Since coming back, I have noticed that the forums are pretty dead. We have the old standbys here, but it seems like te topic sit in one position for hours on end. It also seems like the Fighthype area get more posts that anywhere else oddly enough.

FHWeBL sub forum > *

The fighthype WeBL forum is actually getting more posts than any other forum (with the exception of general boxing of course).

I think alot of posters got lost in the transition from btalk to fighthype. We also lost alot of guys due to wanton banning in the old days under the Leon regime.

I say we bring back the racist assholes like Jermaine, Suckapunch, and Reg_One. And then we can invite the rest of the dumbshits like Decagon, Hawkins, and that fucker who faked his own death on the internet. Round this motley crew out with Lefthook, DJ Necrogenic, and several others, and we'll see a move back to the way things used to be, lol.

I agree that it was too many bannings, along with the transition from boxingtalk to fighthype. Look at the classic section as an example. I think the boards were policed too much at a point.
Also people tried helping by having prediction leagues, webl league and even a new forum, but people just don't seem interested in participating in a lot of the things either.

I'd be ok with everyone except lefthook. He was a douche.

Yeah I mean the predictions league has just started up again (the deadline is today) and only a handful of posters have made predictions. Whats up with that? I keep seeing posts by people (they know who they are) about betting odds and such but these same people don't post predictions in a league format? Why is that?

Fighthype webl has a lot of posts by a select few posters but its going strong. More people should make gyms and get involved in that. Its not exactly time consuming.

The extreme moderating continues and had nothing to do with B-talk or Leon. That is where everyone went and I have always said that. I support FightHype but always wish that the boards were regulated by the users, or someone else. It always seems that the "webmasters" don't have time for the board and run it like a dictatorship just for fun. These forums are generally visited by adults, and adults will act like fools sometimes. You cannot have a message board and expect that everything will always be peaches and cream. Sure, no one wants to be harassed and we certainly don't want anyone to be profane, but this whole "I don't like you so you are banned" mentality sucks.

Some of the "jerks" that used to post on the boards were entertaining at the very least. Heck, I am sure that I am one of the jerks. But much like myself, I have seen guys get banned or suspended for absolutely nothing. Who wants to post in a message board when conflicting views will get you banned? Who wants to post in a message board with "cookie cutter" members who are are not allowed to be passionate, funny, or downright free to say just about anything? Moderation is great and is definitely needed, but let the boards be free. The whole point of a message board is to talk about boxing AND interact with other fans. Some of these fans may be off color, or downright idiots, but as long as they exhibit respect it should all be fair game.

Suck it and they will come.

A couple of points,

I believe in community input and reflecting on that community in a positive way. In the years and years that I have been here doing this, I seriously can count the number of people that I have needed to ban on one hand. Very, very rarely have I banned anyone. The exceptions are obvious trolls who spam the board by hurting the community. However, the trolling has been reduced to almost nothing. I don't think our rules/guidelines ask much of our users. What's important is showing respect, don't name-call, no racist or threating posts or porn. We keep these guidelines in accordance with our host server company, Invision. (Recommending keeping it PG/PG-13.) These elements were studied by us for months, (in many cases years) to create the best user-friendly experience. NO ONE, AND I REPEAT NO ONE JUST GETS BANNED FOR HAVING A DISSENTING OPINION. If that ever happened, I am not aware of this.

Anyone that knows me, Ben, our entire staff, and this great community knows that we don't ban people unless it is for obvious and overt reasons. People mentioned posters of the past in above threads. Guys like Lefthook, left completely on their own. They were not forced out by anyone. At the time, Lefty had some personal issues going on and just decided to leave the board. People complained to us about guys like Sukapunch, or Mike Ravens. Based on complaints from our users over extended time, study, and screening, of their posting behaviors, the community recommended that they go. The only real bad guy we had was Jermaine. He started cluttering the board with 800 threads and posts about Whitaker per day and engaged in some of the most overt, racist discriminating actions imaginable. He would send PM's to people threatening to hurt them or their families. This went on for 4 years, and we had to bring in outside security help because he would troll behind proxy servers like AOL, it was a nightmare.

But I have to respectfully disagree about the example that WhiteBuffallo believes that people are banned for having dissenting opinions. I really can't recall that being a problem and I am sure that we have asked staff in the past not to ban for dissenting opinions. In fact, we probably have the friendliest, most respected, most professional boxing forum on the Internet. It has survived all these years because of positive community input and moderation. We encourage diverse views on any topics. We encourage disagreement on topics and views. But we don't want our staffers and posters disrespected with name-calling, racist, threatening, or discriminating posts/thread. If the posters mentioned above did not leave on their own, they were required to be banned by us because of excessive issues with those four reasons after being repeatedly told to stop and ignoring our mods/admins warnings to do so. Other than trolls/spammers, no one gets banned "on the fly."

I think one of the reasons why there isn't a lot of action on the boards outside of the General Boxing Section is because there has not been a lot of mainstream interest in boxing except to its die-hard fans for several years. I believe that this is due to too many undeserved fights on PPV, the high cost of these fights, the lack of quality undercards, and the lack of a big money superstar who can draw interest and excitement to and for the general public. Boxing hasn't been mainstream to the General Public for years, and the way that it has been marketed exclusively to PPV and Premium cable leaves a lot of standard cable users and General Public interest out in the cold. Many of these professional athletes (especially boxers) are over-estimating their marquee value and demanding so much money, that in today's economic times, people can't afford to shell out $50-$60 for PPV to bank on one fight with a shitty undercard.

In contrast, we have seen an emergence of MMA as a very popular sport in recent years, with much stronger undercards and people who pack the arenas from first bout to last. (For boxing, everyone is at the Casino or the buffet before the main event.) It appears that we don't see the demands of outrageous purses from MMA combatants compared to boxers. MMA PPV's run at least $10 cheaper per card, and in general the MMA cards, based on users who follow them, seem to be better quality from top to bottom compared to boxing cards that bank everything on the main event, put so much into advertising the main event, that promoters refuse to budget for a strong undercard in most cases.

The point is fewer interest in boxing outside of mainstream regulars will draw less people to ANY FORUMS. It is the way that the fight game is structured, the political flaws in the system that it is only marketed to the rich and/or powerful who can afford to take chances on overpriced PPV's, mandating HBO/Showtime to have access to any decent boxing. This has nothing to do with how our staff regulates or moderates the forums and site. Get the next Louis, Ali, Leonard, Tyson, Hagler or Hearns out there to the general public, and any boxing forums will rise to the occasion. But you have to have those types of boxers in the game that people want to discuss.

For the non-boxing forums, less traffic is to be expected. But I think that is due to people being so busy with school, work, and family issues, that they don't have time to post, or sometimes there just isn't a lot of general conversation to talk about. Things always pick up, sometimes exponentially when interesting topics arise. But I think the focus should be on what can get the general public interested in boxing again. I think that if boxing had a marque fighter that could get the mainstream public interested again you would see even more users coming to the board. But the lack of interest has nothing to do with any of us over-banning or over-moderating our users. I see no evidence of that at all.

Jack

Administrator

Oh I saw Avon ban people for a simple difference of opinion. Avon did a HUGE amount of damage to the board IMHO. BUT.....now that he is gone, it has become MUCH MUCH better.

BUT....every now and again I do get the sense that some of the current mods do still tend to get a little over zelous with their power. But it's never a huge problem like it was with Avon.


But another thing I really think may have hurt the board.....was the creation of some sort of eliteist sub group.....I thought that was a totally classless addition to the board and never once thought of ever joining it. That really puts a wall up for new members.....even if it's easy to join, I think it really might be a turn off for new people who join and see it.

Do you mean the WebL group?

Avon left? I'll be posting a lot more from now on then.

Hype suspended me for two months because I stated that "the board would be a lot better off without Akay". And to think, I said that half-joking during some good natured discussion about the boards.

Anyone who tells me that the incident wasn't an abuse of power is out of their mind. I am not rehashing or bringing up crap from the past, but this type of behavior really dampens the spirits around here. Sure, he can suspend or ban whoever he wants, and I can certainly take it, but I thought that the staff would appreciate its supporters. Now furthermore, I haven't seen any abuse lately, but maybe that is because I just found my way back.

Avon was terribly abusive when it came to mods, but there always has been a few unfair "others". I will clarify my previous post though. Jack1000 and BigGeorge89 are EXCELLENT mods who do allow us to have some fun every now and then. They also do not start threatening members when they disagree, nor do they ever throw their weight around because they have the power.

I post this because I really do want to see the boards rebound, a return to the "old skool" days. I am just offering my opinion for anyone who might want to listen. Many, many of the banned posters were actually quite informative and fun to read. Other than an incident or two, I still do not know why they were banned forever. Seems kinda' silly to me.

I guess I'm on the same page with you, Buffalo. Dipshits like Reg_One, Decagon, Suckapunch, and Hawkins obviously have no place in society, but I think having totally classless bums like them on the forums keeps things interesting. Maybe some people want the tea and crumpets style approach that Jack wants, but I myself would sometimes rather just see an old-fashione race debate crop up from time to time, complete with hurt feelings and foaming, rabid maniacs getting bent out of shape over it. It's good to let that shit get out of control sometimes, the same way its good for forests to catch on fire every now and then.

It just seems a little boring to see the same drones going in circles over and over again, rehashing the same shit over and over. Is Floyd Mayweather overrated, is boxing killing pay-per-view, what can we do to improve the sport, etc... I mean, seriously, how much more good conversation can we milk out of that shit? At least when all the assholes were here we could debate Reg's useless racial superiority theme, or get Hawkins opinion on why Jack Dempsey could KO any heavyweight alive today, or, if we were really lucky, we might catch Decagon threating to have carnal relations with some other poster's underage daughter, lol.

Whatever though, this is neither here nor there I guess, because those guys aren't coming back, and no one else is going to come along to take their place either. I think this forum is pretty much set in stone the way it is, give or take a few members.

^ You bitches can help by joining WeBL again.

I'll NEVER join WeBL again as long as you're running it ya heartless, cheating bastard!

I'll even give you guys some of my good characters. Things are really picking up.

I'll even give you guys some of my good characters. Things are really picking up.

I think alot of it has to do with overmoderation... this place is like a PG forum and its boring.. I say if I want to call some puto rican, a banana picking monkey, then I should be able to. If I want to call some aussie, a cock smoking dingo fucker, I should be able to. Plus you assholes never get online anymore I have to wait 3 hours for a reply and by then Im tired of waiting..

Man....I was good at that shit! I could make Avon piss himself with anger by talking shit about Muslims!

Fucking Beaner.

someone get me Avon's home address. i want to send him a case of rancid twinkies as a "thank you" for making me fear my own posts...

Avon sucked balls.....but he did bring out the absolute worst in me and for that I have to hate him! lol

I once saw him ban a dude for simply disagreeing with him on a political stance.

I made an off color comment about Muslims one day and he PMs me and says I may get banned if I keep that up...then when I ask him about it on the boards he tries to pretend he was just giving me a heads up due to OTHER mods thinking about banning me!

PURE BS! The only other Mod that ever gave me any real BS was Lefthook....but from what I understand he was having some problems in his personal life at the time and was kind of not 100% to blame. As a matter of fact I've spoken with Left since then and he seems to be 100% cool now....hopefully he will come back.

When I first started way back in the day....I NEVER thought I'd see a bigger AHOLE than Mike Ravens or Dicklickagon.....but Avon Lady proved to be 100x the asswipe IMO!

Cannot say I miss him one bit.....and I KNOW the feeling is mutual! lol

It's too bad Avon left. I miss him. I miss JerryDrake too. And the classic guys were always cool to have around as well.

I have to take at least partial responsibility for Jerry leaving, and I kind of feel bad about it. I used to ride him pretty hard about knocking out a goddamn moose or whatever fucking shit he came up with. Jesus, now I don't even feel bad about it anymore. What an idiot.

Avon was a cunt. End of story.

He didn't leave. He was banned. I dont know why the hell he was banned....he never did anything against the rules. I think cuz he challenged lefthook to a streetfight in canada. But when lefthook challenged guys to streetfights, he never got the boot.

There are so many that are gone. Mike Ravens was a tool. Jerry Drake was funny as hell. He was to these forums what Charlie Zelenoff is to Boxrecs forums. Decagon was a dick head, but was pretty knowledgeable. What happened to Hawkins? I know him and Jack were the ones that seemed to keep the classic forums alive.

Hawkins was banned for knowing too much

lefthook was a tool, challenging people to fights in the mean streets of toronto.

Man, I like Lefthook, he was funny as fuck.. He went a bit overboard with the mod shit.. Which is why I came up with Officer Lefthook, but he was still cool. I miss the days of old. General Discussion has all but died.

Q: How many Mexicans does it take to swipe a name you coined for a fellow poster?

A: Just 1.......EVERYBODY knows it was me that coined the term "Officer Hook"!

I don't mind you stealing my shit Necro....just give credit where it is due. lol

So no one has his address? These twinkies are starting to smell...

Are you sure? I could have sworn I did it, and even made a funny picture of him too? Maybe youre right I tend to have a horrible memory. Oh well... I still want credit

I never had a problem with Avon either... I always (still) think he's a cool guy.

I tend to miss all of the old guys who were a bit limited. You know, like the ones that could hardly form a sentence. For instance, braxtonbomber....remember that idiot? LOL....the guy was a Danny Williams nuthugger who created a thousands posts telling us that "danny is de bomb. he knock out tyson".

It's the little idiots that I miss......lol

The good thing about these boards is that there are no trolls. The other good thing is that we all know each other and there are not as many members here as in other boards. But I agree that over the long haul that can get a bit boring.

Luckily, there are 2 or 3 new posters here at Fighthype who seem to be very stubborn and hopefully this will create some very needed friciton in the boards.

It's all BrutalBothaShots fault for running off Mister Saint Laurent! Now the boards are dead!


Damn you Brutal!!!

JD is also responsible for lefthook leaving fighthype.

Who gave him the Officer Hook tag?

Man....that dude PM'd me some crazy nonsense when I said "pro" wrestling was fake. All I said was predetermined bouts....hiding the razors under the taped fingers....common info even the most DIE HARD wrestling fans know. He pmd me saying how could I devulge such things.....and that most wrestling fans were NOT aware of these things.....lol

I knew that shit back when I was into it when I was a kid!

And how about Drag Racer faking his own death?

Or how about that great picture of the little Chinese boy getting a shot.....somebody labled it OWNED....and listed a bunch of posters as the Chinese on lookers! lol

I've still got the B-Day pic of Roll Deep jumping out of a cake that I would post in honor of people's B-Days! lol

Oh man......never in the history of message boards has someone stooped so pathetically low as Drag Queen did when he faked his own death!

When he rose from the grave....I was on his case like flies on shit! He vowed never to come back to these boards because of the constant harassment. What a loser!

that saint laurent wrestling guy was a douche. i remember going at him with him about something. I'll tell you i always liked avon too, he was a pretty cool jew.

Dude tweaked because I called him on bashing Winky Wright in the chat...freaking bizarre. I am sure we can dig that gem of a thread up...

...and here it is... http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...ic=14777&hl

BG gave him the name Officer Hook, but I still don't know who gave him the Officer Hook tag under his name - he was irate. Avon said he didn't do it, so I am at a loss.

HA HA HA - that thread was brilliant. Thanks for cheering up my day
"....you are big and strong and tough!"

I still come on here often - I just don't post much . . I never have. I'm not on here as much as I used to be cos I've got loads on. I'm trying to get through LOADS of work cos I'm leaving work soon . . . . . as I've just found out I'm going to be a mom! So trying to clear up loads of stuff work-wise . .. . stress stress stress. Plus plans for extention on our house . .. stress stress stress.

Brothers have turned gay. I've noticed they're not on here too.

going to be a mom? did dj finally get to you and knock you up?

Yeah settled in okay - been there amost a year now and finally finished unpacking LAST weekend! We're so unorganised. Planning on getting big extension done before birth (August, I'm just over 2 months at the moment) but that's just NOT gonna happen, so big stress at the moment. We'll be living in a building site . . . .

LOL @Rusty. . . . .

Look at STEVENSKI defending Lefthook in that thread....

JD, I always thought it was you who put the tag. No one admitted to doing it....For some reason though, I think it was Hype or Akay.

I sure as hell didn't do it...I never had a problem with Lefthook. He was cool. But he could also be a dick.

Avon should really come back.

I also wouldnt mind having Drake again.

Too much banning IMO.

Hahaha, I remember something about that. What picture was it?

I think somewhere in the picture thread you had posted a pic of yourself after sparring or something.....all sweat and blood. I cut it out had you jumping out of a cake and gave it to your sister on her B-Day a few years back. lol Then I made it a ritual of giving it to anybody who had a birthday.

I kept it up for awhile....then slacked off.....then completely lost track of the site for some time after the split. I need to bring it back!

I also did a really good professional looking one of DJ as the shooter in that Amish community, it was like the cover of Newsweek or something.....I think it blended in all too well....nobody noticed it for shit. I'm going to try and dig that one up and repost it.


AND...in all of this talk about past poster cool or not......how can nobody bring up BAM BAM!

HOLY SHIT!!!! Damn my super-sperm working from all the way across continents

Congratulations Becky, thats so cool. You are going to be such a good mommy.