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BrutalBodyShots
HOPKINS VS. CALZAGHE: POST NEW DEVELOPMENTS HERE

Looking for more links now, but I just read that Calzaghe said he isn't going to fight Hopkins because the money isn't right. He says he made more fighting Kessler than he was offered to face Hopkins? Somehow I find that hard to believe.
Maxy
From Fight News.

Unbeaten WBC/WBA/WBO super middleweight champion Joe Calzaghe says he has rejected an offer from Golden Boy to fight Bernard Hopkins. "To be honest, the offer wasn't as much as I got for the Kessler fight so from a business point of view the deal doesn't make sense for me," Super Joe told Wales on Sunday. "Hopkins must really convince me with hard cash that he really wants this fight because I'm not sure he does." Calzaghe, who will be at in Las Vegas to cheer on countryman Ricky Hatton next Saturday, added that Hopkins is still his #1 target but only if the numbers add up. He also dismissed a possible bout against IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods saying "While Clinton has a title, he is not a big name and will not get American TV excited – and I want to keep them happy as that's where the money is."
BrutalBodyShots
Yup that's what I read. Trying to find a more solid source..
Maxy
Wales on Sunday.
BrutalBodyShots
I don't understand how Hopkins' offer could be less than Joe made for the Kessler fight... I heard the Hopkins offer was pretty lucrative.

Maxy
Hopkins don't need Calzaghe at this point in his career so I'm pretty sure that any offer they made to Joe wasn't satisfactory.

Yeah we hear about the millions but I don't believe we hear the whole truth.

Anyway, I think this fight is doomed.

Ain't happening.
BrutalBodyShots
Well what next for Hopkins then? After Pavlik lays out Taylor again in a few months Hopkins could fight Pavlik in the Summer of 2008... but he needs a stay busy fight in the meantime.

PR316
I would like to see what exactly the offer was before passing judgement. A fight with Hopkins must net Calzaghe his highest career purse ever. Surely Golden Boy must make a fair offer.
Method
Typical Calzaghe. We go from "Money is not an issue". "I will fight him in his backyard....in his garden if he wants"....now "It must make sense".

I think this is all preliminary, and the deal will get done.
Snoop
QUOTE(Method @ Dec 3 2007, 02:54 PM) [snapback]368238[/snapback]
Typical Calzaghe. We go from "Money is not an issue". "I will fight him in his backyard....in his garden if he wants"....now "It must make sense".

I think this is all preliminary, and the deal will get done.

I agree. Calzaghe is trying to milk all the $ he can out of this deal and I don't blame him.
buford54
I liked this comment by Joe:

“Frank said he’s more than happy to pay Hopkins the same as he offered me to come fight over here, but he’s a home-boy and won’t leave America, so that’s a non-starter."

That coming from a guy who has made a career of getting out of big fights by not leaving his home country.
I'll believe this fight is happening when the bell rings. Until then, there are negotiations to be had, contracts to be signed, hands that will get hurt, etc.
Method
Totally.

Joe calling Hopkins a "Home Boy" Gimme a fucking break. This guy is the poster child for not wanting to leave his nest.
buford54
I certainly don't mean any disrespect to Joe, because he's a great fighter, but he's the one who needs names on his resume...not Hopkins.
I certainly don't hold Bernard above suspiscion, because he's certainly a stubborn SOB who can make a fight fall through...but Joe's excuses are getting weak on this one. He sounds like he's trying to back-pedal. First it was "fight anywhere, anytime." Now it's, "Well, he's the fight I want, if there's enough money."
PR316
If Calzaghe was to fight Kelly Pavlik, then I would watch that for sure. Calzaghe vs Dawson is another I'd like to see.


As far as Hopkins and Calzaghe go, I definitely sense a personal dislike here. Calzaghe feels Hopkins ducked him in 2002 and Hopkins feels that it was Calzaghe who ducked him. And now this crap continues.


I think the deal will get done eventually. There is definitely more than enough money on the table for this fight to happen.
BigG
Joe Calzaghe turned down 8 million to fight an old living legend who he he claims he'd beat easy? He should have taken the offer. I thought he didn't really care about the location or money, he just wanted Hopkins in the ring?
Maxy
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Dec 3 2007, 01:23 PM) [snapback]368253[/snapback]
Joe Calzaghe turned down 8 million to fight an old living legend who he he claims he'd beat easy? He should have taken the offer. I thought he didn't really care about the location or money, he just wanted Hopkins in the ring?


If it's correct and he has really turned down $8m then fuck him and his career.

Thing is, these figures get thrown around but we don't really know the truth yet. I've already lost interest in this fight anyway. If Calzaghe were to win, what would it prove?
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(Method @ Dec 3 2007, 05:24 PM) [snapback]368249[/snapback]
Totally.

Joe calling Hopkins a "Home Boy" Gimme a fucking break. This guy is the poster child for not wanting to leave his nest.



Has Hopkins ever fought outside the USA? If so then he is indeed a "Home Boy".
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Dec 3 2007, 04:29 PM) [snapback]368270[/snapback]
Has Hopkins ever fought outside the USA? If so then he is indeed a "Home Boy".


One of the Mercado fights was outside the US, can't recall which. Anyway that was over 10 years ago.

caneman
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 3 2007, 04:51 PM) [snapback]368273[/snapback]
One of the Mercado fights was outside the US, can't recall which. Anyway that was over 10 years ago.



true that BBS, Ruminahui Coliseum, Quito, Ecuador in 1994...1st fight & it was a draw & BHop koed him in 7 in the rematch cool.gif
Method
Fought in Qito, Ecuador on two weeks notice fat high altitude for the first Mercado fight. Ring surrounded by guards armed with machine guns (if that's a fucking home body then phone ET). Also fougth in France for one of his early fights...the 6th, I think? According to Hopkins, anyway.
STEVENSKI
Fair enough. I would love to see big fights go all over the world rather than just in the USA for the most part like they used to although the casinos would not like it.
Lil-lightsout
Calzaghe is a pussy, and he questions Hopkins, someone tell him Bernard went to Puerto Rico and threw there flag down right in front of all those rabid fans! Though it was stupid, he got a huge set of balls on him to do that, something Joe lacks. Not to mention, the level of competition Bernard has fought put's Joe's to shame. In 50 years, boxing fans will know who Bernard Hopkins was, I doubt the same can be said for Joe.
Maxy
Taken from BBC.co.uk

Joe Calzaghe admits he may have to fight again at super-middleweight if he cannot find a big enough name at the next division.

Calzaghe, 35, is hoping to fight Bernard Hopkins at light-heavyweight, but that may not be until next summer.


And with retirement planned in 2008, Calzaghe wants a fight in before that, possibly against Ronald 'Winky' Wright.

"Hopkins looks like he's not going to be ready until June or July and I'm not going to wait for six months," he said.

"I want to keep busy and if 2008 is going to be my last year, I want to be boxing in March, maybe April at the latest.

"Hopefully it will be at light-heavyweight but if I get a big fight at super-middleweight against somebody like Winky Wright I could go for that."

Wright, 36, has won 51 of his 56 bouts, but one of his four defeats came against Hopkins in July.

Calzaghe was crowned undisputed world super-middleweight champion last month after beating Mikkel Kessler, and planned to step up to light-heavyweight.

He had hoped that would be against Hopkins, 42, but he is a notoriously tough negotiator.

Sheffield's Clinton Woods says talks have opened over a British super-fight between himself and Calzaghe next year.

Woods, 35, the IBF light-heavyweight champion, said he would be ready for a match in March.





ROLL DEEP
QUOTE(Maxy @ Dec 3 2007, 01:46 PM) [snapback]368258[/snapback]
If Calzaghe were to win, what would it prove?


I've been thinking this for a while.


If Calzaghe were to win....who would he be winning against? A legend of course, but one who is 42 years of age and the VERY tail end of his career!

Surely there are better fights for him to be going after?

A win against Hopkins would be a great win no doubt, but not the career defining win he wants.
AussieLad
Lets assume 8 million is the real offer. Who else at 168-175 can calzaghe fight and get that sort of money?

Tarver? I doubt it

Clinton Woods? uh uh

Mundine? Nope

Chad Dawson, great risky fight, but unlikely to get the huge $$$$

And all these people who are on Pavliks nuts, I dont think his rematch against Taylor is a lock for a win. Taylor has the power to drop Pavlik, and the skills to outbox him. Pavlik had to wear some leather to beat Taylor, and he may not land that killer shot twice. I like Pavlik, he is exciting, I'm just saying dont count your chickens... And i think he should stay at 160 for a while anyway before leaping up divisions

Sorry Joe, Hopkins will bring the money and the legacy, and no-one else comes close
STEVENSKI
He should fight Woods for chump change & then fight RJJ & knock him out.
Method
QUOTE
Lets assume 8 million is the real offer. Who else at 168-175 can calzaghe fight and get that sort of money?

Tarver? I doubt it

Clinton Woods? uh uh

Mundine? Nope

Chad Dawson, great risky fight, but unlikely to get the huge $$$$

And all these people who are on Pavliks nuts, I dont think his rematch against Taylor is a lock for a win. Taylor has the power to drop Pavlik, and the skills to outbox him. Pavlik had to wear some leather to beat Taylor, and he may not land that killer shot twice. I like Pavlik, he is exciting, I'm just saying dont count your chickens... And i think he should stay at 160 for a while anyway before leaping up divisions

Sorry Joe, Hopkins will bring the money and the legacy, and no-one else comes close



Agreed 100%
PR316
QUOTE(AussieLad @ Dec 4 2007, 10:01 PM) [snapback]368431[/snapback]
Lets assume 8 million is the real offer. Who else at 168-175 can calzaghe fight and get that sort of money?

Tarver? I doubt it

Clinton Woods? uh uh

Mundine? Nope

Chad Dawson, great risky fight, but unlikely to get the huge $$$$

And all these people who are on Pavliks nuts, I dont think his rematch against Taylor is a lock for a win. Taylor has the power to drop Pavlik, and the skills to outbox him. Pavlik had to wear some leather to beat Taylor, and he may not land that killer shot twice. I like Pavlik, he is exciting, I'm just saying dont count your chickens... And i think he should stay at 160 for a while anyway before leaping up divisions

Sorry Joe, Hopkins will bring the money and the legacy, and no-one else comes close


Agree with almost everything. However....

I agree that anything is possible in boxing, but Pavlik is pretty much a "lock" to win the fight. As I have always argued about Taylor, its not that he doesn't have tools to be a good fighter. But he doesn't have the MENTALITY to be as good as he should. Lets forget the Pavlik fight, along with the fights against Wright and Hopkins. When you are a big middleweight like him with some good power to go along with your size and strength, you should NOT and I repeat, you should NOT, be BACKING UP against fighters like Kassim Ouma and Cory Spinks, two smaller guys than Taylor, that do not possess a big punch, and have suspect chins. Guys like that should not be lasting 12 rounds with Jermain Taylor regardless of how we look at things. A fighter like Taylor should not take 1 BACKWARD STEP against opposition like that.


Which leads me to the re with Pavlik, a bigger man than Taylor arguably, stronger and more powerful, and a HUGE psychological edge on Taylor coming into this fight. And if confidence was a problem with Taylor before, then imagine NOW going into this fight. I don't see much of a chance for Taylor now that I think about this.


But lets not get too off track. I do agree that Calzaghe needs this fight more than Hopkins. Though Joe has some options, lets keep in mind. He could always await Pavlik, or he could face Chad Dawson too. Hopkins at this point really needs an opponent like Joe if people are going to be interested in seeing him box, simply because he's not that marketable, and his style isn't exactly appealing to watch. He needs a big name if he wants to draw good.


I think Joe is trying to milk as much as possible from this and you can't really blame him(Hopkins has done the same in the past). All fighters try and get the best possible deal for themselves, and rightfully so. Its that kind of sport. I don't think either guy is scared of the other. What I do believe is that this is indeed a legitimate grudge match we have on our hands here. These two guys DO NOT like each other.


Snoop
QUOTE(PR316 @ Dec 4 2007, 11:01 PM) [snapback]368453[/snapback]
I think Joe is trying to milk as much as possible from this and you can't really blame him(Hopkins has done the same in the past). All fighters try and get the best possible deal for themselves, and rightfully so. Its that kind of sport. I don't think either guy is scared of the other. What I do believe is that this is indeed a legitimate grudge match we have on our hands here. These two guys DO NOT like each other.

I agree. Normally I would accuse Joe of being a biggity bitch like most of the other posters, but him taking on Kessler without any bitching and moaning kinda surprised me. I think he's just trying to get some more $ from the deal because this is most likely going to be his last and definitely most well paid fight.
MarzB
Whats wrong with Joe wanting to remain active?? I have no problem with Joe wanting to remain active and hell, even fighting a bum prior to the Hopkins fight. That how guy did it some 15 years ago.

I'm more curious what'll occur when they have a confrontation in Vegas on Saturday.
SpitShineTommy
QUOTE(Lil-lightsout @ Dec 4 2007, 02:04 AM) [snapback]368332[/snapback]
Calzaghe is a pussy, and he questions Hopkins, someone tell him Bernard went to Puerto Rico and threw there flag down right in front of all those rabid fans! Though it was stupid, he got a huge set of balls on him to do that, something Joe lacks. Not to mention, the level of competition Bernard has fought put's Joe's to shame. In 50 years, boxing fans will know who Bernard Hopkins was, I doubt the same can be said for Joe.



Joe has no ballz??? what ever dude...Joe has class is what he is ...unlike B-Hop who is a thug and disrespectful..or was at least when he did chit like that to the flag...and WTF are you talking about...REAL Boxing fans WILL know who Joe Calzaghe is , dont be so biased cuz your in the US...Hopkins & Calzaghe needs to happen...that chit would be great

come on , Joe Cal is just trying to get more money so what? its a huge fight...prob. both their last..two great all time great legends and no need to bash either one of these cats..they are both very smart inside and outside the ring

Joe Cal whipps the chit out of B-Hop ...6th round TKO !!!

Lil-lightsout
QUOTE(SpitShineTommy @ Dec 5 2007, 11:41 PM) [snapback]368650[/snapback]
Joe has no ballz??? what ever dude...Joe has class is what he is ...unlike B-Hop who is a thug and disrespectful..or was at least when he did chit like that to the flag...and WTF are you talking about...REAL Boxing fans WILL know who Joe Calzaghe is , dont be so biased cuz your in the US...Hopkins & Calzaghe needs to happen...that chit would be great

come on , Joe Cal is just trying to get more money so what? its a huge fight...prob. both their last..two great all time great legends and no need to bash either one of these cats..they are both very smart inside and outside the ring

Joe Cal whipps the chit out of B-Hop ...6th round TKO !!!

He needs more than 8 million dollars? Who is he gonna fight to get that payday besides Hops? REAL boxing fans also will know Joe has took the safe route to defending his belt for most of his career, and you got to admit that is true. The only reason I was bashing Calzaghe is because he called out Bernard talking all this shit, so they give him a reasonable offer to come to the US, and he comes up with some lame excuse. I would also love a Hopkins-Calzaghe match to happen, it just irritated me to hear Joe turn down the offer when I really thought he wanted the fight. Too many fights in the past did not happen due to money issues, it just sucks for the fans. And you are trying to tell me not to be biased, then you write, "Joe Cal whipps the chit out of B-Hop...6th round TKO!!!" What the hell gives you any indication Joe will stop Bernard? I can GUARANTEE you there is no f...ing way Joe would stop Hops in six rounds! Cals has a chance to decision him, but stop him, no way. Bernards has never been remotely close to being stopped, and you think Joe could do it, that is hilarious. Good luck finding ANYONE knowledgeable that actually thinks Joe could stop Bernard.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(Fitz @ Dec 6 2007, 03:10 AM) [snapback]368663[/snapback]
I swear you have always made some of the strangest picks on this board, lol.


LOL Tommy is still around? I always got a chuckle out of his "Mesi KO1 Insert Any Top 10 Heavyweight Name Here" picks.

SpitShineTommy
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 6 2007, 04:41 PM) [snapback]368696[/snapback]
LOL Tommy is still around? I always got a chuckle out of his "Mesi KO1 Insert Any Top 10 Heavyweight Name Here" picks.



LOL!!!!! whats up BRUTAL....its your old buddy SPITSHINE!!!! its good to be bak posting with you guys

and yep I STILL BELIEVE...JOE MESI will be HW Champ very soon !!!!! hahahahaha

and I still stand by my other statement that SAM PETER will rule the HW division and be undisputed CHAMP in 2008 !!!!

BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(SpitShineTommy @ Dec 6 2007, 11:46 AM) [snapback]368699[/snapback]
LOL!!!!! whats up BRUTAL....its your old buddy SPITSHINE!!!! its good to be bak posting with you guys

and yep I STILL BELIEVE...JOE MESI will be HW Champ very soon !!!!! hahahahaha

and I still stand by my other statement that SAM PETER will rule the HW division and be undisputed CHAMP in 2008 !!!!


Hah. Looks like things have not changed!

Good to see you man.

BigG
laugh.gif Good to see you man.

Hopkins isnt getting slapped by those pitty pat slaps that Calzgahe throws.
hardhead
Honestly I would not LOSE a second of sleep if Joe fell off the face of the earth tomorrow.


I used to not have any problems with this guy several years ago but this chip on his shoulder shit he's always whinning about "i don't get any respect from the Americans, nobody wants to fight me etc" I really tried to give the guy a chance but I really don't care what he does at this point.

Over the years it was like clockwork, Hopkins and Jones are looking for fights, Calzaghe NOWHERE to be found, Hopkins and Jones sign to fight other guys, all of sudden Calzaghe comes out the wood work saying they ducked him this and that and that he wants to fight, all the while Hopkins(jones getting Koed so Joe missed his chance) is punching his ticket the to the HOF, what were you doing?? It took this guy like 7 years to fight two good fighters(Lacy, Kessler).

He took on Kessler and that was his biggest fight and definitely his most polished opponent since uh, uh, uh?? I'm drawing a blank??
Even then I almost feel in a way that Kessler was the one that made that fight happen way more then Joe ever did, he chased after Joe for over a year or two calling him out beating every mandatory. The even going into Joe's backyard and fighting him under all of his conditions to make the fight happen..
Maxy
QUOTE(hardhead @ Dec 6 2007, 10:41 PM) [snapback]368828[/snapback]
Honestly I would not LOSE a second of sleep if Joe fell off the face of the earth tomorrow.


I used to not have any problems with this guy several years ago but this chip on his shoulder shit he's always whinning about "i don't get any respect from the Americans, nobody wants to fight me etc" I really tried to give the guy a chance but I really don't care what he does at this point.

Over the years it was like clockwork, Hopkins and Jones are looking for fights, Calzaghe NOWHERE to be found, Hopkins and Jones sign to fight other guys, all of sudden Calzaghe comes out the wood work saying they ducked him this and that and that he wants to fight, all the while Hopkins(jones getting Koed so Joe missed his chance) is punching his ticket the to the HOF, what were you doing?? It took this guy like 7 years to fight two good fighters(Lacy, Kessler).

He took on Kessler and that was his biggest fight and definitely his most polished opponent since uh, uh, uh?? I'm drawing a blank??
Even then I almost feel in a way that Kessler was the one that made that fight happen way more then Joe ever did, he chased after Joe for over a year or two calling him out beating every mandatory. The even going into Joe's backyard and fighting him under all of his conditions to make the fight happen..


He did beat Eubank, who was no slouch, but yeah, I see your point.
BigG
Apparently they both exchanged some words at the MGM... This fight is going to happen for sure.
JD
Oh...you want pics...word...



Chico Escuela NYC
The money I would pay to see these two in a Kimbo style bare knuckle street brawl. More than $50 PPV that's for sure.
Jack 1000
At least this fight would not be boring and would bring out the younger, aggressive, and perhaps dirty Hopkins. I don't think Hopkins could win at this stage. But he can still be competitive against anyone. I do think he would have smashed Calzaghe say 5 years ago.

Jack
X3_Bazooka_X3
QUOTE(Jack 1000 @ Dec 7 2007, 03:58 PM) [snapback]368955[/snapback]
At least this fight would not be boring and would bring out the younger, aggressive, and perhaps dirty Hopkins. I don't think Hopkins could win at this stage. But he can still be competitive against anyone. I do think he would have smashed Calzaghe say 5 years ago.

Jack



I dont know to be honest with you the man did lose to Taylor twice who also has fast hands and he lost to Rjj another quick handed fighter if he fought Joe even just after he knocked out Tito I think Joe would have still won honestly.
caneman
QUOTE(Chico Escuela NYC @ Dec 7 2007, 06:16 PM) [snapback]368953[/snapback]
The money I would pay to see these two in a Kimbo style bare knuckle street brawl. More than $50 PPV that's for sure.



co-sign...i pick the alley! lol! laugh.gif
caneman
QUOTE(X3_Bazooka_X3 @ Dec 7 2007, 07:42 PM) [snapback]368963[/snapback]
I dont know to be honest with you the man did lose to Taylor twice who also has fast hands and he lost to Rjj another quick handed fighter if he fought Joe even just after he knocked out Tito I think Joe would have still won honestly.



i'd take BHOP in that! most on trhese boxing sites are to young to remember but the best hopkins was when he fought on FSN for $125K(tops)...becoming P4P was his down fall....the X that beat lipsey or simon brown would kill JT & give RJJ so much hell that he would not know what to do, even in RJJ's prime!
X3_Bazooka_X3
QUOTE(caneman @ Dec 7 2007, 04:58 PM) [snapback]368968[/snapback]
i'd take BHOP in that! most on trhese boxing sites are to young to remember but the best hopkins was when he fought on FSN for $125K(tops)...becoming P4P was his down fall....the X that beat lipsey or simon brown would kill JT & give RJJ so much hell that he would not know what to do, even in RJJ's prime!

Thats right but that hopkins has been long gone for years, and as it stands now Joe would crush B Hop
Method
Nope.
kidbazooka1
I hope Bhop beats the sh*t out of Calzaghe.
caneman
X should have said the old "i seen white boys like him take it in the ass all day long on "D" block" lmao laugh.gif
Boxingjunkie
QUOTE(caneman @ Dec 8 2007, 12:41 AM) [snapback]369001[/snapback]
X should have said the old "i seen white boys like him take it in the ass all day long on "D" block" lmao laugh.gif



LOL!! Maybe he didnt say it because it would have brought back to many memories of him on "D" block.
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