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Jack 1000
ATTENTION FIGHT HYPERS,

THE STAGE IS SET FOR THE MAYWEATHER-HATTON WORLD WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP SUPERFIGHT! WHO WILL SURVIVE AND EMERGE VICTORIOUS IN THE "BATTLE OF THE UNDEFEATEDS?" BE SURE TO VOTE IN OUR FIGHT HYPE POLL AND GIVE US YOUR COMMENTS ON THIS MUCH ANTICIPATED MATCH-UP!


Jack

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Jack 1000
Mayweather by UD. 117-111, 116-112, 115-113

When it comes down to it, Floyd Mayweather is simply too slick and elusive for Ricky Hatton. He has the jab, the lateral movement, and the ring generalship, in addition to the smarts NOT to get into a brawl with Hatton. There are many who hate Floyd for his arrogant demeanor, but that doesn't take away from his boxing abilities in the ring. Hatton's best chance is to make a Jose Castillo effort out of this fight by mauling on the inside. But, even if Hatton does that, much of his efforts will be blocked by Floyd's arms, shoulders, and elbows. Hatton must get rough and occasionally dirty to make this fight competitive. This way, he might be able to make it close on the scorecards. The problem is that you can't hit, what you can't catch.

All Floyd has to do is stay on his toes, pop the jab and move away. He'll win about 8 or 9 rounds doing that, collect his millions, take a decision, and Hatton will complain that Floyd wouldn't stand and fight. One judge will have it closer than it needs to be. But the outcome will be the same. The question isn't whether Floyd Mayweather wins this fight, but by how wide a margin the judges will give it to him.

Jack
The CEO
Easy work for Mayweather...he will do the usual..

He will feel Hatton out in the first 3 rounds...showing more respect to him than he did to Gatti...this means Mayweather will probably give Hatton possibly 2 out of these 3 rounds...

In the 4th, Floyd will go to work...he will start striking like a cobra against a handicapped pig...popping him here and there with some pure shots...Hatton fans will be like, "ohhh shit".

In the 5th, Floyd will gradually start putting these crisp punches together in combinations...implying he can do this at will the remainder of the fight...and he will.

In the 6th, Hatton's face will be swelling if not cut already...this will mark the beginning of desperation for Hatton..he will start getting wilder and wilder...trying to hold more and more.

Rounds 7 through 10 - Domination established by Mayweather with Hatton being gassed by the end of the 10th.

Championship rounds - Mayweather cruising and scoring on command...doing just enough to take the rounds...Hatton will be flailing and falling into Mayweather hoping to clinch out the rest of the fight...because he's bloody, beaten, and embarrassed...Hatton will know in his heart that there's no way he can win..



Mayweather wins by UD 118-110.



Alternate possibilities...

Mayweather feels Hatton out in the 1st...jumps on him in the 2nd...and gets the ref stoppage.

Hatton gets TKOed on cuts in the 7th-10th.

Mayweather does what I said in my original pick...except that he ends the prolonged torture somewhere in rounds 10-12 with devastating combos...TKO by ref stoppage.
Jack 1000
If you look at boxing from a historical standpoint, many, many British fighters come to the States after being worshiped in Great Britain and get smashed. Go back to Cooper getting cut up like hamburger against Ali in both fights. Hamed being beaten convincingly by Barrera, and Frank Bruno, perhaps one of the most over-rated fighters, worshiped and at one time considered "more popular than Ali" in Great Britain getting stopped by Bonecrusher Smith of all people on his first show televised in the States.

I hate Mayweather as a person. But the fact is if Louie Collazo can give Hatton life and death, in a close fight that I thought Hatton lost, imagine what Floyd Mayweather could do to him?

Jack
The CEO
True, Jack...it's really a simple fight to make a pick...the easiest pick for a "big" fight in quite some time...easier than DLH-FM, Cotto-Mosley, and Pavlik-Taylor iMo...

It's a true mismatch of builds, skills, and styles. The reach and accuracy advantage is glaring...

hitman harding
Hatton by UD
Hatton takes advantage of Mayweather's lazy camp, Jumps all over Mayweathers rib cage like a hyeina going for the kill.Hatton bullies Mayweather into a easy UD.
Hatton will then be P4P #1.
The fraudster will be exposed
Lil-lightsout
QUOTE(hitman harding @ Dec 1 2007, 10:08 PM) [snapback]368026[/snapback]
Hatton by UD
Hatton takes advantage of Mayweather's lazy camp, Jumps all over Mayweathers rib cage like a hyeina going for the kill.Hatton bullies Mayweather into a easy UD.
Hatton will then be P4P #1.
The fraudster will be exposed

"easy UD" laugh.gif, "Hatton will be P4P #1" laugh.gif , "fraudster" laugh.gif . You're too funny.
Lil-lightsout
Mayweather by TKO mid to late in the fight, Hattons face will be a mess.
hitman harding
How can anyone think Mayweather can hurt Hatton ? Mayweather runs like a little b**** on heat from a contest. I hope he brings his dancing shoes he'll need them to savre his ribs
Maxy
QUOTE(Jack 1000 @ Dec 1 2007, 09:12 PM) [snapback]368021[/snapback]
If you look at boxing from a historical standpoint, many, many British fighters come to the States after being worshiped in Great Britain and get smashed. Go back to Cooper getting cut up like hamburger against Ali in both fights. Hamed being beaten convincingly by Barrera, and Frank Bruno, perhaps one of the most over-rated fighters, worshiped and at one time considered "more popular than Ali" in Great Britain getting stopped by Bonecrusher Smith of all people on his first show televised in the States.

I hate Mayweather as a person. But the fact is if Louie Collazo can give Hatton life and death, in a close fight that I thought Hatton lost, imagine what Floyd Mayweather could do to him?

Jack


Hardcore boxing fans (over here) never considered Bruno to be anything but a reasonably good heavyweight with a punch and a fragile chin. He was popular as a person but somewhat ridiculed as a fighter for much of his career. Henry Cooper was known to cut easy but he did land THAT left hook...and it was that punch which added to his popularity. Naz thought he was god, trained in luxury and got found out for thinking he was better than he was...but his biggest mistake was getting rid of Brendan Ingle. Naz could have achieved so much more but his over-sized ego ultimately destroyed him.

You don't mention how Nigel Benn came to America and did bloody well...stopping Barkley in a round, knocking out DeWitt...and then tragically ending the career of McClellan, albeit back over here. Oh and what about massive underdog Lloyd Honeyghan going to America and beating up on a man considered by many at the time to be the eventual successor to Marvin Hagler? Honeyghan shocked the world that night....I gave him no chance of a win...Donald Curry was top 3 P4P...higher on some lists, but Honeyghan ripped the title from him.

These things happen.

Hatton has more of a shot at winning this fight than Honeyghan did against Curry. My head is telling me that Floyd is too quick and that he will use his skills to win on points...I don't see him stopping Hatton. I've said from the start, I've always felt that Ricky Hatton will give Mayweather his toughest fight to date. He will hurt Mayweather to the body and he will make Mayweather work very hard for the victory.
hitman harding
QUOTE(Maxy @ Dec 2 2007, 05:52 PM) [snapback]368182[/snapback]
Hardcore boxing fans (over here) never considered Bruno to be anything but a reasonably good heavyweight with a punch and a fragile chin. He was popular as a person but somewhat ridiculed as a fighter for much of his career. Henry Cooper was known to cut easy but he did land THAT left hook...and it was that punch which added to his popularity. Naz thought he was god, trained in luxury and got found out for thinking he was better than he was...but his biggest mistake was getting rid of Brendan Ingle. Naz could have achieved so much more but his over-sized ego ultimately destroyed him.

You don't mention how Nigel Benn came to America and did bloody well...stopping Barkley in a round, knocking out DeWitt...and then tragically ending the career of McClellan, albeit back over here. Oh and what about massive underdog Lloyd Honeyghan going to America and beating up on a man considered by many at the time to be the eventual successor to Marvin Hagler? Honeyghan shocked the world that night....I gave him no chance of a win...Donald Curry was top 3 P4P...higher on some lists, but Honeyghan ripped the title from him.

These things happen.

Hatton has more of a shot at winning this fight than Honeyghan did against Curry. My head is telling me that Floyd is too quick and that he will use his skills to win on points...I don't see him stopping Hatton. I've said from the start, I've always felt that Ricky Hatton will give Mayweather his toughest fight to date. He will hurt Mayweather to the body and he will make Mayweather work very hard for the victory.


Mayweather and Naz have the oversized ego thats for sure.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(hitman harding @ Dec 2 2007, 04:34 PM) [snapback]368180[/snapback]
How can anyone think Mayweather can hurt Hatton


Watch the Collazo fight and then come back and talk more about how much you hate Mayweather.

BrutalBodyShots
Oh by the way I've got this fight 116-112 for Mayweather... I also think there's a great chance that Mayweather cuts up Hatton nicely and possibly stops him on cuts late.

WolfishPromistah
Now if the way I saw Ricky looking tonight on 24/7 is any indication, he's going to get killed. All bruised up even before the real thing? C'mon.' If he's coming to the ring wth that, he's getting sliced up in a few days, 'cause I know Floyd's gonna work that all night if 'e let 'im.
The Original MrFactor
I think its a 115-113 fight either way. We'll be talking on Sunday about how either guy could have won it. I think Mayweather lives and fights hatton from the outside. i think Hatton makes Money-May work hard from the inside.

I think that Hatton's MMA grappling becomes an issue and eyesore. I also think Mayweather's unwillingness to engage is also going to majorly dissapointing.

In all, Mayweather will be in his toughest fight yet. It will not be easy work. Sunday he will announce his retirement, due to a hand injury. Then after 9 months off, he comes back to fight Cotto, after he gets KO'd by Margarito.
The Ring Dictator
The most likely scenario is that after 12 rounds of boxing Mayweather jr. wins by UD.

Ricky Hattons only chance to win the fight is to KO Mayweather, which will be very, very difficult (impossible?).

Those are the only two outcomes as I see it... Mayweather won't KO Hatton, Hatton on the other hand will never win a descion against Floyd.
caneman
PBF by UD, i say 116-112. unless it's by cuts, y'all are tripping when you say PBF by TKO or KO laugh.gif he isn't fighting gatti! i wish fatton would KO PBF though...i'd be happy to see him brought back down to earth.
singletrack
Mayweather by TKO. I see him stopping Ricky on cuts and/or swelling. PBF by decision would be my next guess.
singletrack
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 2 2007, 10:26 PM) [snapback]368206[/snapback]
Watch the Collazo fight and then come back and talk more about how much you hate Mayweather.


Exactly. Not to mention that DLH was buckled by PBF. I'll be rooting for a great fight, but I'm expecting a one sided dismantling.
Nay_Sayer
QUOTE(hitman harding @ Dec 1 2007, 09:08 PM) [snapback]368026[/snapback]
Hatton by UD
Hatton takes advantage of Mayweather's lazy camp,


Lazy camp? What is the source of this information?
Elijah
I don't see this fight as being a totally one sided affair. I believe this will be Floyds toughest fight other than the first one against Castillo. Hattons style is exactly what it will take to beat Floyd. If he can just stay active a majority of the rounds and pressure Floyd (especially get him up against the ropes like Oscar did) and work the body, hell just hit Floyd anywhere then I think the judges might give the decision to him. At the same time it's Floyds fight to lose. We all know that, it's just a matter of how much energy he wants to put into the fight.

Floyd by very close decision.
dbdbdb
I'm hoping and wishing that Floyd keeps this fight on the inside and really bust-up Hatton. Hatton will try to turn this fight into a brawl, but will be unsuccessful. So, worst case scenario it will go to the judges and Floyd will get the decision.

I want to see Floyd really go for the bust-up in this fight.
BrutalBodyShots
This poll is just further indication of how good these odds are on Mayweather currently.

80% think Mayweather will win, 20% think Hatton will win based on the votes in this thread. If the population of this thread is representative of the whole (which I believe to be the case) that would mean Mayweather should be in the ballpark of a 4-1 or 5-1 favorite as far as betting goes. Odds currently are in the ballpark of 2-1 which is twice as good as they should be if you're a Mayweather backer.

BrutalBodyShots
I should also add that you can currently get even money back on Mayweather by decision. Doesn't get much better than that!
Jack 1000
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 3 2007, 05:27 PM) [snapback]368298[/snapback]
This poll is just further indication of how good these odds are on Mayweather currently.

80% think Mayweather will win, 20% think Hatton will win based on the votes in this thread. If the population of this thread is representative of the whole (which I believe to be the case) that would mean Mayweather should be in the ballpark of a 4-1 or 5-1 favorite as far as betting goes. Odds currently are in the ballpark of 2-1 which is twice as good as they should be if you're a Mayweather backer.


Very good assessment of the odds, Brutal.

That's what I was thinking Floyd at 4-1 based on him being the superior "boxer." Can Hatton "brawl and grab" enough to take Floyd out of his game plan? When I think about Hatton fighting, I see a sloppier version of Jose Castillo. I think I might have mentioned this before in this thread. But my assessment of Castillo was a better inside fighter because he is (was) a cleaner puncher. Hatton doesn't let you breathe, but he doesn't hit cleanly as often as Castillo does. One shot from Ricky could turn this fight around. However, Floyd is too intelligent of a boxer to fall into a Hatton brawl. Keep in mind that this IS a Vegas venue. My understanding is that we have three Vegas judges and the customary Nevada ref. Joe Cortez has been appointed, and while that's 100 times better than Nady for Hatton, Joe still will not allow excessive holding. 60% of this fight I would estimate is in Mayweather's favor. The issue is how much can Hatton use that other 40% as an underdog to make this match a close (although) ugly fight, as opposed to a near shut-out for Floyd.

Jack
BrutalBodyShots
I agree Jack. Cortez will be very firm about there being "no rough house tactics" and will probably break up the grappling before it would really do Hatton any good.

Of course Hatton will have SOME success on the inside, but my view is that he won't have nearly enough to bank enough rounds to win the fight.

The CEO
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 3 2007, 06:30 PM) [snapback]368301[/snapback]
I should also add that you can currently get even money back on Mayweather by decision. Doesn't get much better than that!


Ok...where are you gambling at, Brutal..? As far as online..

I've got a bookie at the Golf course only allowing for a $1000 loss on his end...he will not go below 2 to 1. He usually doesn't do Boxing...but we're cool, so he's doing it just for me...

I'm already a member at Bodog (right now Floyd is at -225)....but their maximum bet is only $1k...I've allotted and am willing to bet up to $5k total on a Mayweather win...that leaves me 2 more k...or 3 if you think I shouldn't go with Bodog...

Any suggestions? I don't want any drama, big fees, or excessive waiting to collect...
BrutalBodyShots
Mayweather is currently -215 at thegreek.com. I usually use sportsbook.com but have used 5dimes.com in the past as well. Like we talked about last week, I FULLY expect these odds to tighten more by the end of the week. I think on Friday between the weigh in and Saturday evening we'll see Mayweather at a best of -170 give or take. Worst case I think it will at LEAST hit 2-1.

Most places with a $1000 limit will allow you to risk more if you call them and speak to someone up the ladder a little bit.

The only thing I'm undecided on is whether or not to go with Mayweather to win at ~2-1 or even money on Mayweather by decision. I'll probably go the safer route and just stick with Mayweather to win just in case he stops Hatton on cuts or something. I've been burned a few times in the past by betting the outcome in attempt to get better odds. I remember on Mayorga-Forrest II I bet a a modest $500 on Mayorga but put it on him to win by KO. I think it was about 2-1 on Mayorga to win (which I should have gone with) but it was around 7-2 on Mayorga by stoppage. Considering the outcome of the first fight I went with the more risky bet and ended up coming up short. These things happen.

I'm planning on risking about $2000 on the fight, possibly more or less depending on how the Saturday odds look.
The CEO
Yeah...the safe route is way to go for this fight. The possiblity of a stoppage on cuts is too much to be ignored. I know of those 3 sites you mentioned, but I'll look into them further...I've never gambled on sports online...

Bodog doesn't do quick payouts anymore for Poker players.....I think it will take 2 weeks...I don't like that...I used to get my money through Western Union the very next day for FREE...they'd let you have one free payout a week....

That said...I'm thinking they would let me up my bet due to all the rakes they took in on me though...2 to 1 is more than I ever dreamed...that's ludicrous right there...anything less than that is INSANE...lol...we'll see...thanks for the info...

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The CEO
There was a time on this board where this poll would have been skewed...remember the old British forum?

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BigG
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But my assessment of Castillo was a better inside fighter because he is (was) a cleaner puncher.


Exactly...the reason Hatton beat Castillo the way he did was because he was much faster, stronger, and younger. Castillo nearly lost to a guy with 14 fights before fighting Hatton..he was on the down hill and Hatton was able to impose his will on him. But in terms of techincal skills, Castillo IS actually better.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Dec 3 2007, 11:35 PM) [snapback]368350[/snapback]
Yeah...the safe route is way to go for this fight. The possiblity of a stoppage on cuts is too much to be ignored. I know of those 3 sites you mentioned, but I'll look into them further...I've never gambled on sports online...


True... a stoppage is certainly a reasonable possibility. Plus, I don't want to be rooting for Mayweather to NOT stop Hatton if he has him in trouble late in the fight just because of my bet. LOL.

I've used predominantly sportsbook.com and their payouts are as near as I can tell instantaneous. I mean I've never checked the second a fight was over, but I've checked my account say 10-15 minutes after a fight was over and the result has already been credited/debited from my gambling account. You can then have the funds (or partial funds) direct deposited to your bank account whenever you want to have your cash. Generally speaking I leave my winnings in there and gamble small time ($50-$100 bets) on fights for a month or so until something like Mayweather-Hatton comes along that A) I'm really confident in and cool.gif The odds are WAY too good to pass up.

Every now and again you can find really good odds in their "final outcome" choices. Sort of set up like our poll, picking the winner by decision, stoppage, or draw, etc. I remember once they totally screwed up the odds on Barrera-Fana and I capitalized. Their odds on Barrera to win were very wide... I don't know -800 or so and in the "final outcome" section they meant to list Barrera by stoppage as 2-7 but they reversed it to 7-2! Barrera by stoppage was an obvious pick, and instead of making back $28 or so on a $100 bet you got back $350 due to someones mistake. LOL, good stuff.

salvador
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 3 2007, 11:13 PM) [snapback]368344[/snapback]
Mayweather is currently -215 at thegreek.com. I usually use sportsbook.com but have used 5dimes.com in the past as well. Like we talked about last week, I FULLY expect these odds to tighten more by the end of the week. I think on Friday between the weigh in and Saturday evening we'll see Mayweather at a best of -170 give or take. Worst case I think it will at LEAST hit 2-1.

Most places with a $1000 limit will allow you to risk more if you call them and speak to someone up the ladder a little bit.

The only thing I'm undecided on is whether or not to go with Mayweather to win at ~2-1 or even money on Mayweather by decision. I'll probably go the safer route and just stick with Mayweather to win just in case he stops Hatton on cuts or something. I've been burned a few times in the past by betting the outcome in attempt to get better odds. I remember on Mayorga-Forrest II I bet a a modest $500 on Mayorga but put it on him to win by KO. I think it was about 2-1 on Mayorga to win (which I should have gone with) but it was around 7-2 on Mayorga by stoppage. Considering the outcome of the first fight I went with the more risky bet and ended up coming up short. These things happen.

I'm planning on risking about $2000 on the fight, possibly more or less depending on how the Saturday odds look.


I really need to stay off this board until after the fight because the more I think about it and the more I read your posts the more I'm convinced that this is the easiest money bet in years. It's just too perfect a set up. I hate the idea of rooting for Floyd, but if Mayweather by decision really gets to even odds, then I don't think I'll be able to resist.
The CEO
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 4 2007, 06:40 PM) [snapback]368468[/snapback]
True... a stoppage is certainly a reasonable possibility. Plus, I don't want to be rooting for Mayweather to NOT stop Hatton if he has him in trouble late in the fight just because of my bet. LOL.

I've used predominantly sportsbook.com and their payouts are as near as I can tell instantaneous. I mean I've never checked the second a fight was over, but I've checked my account say 10-15 minutes after a fight was over and the result has already been credited/debited from my gambling account. You can then have the funds (or partial funds) direct deposited to your bank account whenever you want to have your cash. Generally speaking I leave my winnings in there and gamble small time ($50-$100 bets) on fights for a month or so until something like Mayweather-Hatton comes along that A) I'm really confident in and cool.gif The odds are WAY too good to pass up.

Every now and again you can find really good odds in their "final outcome" choices. Sort of set up like our poll, picking the winner by decision, stoppage, or draw, etc. I remember once they totally screwed up the odds on Barrera-Fana and I capitalized. Their odds on Barrera to win were very wide... I don't know -800 or so and in the "final outcome" section they meant to list Barrera by stoppage as 2-7 but they reversed it to 7-2! Barrera by stoppage was an obvious pick, and instead of making back $28 or so on a $100 bet you got back $350 due to someones mistake. LOL, good stuff.


oooo nice...they had to honor it...lol

I think I'm gonna roll with sportsbook then...I like direct deposits. Bodog cuts you a check, and sends it via mail.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Dec 4 2007, 06:47 PM) [snapback]368471[/snapback]
oooo nice...they had to honor it...lol


Yup. That was back a few years ago before I was really financially stable or I would have bet just about all I could throw at that outcome!

One thing that they don't tell you (or maybe they do in the fine print) is that whatever the decision that is read at the end of the fight is the decision that is reflected in your account, regardless of what happens afterwards. For example a fight like Toney/Ruiz that was ultimately ruled a no contest, people that bet Toney won money and that bet Ruiz lost money. Just because it was later ruled a no contest had no bearing on bets placed on the fight.

Another example from not too long ago was Barrera-Juarez I. Originally it was announced as a draw and a half hour later after finding a scoring issue Barrera was awarded the victory. Those that bet Barrera in that fight were PISSED as he was really the winner, but for gambling purposes the fight was a draw as that was the announced result.

The CEO
Sorry, Brutal...I was taking care of this bum in another thread...

As far as rare results...what happens on the DQ at Sportsbook? That shit COULD happen...
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Dec 4 2007, 08:59 PM) [snapback]368505[/snapback]
Sorry, Brutal...I was taking care of this bum in another thread...

As far as rare results...what happens on the DQ at Sportsbook? That shit COULD happen...


Haha I noticed... np

DQ if you just bet straight up is just another form of a win or loss in terms of betting. If you bet Mayweather to win and he wins via DQ that still counts as a win.

In final result bets usually the line reads "Mayweather by decision" or "Mayweather by KO, TKO or DQ" which essentially covers all non-distance results.

I don't know if I've ever seen a DQ stand alone line. If there were one, it should be 200-1 or something crazy since DQ's are VERY rare.

I do like to bet draws since you typically find 15-1 to 20-1 odds on draws regardless of the fight. For Taylor-Wright I bet $100 on the draw at 17-1 and hit it. Of course you've got to lose 5 or 6 draw bets to actually hit one, but it feels good when you finally do. It's always cool to throw a little toward a draw on a fight where the original was close and then there's a rematch which has a very good chance of going the distance. I've thrown a little toward a draw on fights like Taylor/Hopkins II, Barrera/Juarez II, DLH/Mosley II etc. and all have gone the distance and been close fights as expected.
The CEO
QUOTE(BBS)
Haha I noticed... np

DQ if you just bet straight up is just another form of a win or loss in terms of betting. If you bet Mayweather to win and he wins via DQ that still counts as a win.

In final result bets usually the line reads "Mayweather by decision" or "Mayweather by KO, TKO or DQ" which essentially covers all non-distance results.

I don't know if I've ever seen a DQ stand alone line. If there were one, it should be 200-1 or something crazy since DQ's are VERY rare.

I do like to bet draws since you typically find 15-1 to 20-1 odds on draws regardless of the fight. For Taylor-Wright I bet $100 on the draw at 17-1 and hit it. Of course you've got to lose 5 or 6 draw bets to actually hit one, but it feels good when you finally do. It's always cool to throw a little toward a draw on a fight where the original was close and then there's a rematch which has a very good chance of going the distance. I've thrown a little toward a draw on fights like Taylor/Hopkins II, Barrera/Juarez II, DLH/Mosley II etc. and all have gone the distance and been close fights as expected.



That's good news...because I would imagine odds are Hatton would be DQed before Mayweather.

I predicted the draw as well for Taylor-Wright...wish I woulda bet it...that was a real good hit for you.


If all goes well on this...my first, big Boxing bet online...I might have to continue doing it...only on locks like this fight though...

I really don't think people understand how great these odds on Mayweather are....that 24/7 show has been a Godsend.
torvix2000
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 3 2007, 11:27 PM) [snapback]368298[/snapback]
This poll is just further indication of how good these odds are on Mayweather currently.

80% think Mayweather will win, 20% think Hatton will win based on the votes in this thread. If the population of this thread is representative of the whole (which I believe to be the case) that would mean Mayweather should be in the ballpark of a 4-1 or 5-1 favorite as far as betting goes. Odds currently are in the ballpark of 2-1 which is twice as good as they should be if you're a Mayweather backer.


Nah. There are a lot more variables than you could ever imagine.
Maxy
Although Mayweather is undoubtedly the favourite, another fighter, Jose Luis Castillo, believes Hatton can cause the upset.

The 33-year-old insists there is more to the Mancunian's game that brute force and that he says, means a first defeat for the favourite.

"Whereas Mayweather is very quick and sharp, Hatton throws a lot of heavy punches, moves better and is faster than people believe," he told The Telegraph.

"To see it as a mismatch in which Mayweather will simply outpoint Hatton is too short-sighted. I can't see that. Hatton is a very proud, strong fighter and he can win. I have no doubt about that."

The CEO
and here's a video with another guy who lost to Mayweather saying Hatton can win as well...

"There's only one...the ring is MY turf....the altitude."

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There is no doubt that Floyd Mayweather is the "Most Hated Boxer On Earth".

It's one of the smartest and most lucrative angles a fighter can play...IF they can pull it off...being the best and staying undefeated until they retire...

It takes a lot of courage to say what he does and then perform at such a high level...
Maxy
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Dec 5 2007, 02:56 PM) [snapback]368563[/snapback]
and here's a video with another guy who lost to Mayweather saying Hatton can win as well...

"There's only one...the ring is MY turf....the altitude."

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There is no doubt that Floyd Mayweather is the "Most Hated Boxer On Earth".

It's one of the smartest and most lucrative angles a fighter can play...IF they can pull it off...being the best and staying undefeated until they retire...

It takes a lot of courage to say what he does and then perform at such a high level...


He'll have to do a lot more than what he's done to date if he is to back up his boasts though. Yeah, he is the most hated fighter around because he hasn't backed up the talk and he's vulgar with money...maybe he does it on purpose but I reckon he'd rather have everything he has and be POPULAR as well.

It doesn't take courage to act like a prick. Don't get me wrong, he's an excellent boxer and people will probably pay to watch him just because they want to see him get KTFO, but I don't believe that's been his agenda from day one. It's just happened that way. People don't like him so he'll play the bad guy role and act like he revels in it.

The atmosphere in the crowd on Saturday will be anti-Mayweather. He'll be booed and the chants will overwhelmingly be for Hatton....that could be to Hatton's advantage, so for Floyd to genuinely live up to his bad boy role he'll have to look bloody impressive this time. There are a lot of casual fans who have given him a pass for the De La Hoya performance - if he goes out there and does a job on Hatton those same fans will pay to see him again...and they might even become genuine fans of his. 24/7 appeals to a wider market than the usual promotion/hype before a big fight so I'm hoping that this time the fight itself will be exciting for hardcore fans and also convert the casual fans into bone fide supporters of the sport.

This is a hard fight for Mayweather IMO so I will be genuinely impressed if he can dominate Hatton like the general consensus seems to feel will happen.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
I still think this fight is a mismatch. Collazo beat Hatton, and he outboxed Hatton in that fight. I love Collazo, but it's easy to see that Mayweather is a much better boxer than Collazo. Floyd just got done fighting DLH and defeating him, and he's also coming off victories over Super Judah, and the welterweight champ in Baldomir. I dont really like Floyd much, but he has a lot of skill and a gift at what he does. Hatton is a good fighter, but he isn't on Floyd's level. Hatton has made a career in fighting opponents who are not on his level, or they are past their prime. I mean he fought Tszyu, Castillo, and Vince Phillips when they were past their prime. The only slick boxer and welterweight he fought, he got wrecked. He was out on his feet, and out of his element. Hatton should be fighting at 140, where he has a better shot at winning. Mayweather in a one sided beating.
Kyle
WolfishPromistah
"People don't like him so he'll play the bad guy role and act like he revels in it."

Now keeping in mind what C.E.O. just added before (about smarts and the most lucrative angles), it also may be that Floyd's showing he's quite adaptable. Sure, he may not have "planned it," but if he keeps going with win after win, it will not have proven a bad choice to flow with -- becoming the total prick. As the old saying goes about attention in the entertainment world -- good or bad -- it's all good. And if a fighter keeps backing up the claim to fame with decisive victories, like Floyd's doing, what then? Well, sometimes it's worth it.

It's really an old script. It's where people may begin to pay "even more" to see "Money-Mayweather," in hopes that he will finally be beaten. Yeah, he's doing a fine job in growing into this new persona. And all he has to do is keep up his end of the bargain in the ring for things to continue progressing.
BrutalBodyShots
Mayweather just beat an all time great in DLH who has superior skills to Hatton and P4P has speed on par with Hatton... and that was essentially TWO divisions above this fight because IMO DLH is a legit 154 where Hatton is a blown up 140 pound fighter. If DLH couldn't come away with the win, no way does Hatton.

BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(torvix2000 @ Dec 4 2007, 11:16 PM) [snapback]368512[/snapback]
Nah. There are a lot more variables than you could ever imagine.


What kind of variables?

Generally speaking educated public opinion (or opinion of a large sample of this forum) is pretty damn close to what the odds state. Odds on Mosley/Cotto were tight, picks on this site were tight. Odds on Taylor/Pavlik were tight, picks on this site were tight. Odds on Pacquiao/Barrera II were heavy in Pac's favor, MANY more people on this site picked Pac over Barrera II. Odds on Marquez/Juarez were heavy in Marquez' favor, essentially everyone picked Marquez to win.

Point being odds follow this boards opinion for the most part. However, for this fight people are picking Mayweather 4-1 or 5-1 over Hatton, yet you can get near 2-1 odds on Mayweather. This means this is a TREMENDOUS value on Mayweather however you want to cut it.

The CEO
Odds jumped up today...-260 for Mayweather at Sportsbook....-240 at Bodog...up 20 and 15 respectively...

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salvador
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Dec 4 2007, 10:46 PM) [snapback]368510[/snapback]
I really don't think people understand how great these odds on Mayweather are....that 24/7 show has been a Godsend.


It's kind of amazing. It's like the perfect storm of opportunity.
JD
I think Hatton is going to be hell on Floyd in there.

I think people are underestimating Hatton's footwork, footspeed, and the Cortez factor. I think Floyd is going to have to work harder to win this fight then we have seen him work in a very, very long time, possibly ever.

My initial pick is Mayweather by decision. But I keep going back to what I said a few weeks ago and that is this...the card is a GBP card, Oscar is dying to fight Ricky Hatton, expect to see Hatton get away with some inside rough stuff. That in mind, expect to see Floyd forced to work later in the fight, and that will be a big deal here, because I cannot remember the last time Floyd had an opponent in front of him that was still making him work late - most were more or less targets for Floyd by then. I fully expect to see Floyd try to trade early, because I honestly believe he has no respect for Hatton, but after a couple rounds when he realizes that Hatton is not going anywhere - he will look to fight at a distance.

If Hatton is the aggressor the entire fight, and this thing goes to the cards, do not be surprised in the least to see Hatton's hand raised. This fight will be closer than a lot of people seem to believe, in my opinion.
salvador
QUOTE(JD @ Dec 6 2007, 08:42 AM) [snapback]368671[/snapback]
I fully expect to see Floyd try to trade early, because I honestly believe he has no respect for Hatton


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