Cotto. But he never had Cotto in serious trouble. Cotto was NEVER in danger of going down. He beat Zab brutally...and I love Zab and I felt bad for him. He showed heart in there but Cotto was too much of a beast. Beat ALOT worse then Mayweather did.

What Miguel has show in the past is that he can comeback from being rocked to brutalize the opposition.

It's going to be a great fight. I cant wait. Its a true 50-50 toss up fight.

Also remember, Mosley is much better than Judah. Mosley will throw brutal combos to the head and body unlike Judah. Mosley will not lose his focus either. Mosley is also smarter and has a stronger mentality.

I would not be surprised if Mosley-Cotto resembles Calzaghe-Kessler. Mosley will be moving and darting and landing 4-1 on Cotto. Mosley by UD in the ballpark of 116-112.

I think my final call is going to be Mosley UD12 Cotto 115-112 (Cotto getting knocked down with a right hand in the first 3 rounds).

Mosley will have a good chance of stopping Cotto if he gets him in serious trouble, but I'll give Cotto the benefit of the doubt that he comes back and makes the fight very competitive as he's shown the ability to do multiple times now.