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Douchebag
I know I'm ;not the only one that shares this sentiment.
BigJuicyHog
Please elaborate. What does he do that is so terrible for boxing. He brings boxing into the mainstream, get casual fans to watch, and has done a hell of a job as a promoter. If anything I think he is great for boxing.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jan 17 2008, 02:54 PM) [snapback]375111[/snapback]
I know I'm ;not the only one that shares this sentiment.


I don't think he's bad for boxing at all.

Douchebag
As a promoter I can't knock him, but as far as him being boxer he is a joke imo. He has no interest taking it seriously and yeah casual fans will tune in to his fights but almost anybody with boxing IQ over 10 knows he is not taking it seriously and should not get the attention that he gets. I mean when he gets in the ring with some one like PBF he is potentially jeopordising fights that really matter in boxing. Like PBF and any of the other real threats at Welterweight.
Jack 1000
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jan 17 2008, 01:54 PM) [snapback]375111[/snapback]
I know I'm ;not the only one that shares this sentiment.


You need to elaborate as to how and why he is bad for boxing,

I think the good points are that he draws the mainstream population into the sport (as best as can be expected.) He brings strong revenues to the Latin-American populations and to the casinos. He is a very successful promoter who enjoys what he is doing and wants to make as much money as he can.

Some of the negatives are that throughout his career he has changed his mind many times, saying these to please the crowd but eventually doing the opposite. He also faced criticism by fighting in divisions lower than his natural weight, working more in his own interest rather than what the fans would like to see. In later years, he seems to be more interested in money rather than promising to go out with an action fight.

But overall, Oscar is good for boxing because he represents the last of a needed breed of fighter with whom the general public can identify. He fought some very good to great fighters in his career and brought about huge PPV incomes for the boxing economy. I would say that Delahoya represents far more good in boxing than bad.

Jack
MarzB
I understand the author's sentiment although overall "bad" may not be a good term. If I can play mind reader I think he's saying that Oscar is 'bad" because him being such a cash cow, he's able to dictate terms, conditions and match ups that tend to affect the boxing landscape.. Good and bad...

Whoever he chooses to fight focuses their efforts on him and you'd be a fool not to due to the $$$ involved. Those on the "outs" are relegated again to being out of contention. (ie, DLH vs. Floyd II, now potential matchups with PBF get moved back)..

Am I right??

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Me personally, I think he's one of the most overrated, phonies their is who makes me utterly sick. I'll give credit where its due, he's not an ELITE boxer but he teeters on the good-very good scale. However talk about being lucky or just being in the right place right time or as it's said (Holmes or King can't remember who). He has the right "complexion to make the connection".. Whether its his appearance that women find appealing, being the last of a generation of boxers who's been the poster boy of amateur boxing that was profiled back when amateurs were still being shown widespread on television. To his pro career where boxing (IMO) has turned from a mainstream sport to being promoted directly towards the latin audience (an extremely vocal and loyal audience I might add). He's benefited from it.

He's considered an automatic hall of famer which blows my mind considering all the controversial decisions he's received (Whitaker, Quartey, Sturm) and damn near every big fight save for Vargas and Maryoga he's lost (the Pea fight doesn't count). Added to that his lack of professionalism when it comes to the sport (do we need to point to his conditioning issues and his Sturm appearance. good lord)..

That said, even though GBP aren't too much different than the DKP and Top Rank, atleast he added a third promotional arm into the fray. I think his overall cards could be better and he could try some things that would increase buy rate like lowering the price of a PPV or have a scaled buying system (ie, $30 before blank date and $$$ day of). But overall from the GBP front his definitely put in work..

Personally I can't stand him because he's a triple talker but overall I guess he's not that bad overall..

The Original MrFactor
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jan 17 2008, 02:54 PM) [snapback]375111[/snapback]
I know I'm ;not the only one that shares this sentiment.


I tend to agree. Oscar helps drive up the cost of PPV's for the NON casual fans. For our $50 we get Mayweather/DLH2. Many of us NON casual fans would rather see something else. Oscar also helps the idea that corruption rules the sport. $$ rather than rankings decides who fights who for what titles. Oscar has no business fighting anyone for a title. He hasnt earned it. No order to things equals bad for boxing. Its kinda like WWFish, where the popular loudmouth gets moved to the top of the rankings.

Example would be like baseball. The Yankees have won more world titles than any other team. It doesnt mean they automatically get a free ride to the World series each year. The Yankees being in the wrld series would generate much more money than the Milwaukee brewers being there. If they dont earn it on the BB diamond, then they dont belong in the big dance. Kinda like DLH. he hasnt earned it in the ring. But, he gets a free pass to the Boxing's World Series based on accomplishments that occured in the 90's. Somehow i dont see that as good for boxing. I know peple wll say, thats been going on fo a long time. Well DLH, said he was going to change things. He wont. Its gonna take government intervention. If I were in DLH's shoes and I could make $50 mill being bad for boxing, I'd do it too...
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jan 17 2008, 08:27 PM) [snapback]375117[/snapback]
As a promoter I can't knock him, but as far as him being boxer he is a joke imo. He has no interest taking it seriously and yeah casual fans will tune in to his fights but almost anybody with boxing IQ over 10 knows he is not taking it seriously and should not get the attention that he gets. I mean when he gets in the ring with some one like PBF he is potentially jeopordising fights that really matter in boxing. Like PBF and any of the other real threats at Welterweight.



Some of the hate in this thread is unbelievable.

Jeapordising fights?

How so when he gave PBF the most competitive fight he has had in years & made the biggest fight of the year?

Chi-Town
I'm gonna try to pull this all together. Oscar is good and bad for boxing.
GOOD

He's good because he brings in the casual fan and is revolutionizing the promotion game. He's one of those athletes that people recognize even if they don't follow the sport like Pele or David Beckham in soccer or Dale Earnhart in racing. Sooo many people (fighters and non-fighters for that matter) have tried over the years to launch a promotional company and the VAST majority fail. He's good for boxing in that regard because he is the American dream personified, poor immigrant parents, winning an Olympic Gold Medal he promised to his mother as she was dying, and ultimately becoming a legitamate business tycoon and self made multi- millionare while helping revitalize his impoverished community. Moreover, he's good for boxing because he is one of the only established fighters in the game who has demonstrated over and over again that he will fight anybody in or around his weight class irregardless of how overmatched he might be as long as it makes for a big event. And even though his image is fake and he's a prick and a cheapskate, he is still percieved as "such a nice man" by the public.

BAD

He's bad because as another poster mentioned he has gotten two title shots that he in no way deserved in the past couple of years (Sturm and Mayorga) Also, since the Hopkins fight, he has shown no real dedication to the sport as a fighter. I'm convinced that he is either A. Stupid (yes, self made millionares can be stupid) or B. he doesn't really care all that much about winning. I say this because he continues to sell himself short by being inactive for such long periods of time and on top of that comes back to fight top guys. I don't care what he says about his "nagging injuries", when you fight the best fighter that you have ever fought IN YOUR LIFE with no tune up AND you're 34/35 years old, you're setting yourself up for failure. He's bad for boxing because he has truly become a part-time fighter in every way imaginable, the problem is that being an "A-List" fighter is not a part-time job so something's gotta give, and what's been giving lately are his number of losses. Anyone read about his stupid ass proposal for a training schedule?
Elijah
"Anyone read about his stupid ass proposal for a training schedule?"

I haven't heard anything about this, speak on it.
Chi-Town
QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 17 2008, 05:46 PM) [snapback]375132[/snapback]
"Anyone read about his stupid ass proposal for a training schedule?"

I haven't heard anything about this, speak on it.


In a nutshell he's gonna train for 3 days a week until July, then 4 days a week until fight night.
D-MARV
WELL, Boxrec.com has the fight in place for Sept. 20 in Las Vegas. WOW!
Floyd better KO him!
kidbazooka1
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jan 17 2008, 03:54 PM) [snapback]375111[/snapback]
I know I'm ;not the only one that shares this sentiment.


That is just so far from the truth. If you wanna say DLH is bad for boxing than fighters like Floyd are killing boxing with there defensive type of fighting that is turning off the casual fight fans.

DLH has done alot for boxing and IMO is a great figure for the sport. I can't see how anyone one would think DLH is bad for boxing unless they are big time Oscar haters.
xxxxxx
QUOTE(kidbazooka1 @ Jan 17 2008, 10:21 PM) [snapback]375150[/snapback]
That is just so far from the truth. If you wanna say DLH is bad for boxing than fighters like Floyd are killing boxing with there defensive type of fighting that is turning off the casual fight fans.

DLH has done alot for boxing and IMO is a great figure for the sport. I can't see how anyone one would think DLH is bad for boxing unless they are big time Oscar haters.


Listen up Kid, Mayweather has been in exciting fights also.I know many casual fans that enjoyed his slaughter of Ricky Hatton and thought it was very entertaining.Quit living in the past when he fought Baldomir cautiously.And if you expect him to sit there and trade with De La Hoya for 12 rounds your an idiot.With that said, I agree with you that Oscar isn't bad for boxing.
kidbazooka1
QUOTE(xxxxxx @ Jan 17 2008, 10:43 PM) [snapback]375152[/snapback]
Listen up Kid, Mayweather has been in exciting fights also.I know many casual fans that enjoyed his slaughter of Ricky Hatton and thought it was very entertaining.Quit living in the past when he fought Baldomir cautiously.And if you expect him to sit there and trade with De La Hoya for 12 rounds your an idiot.With that said, I agree with you that Oscar isn't bad for boxing.


Most people I know and myself do not enjoy watching Mayweather fight the guy is f*cking boring. If you like to cough up $50 to watch his ass dance around like a f&cking fairy knock yourself out.

I know you may come back with thats the science part of boxing but that sh*t is BS. I enjoy the techincal part of boxing but Mayweather just puts your ass to sleep. When people think about boxing they think of two fighters fighting and going at it not one muthaf*cker running and the other chasing him down.
Jack 1000
QUOTE(kidbazooka1 @ Jan 17 2008, 09:23 PM) [snapback]375160[/snapback]
Most people I know and myself do not enjoy watching Mayweather fight the guy is f*cking boring. If you like to cough up $50 to watch his ass dance around like a f&cking fairy knock yourself out.

I know you may come back with thats the science part of boxing but that sh*t is BS. I enjoy the techincal part of boxing but Mayweather just puts your ass to sleep. When people think about boxing they think of two fighters fighting and going at it not one muthaf*cker running and the other chasing him down.



Well at least the Hatton fight was entertaining with Mayweather and so was Castillo I. But now we are back to Mayweather-Delahoya II, and if it happens.........UGGHHH! That is bad for boxing and for both Delahoya and Mayweather, because it only serves pocketbook interests.

Jack
Warlord
Oscar is not bad for boxing, he's just bad for boxing fans who prefer boxers with something more to offer than a pretty face and a fake ass personality.
xxxxxx
QUOTE(kidbazooka1 @ Jan 17 2008, 11:23 PM) [snapback]375160[/snapback]
Most people I know and myself do not enjoy watching Mayweather fight the guy is f*cking boring. If you like to cough up $50 to watch his ass dance around like a f&cking fairy knock yourself out.

I know you may come back with thats the science part of boxing but that sh*t is BS. I enjoy the techincal part of boxing but Mayweather just puts your ass to sleep. When people think about boxing they think of two fighters fighting and going at it not one muthaf*cker running and the other chasing him down.



Ok Kid, lets look at Mayweather's ppv fights.

Mayweather vs Gatti...I considered this fight to be very entertaining, maybe the most entertaining.Mayweather destroyed Gatti and beat him up bad.The great part of it was that many people felt Gatti had the tools to beat Mayweather.lol

Mayweather vs Judah...This was a great fight.If you weren't entertained by the actual fight maybe the riot entertained you.lol.That don't happen in boxing very often.Judah came out strong in the fight and looked good until Mayweather started to peck away at him and punish him.Mayweather was coming on very strong and looked close to stopping Judah until the riot started.Very entertaining fight in my opinion.

Mayweather vs Baldomir...Baldomir was pitted as the new Cinderella man after his wins vs Judah and Gatti, but we all new better.The fight was entertaining for about 2 rounds and once Mayweather realized he couldn't hurt this guy he backed off and pot shotted all night long to Victory.Many fans were dissapointed and critisized him for this..they all must of forgot about his first 2 ppv fights which were entertaining or the fact that he hurt his hands on that huge melon Baldomir has or the fact that He wanted to stay healthy as possible for the De La Hoya fight that was on the horizon.Mayweather still dominated Baldomir to set up his showdown with Oscar De La Hoya.

Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya...The biggest and highest grossing fight in Boxing History.The fight to save Boxing.I don't know if any fight or fighter can live up to that expectation.The fight was overhyped and turned into a chess match.I personally didn't think the fight was all that bad, I didn't expect Mayweather to trade for 12 straight rounds with a bigger and stronger guy.He had some nice counter shots that stunned Oscar a few times though and moments of a toe to toe battle.Mayweather won the fight clearly, but it was a competitive fight fought at a very high level.At the very least, if you ordered this fight, you can say you seen the highest grossing fight in boxing history Live.

Mayweather vs Hatton...Probably Mayweather's finest moment.A great and very entertaining fight.The only fight that compares to this one would be the Gatti fight.Mayweather pushed himself hard in this one and traded with Hatton on several occassions.Mayweather was the favorite, but many thought Hatton had the relentless aggression to beat Floyd.Remember, Hatton was undefeated...Not anymore.Mayweather toyed with Hatton from round 6 on and fininished him off in impressive fashion.Very entertaining.
streetlion1
laugh.gif No Way is DLH bad for boxing!! His whole career he has fought all comers...been a warrior (besides the last Trinidad rounds) and as a promoter has always tried to make the biggest fights happen! Now if anyone could be called bad for boxing at this point it is PBF! You cant blame DLH in wanting to get a win over someone everyone is calling the "king". DLH has always been about what kind of legacy he wants to leave...maybe he feels a win over the best P4P would be his defining moment. PBF is the one who should've/could've taken another fight...he is the champion...he should've fought the TRUE welterweight champ Miguel Cotto...instead he went out like a coward and is choosing to fight DLH in September. Its fighters like PBF that are bad for boxing...walking around calling himself the best...but he sure doesnt wanna prove it....he is a JOKE at welterweight at this point in time. No matter what anyone says. The fact that he chose the DLH rematch only proves more-so that he is a Paycheck fighter....and to me just doesnt deserve to be called the best. Now watch he'll get his 2nd decision over DLH..and when they ask him again about Cotto he'll say..."I have nothing more to prove".....What a coward! thumbsdown_anim.gif
WolfishPromistah
Why is Oscar's training schedule so seemingly crazy to some, if he's staying busy to keep in shape for what's coming his way -- to stay toned and sharp? My guess is he's trying to take notes from guys like Hopkins "and" Floyd on that one.
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(Warlord @ Jan 18 2008, 12:41 AM) [snapback]375165[/snapback]
Oscar is not bad for boxing, he's just bad for boxing fans who prefer boxers with something more to offer than a pretty face and a fake ass personality.

Well put. Good for boxing, bad for boxing fans. I agree.

As a fan I think the PBF-DLH rematch sucks shit, but it will make boatloads, so who am I to argue...
kidbazooka1
QUOTE(xxxxxx @ Jan 18 2008, 04:13 AM) [snapback]375174[/snapback]
Ok Kid, lets look at Mayweather's ppv fights.

Mayweather vs Gatti...I considered this fight to be very entertaining, maybe the most entertaining.Mayweather destroyed Gatti and beat him up bad.The great part of it was that many people felt Gatti had the tools to beat Mayweather.lol

Mayweather vs Judah...This was a great fight.If you weren't entertained by the actual fight maybe the riot entertained you.lol.That don't happen in boxing very often.Judah came out strong in the fight and looked good until Mayweather started to peck away at him and punish him.Mayweather was coming on very strong and looked close to stopping Judah until the riot started.Very entertaining fight in my opinion.

Mayweather vs Baldomir...Baldomir was pitted as the new Cinderella man after his wins vs Judah and Gatti, but we all new better.The fight was entertaining for about 2 rounds and once Mayweather realized he couldn't hurt this guy he backed off and pot shotted all night long to Victory.Many fans were dissapointed and critisized him for this..they all must of forgot about his first 2 ppv fights which were entertaining or the fact that he hurt his hands on that huge melon Baldomir has or the fact that He wanted to stay healthy as possible for the De La Hoya fight that was on the horizon.Mayweather still dominated Baldomir to set up his showdown with Oscar De La Hoya.

Mayweather vs Oscar De La Hoya...The biggest and highest grossing fight in Boxing History.The fight to save Boxing.I don't know if any fight or fighter can live up to that expectation.The fight was overhyped and turned into a chess match.I personally didn't think the fight was all that bad, I didn't expect Mayweather to trade for 12 straight rounds with a bigger and stronger guy.He had some nice counter shots that stunned Oscar a few times though and moments of a toe to toe battle.Mayweather won the fight clearly, but it was a competitive fight fought at a very high level.At the very least, if you ordered this fight, you can say you seen the highest grossing fight in boxing history Live.

Mayweather vs Hatton...Probably Mayweather's finest moment.A great and very entertaining fight.The only fight that compares to this one would be the Gatti fight.Mayweather pushed himself hard in this one and traded with Hatton on several occassions.Mayweather was the favorite, but many thought Hatton had the relentless aggression to beat Floyd.Remember, Hatton was undefeated...Not anymore.Mayweather toyed with Hatton from round 6 on and fininished him off in impressive fashion.Very entertaining.


Mayweather vs gatti-What was so entertaining about that fight? Mayweather beat up a bum in Gatti thats alll.

mayweather vs Judah-The only entertaining part of that fight was when Roger came in the ring.

Mayweather vs Baldo- are you seriouse?

Mayweather vs DLH-Oscar tried to make the fight but Mayweather prevented a fight from breaking out.

If you seriousley believe that those were entertaining fights then you haven't seen much.

Hagler/Hearns,Morales/MAB I, Marquez/Vasquez I&II, Castillo/Corrales I, those were great entertaining fights not the sparring sessions you mentioned.
streetlion1
QUOTE(Warlord @ Jan 17 2008, 10:41 PM) [snapback]375165[/snapback]
Oscar is not bad for boxing, he's just bad for boxing fans who prefer boxers with something more to offer than a pretty face and a fake ass personality.

Bad for boxing fans?! Thats funny because if he is so bad for the fans why do his fights still draw the most $$$? It sure isnt his opponents bringing in all that cheese! He is still boxings "golden Boy". comes to fight in every fight and only wants to make the biggest fights as a promoter. If anything he is good for the fans...he gets casual fans interested and always tries to give real fans their moneys worth....Take a look at PBF for someone who is bad for boxing and its fans!
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(streetlion1 @ Jan 18 2008, 12:48 PM) [snapback]375201[/snapback]
Bad for boxing fans?! Thats funny because if he is so bad for the fans why do his fights still draw the most $$$? It sure isnt his opponents bringing in all that cheese! He is still boxings "golden Boy". comes to fight in every fight and only wants to make the biggest fights as a promoter. If anything he is good for the fans...he gets casual fans interested and always tries to give real fans their moneys worth....Take a look at PBF for someone who is bad for boxing and its fans!

Dude you are starting to reveal yourself as a serious Oscar fanboy with little ability to look at something objectively. Nothing you say here refutes the original point. Yes, he draws the most $$$, because he draws in the casual, non fans. So yes, he's good for boxing. But for hardcore fans who want to see the best fights, no he isn't good, because his ovrwhelming popularity (with the non-fans) and uncanny ability to bring in dollars takes precedence over great matchups with fighters who are more worthy at this point in their careers. PBF-DLH 2 is not a good fight for hardcore fans. Period.
Big Slim Sweet
PBF's PPV's:

Gatti: This was a horrible, horrible fight. If you found it entertaining you're a shit bag. Did you enjoy Lewis-Tyson as well? This was an execution, and anyone who knew a damn thing about boxing knew it would be.

Judah: Decent fight, no more, made so mostly by the fact that Zab showed he could actually hang with Floyd before the wheels inevitably started falling off. The brawl was amusing, as anything involving Uncle Roger would be.

Baldomir: Dog shit.

Oscar: This was an event, not a fight. I didn't care for it, but it gets a pass from me on magnitude alone. If nothing else it was fun hearing office dickheads who don't know anything about the fight game waxing poetic once again.

Hatton: Great event and very good fight. Ricky brought it, but Floyd answered big time. He almost had me back, but now with this Oscar rematch BS he lost me all over again.
BigG
I did not enjoy Tyson-Lewis because I love Tyson...but I enjoyed the Mayweather-Gatti fight...that was quite a performance.

Judah-Floyd was good...fought at high level. I love that fight.

DLH-Floyd was decent...

Floyd-Baldo was nothing special...Floyd did what he had to do.

Floyd-Hatton was GREAT.



streetlion1
QUOTE(Big Slim @ Jan 18 2008, 11:03 AM) [snapback]375204[/snapback]
Dude you are starting to reveal yourself as a serious Oscar fanboy with little ability to look at something objectively. Nothing you say here refutes the original point. Yes, he draws the most $$$, because he draws in the casual, non fans. So yes, he's good for boxing. But for hardcore fans who want to see the best fights, no he isn't good, because his ovrwhelming popularity (with the non-fans) and uncanny ability to bring in dollars takes precedence over great matchups with fighters who are more worthy at this point in their careers. PBF-DLH 2 is not a good fight for hardcore fans. Period.

Well yeah I am an Oscar fan...and I do agree the rematch is not a good fight for Real boxing fans. However, to say he is bad for fans or bad for boxing is just not true. Its like you are blaming him for the fights other guys choose. Yes people will want to fight him because of the money...and all in all I dont think that is good for the people (I being one of them) who want to see the best fight the best. DLH is clearly not what he used to be but can still hold his own at this point. I think that PBF could've taken his place as boxings main attraction if he would fight the way he did...or didnt play the role of the "bad guy" constantly. I blame PBF for not doing what is right for the sport....DLH is still there in the spotlight...but PBF is the top dog right now...and that top dog isnt living up to his billing as the best P4P. I dare say that if PBF fought a guy like Cotto or PW that the fight would generate close to record numbers because people want to see him fight the best. This bullshit rematch is the product of PBF's choosey "ducking" mentality. Yes there are guys who are more worthy of stepping in the ring with PBF.....Someone should tell PBF that!!
kidbazooka1
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 18 2008, 02:05 PM) [snapback]375214[/snapback]
I did not enjoy Tyson-Lewis because I love Tyson...but I enjoyed the Mayweather-Gatti fight...that was quite a performance.

Judah-Floyd was good...fought at high level. I love that fight.

DLH-Floyd was decent...

Floyd-Baldo was nothing special...Floyd did what he had to do.

Floyd-Hatton was GREAT.


You gotta be kidding about Floyd/Hatton being a great fight.

MAB/Morales II which was the weakest of the trilogies makes Floyd/Hatton look like sh*t.
kidbazooka1
QUOTE(Big Slim @ Jan 18 2008, 01:03 PM) [snapback]375204[/snapback]
Dude you are starting to reveal yourself as a serious Oscar fanboy with little ability to look at something objectively. Nothing you say here refutes the original point. Yes, he draws the most $$$, because he draws in the casual, non fans. So yes, he's good for boxing. But for hardcore fans who want to see the best fights, no he isn't good, because his ovrwhelming popularity (with the non-fans) and uncanny ability to bring in dollars takes precedence over great matchups with fighters who are more worthy at this point in their careers. PBF-DLH 2 is not a good fight for hardcore fans. Period.


C'mon you can't realy believe that all of the muthaf*ckers that fill up the arena's for a DLH fight are all casual fans.

Oscar has many hardcore fans infact I believe Oscar has more hardcore and ofcourse casual fans than say someone like Mayweather. Just because DLH is not liked much on these board doesn't mean no one else does.
Southeastpaw
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 18 2008, 01:05 PM) [snapback]375214[/snapback]
I did not enjoy Tyson-Lewis because I love Tyson...but I enjoyed the Mayweather-Gatti fight...that was quite a performance.

Judah-Floyd was good...fought at high level. I love that fight.

DLH-Floyd was decent...

Floyd-Baldo was nothing special...Floyd did what he had to do.

Floyd-Hatton was GREAT.


Same here.
Mean Mister Mustard
Intelligent posts from some of the long time posters here, others just plain idiotic.

Oscar is good for the sport overall. I the 90's when there was no Tyson, DLH brought us all back to the lower divisions. He was a mgestar and when he used to fight 3 or 4 times a year he was very present in mainstream TV. I suspect that many of the people who say otherwise have only started watching boxing around 3 or 4 years ago.

Personally, I dislike DLH. I almost always root against him, one exception was the PBF fight. Plus he's a fake and he usually takes on fighters after they have been defeated or are oler and slower. He took on Vargas after Trinidad had knocked his ass out, he took on Mayorga after Tito knocked his ass out, took on Whitaker when the man was 35 and noe longer in his prime, took on Quartey after a layoff and bad showing and only took on Mosley after his defeats against Forrest.

But the man drew fans into boxing and created some big events. Trinidad fight was a letdown but don't tell me you weren't hyped about it didn't make your week preceding the event easier. Plus he was not a horrible fighter. He beat smaller men before he was a welter but at least he dispatched them quickly and in impressive fashion. Well the Molina fight was not impressive but other than that one his destruction of Leija and Ruelas were fun.

He beat Whitaker who even though he was old and probably on coke, showed up in shape and ready to fight. He eeked out Quartey, deserved the Trinidad fight, probably deserved the 2nd Mosley fight and hung in there with Bernard Hopkins. If he was awful he wouldn't have beaten or hung in there witht the best in boxing.
Douchebag
QUOTE(Mean Mister Mustard @ Jan 18 2008, 05:09 PM) [snapback]375264[/snapback]
Intelligent posts from some of the long time posters here, others just plain idiotic.

Oscar is good for the sport overall. I the 90's when there was no Tyson, DLH brought us all back to the lower divisions. He was a mgestar and when he used to fight 3 or 4 times a year he was very present in mainstream TV. I suspect that many of the people who say otherwise have only started watching boxing around 3 or 4 years ago.

Personally, I dislike DLH. I almost always root against him, one exception was the PBF fight. Plus he's a fake and he usually takes on fighters after they have been defeated or are oler and slower. He took on Vargas after Trinidad had knocked his ass out, he took on Mayorga after Tito knocked his ass out, took on Whitaker when the man was 35 and noe longer in his prime, took on Quartey after a layoff and bad showing and only took on Mosley after his defeats against Forrest.

But the man drew fans into boxing and created some big events. Trinidad fight was a letdown but don't tell me you weren't hyped about it didn't make your week preceding the event easier. Plus he was not a horrible fighter. He beat smaller men before he was a welter but at least he dispatched them quickly and in impressive fashion. Well the Molina fight was not impressive but other than that one his destruction of Leija and Ruelas were fun.

He beat Whitaker who even though he was old and probably on coke, showed up in shape and ready to fight. He eeked out Quartey, deserved the Trinidad fight, probably deserved the 2nd Mosley fight and hung in there with Bernard Hopkins. If he was awful he wouldn't have beaten or hung in there witht the best in boxing.


I am only speaking for myself and when I say he is bad for boxing I am speaking for right now and am excluding anything that he has done in his career Pre the B-Hop beatdown.
buford54
People hate Oscar because the hype that surrounds him is SOOOO big, and then when the people who buy the hype find out that he really can't fly, or kill someone with an icy stare, they pout.

Oscar is very good for boxing. If there were other fighters with the charisma and excitement that he brings to the game, then boxing would be a much more popular sport today.

Instead everyone whines that they aren't getting paid as much as Oscar does, and then they go out and play a game of tag and expect the money to just roll over them.
I guarantee you that that drives many more people away than Oscar ever has.

I went to a casual fan's house to watch Hopkins/Wright, and all 3 of the other guys there swore they would never pitch in for another fight because of how "boring" it was.

I've never heard anyone complain about Oscar's fights, other than the Hopkins fight because the body shot didn't look that spectactular on screen.

Give the guy a break. He's excellent for boxing, and it will be a tough transition for the sport when he decides to retire.

Mean Mister Mustard
Yes, other people say he's bad but the fact is that he has created some big fights and attracted a lot of attention to boxing. In fact most people agree that overall he is good for boxing.

Like I said before, I don't like DLH and frown upon some of his methods but I my eyes are open enough to see that he's not that bad.
Mean Mister Mustard
By the way my previous post was adressed to The Consience.
dj necrogenic
I love how now everyone says Floyd is just fighting meaningless fights, but before the fight they are all saying

"Gatti will bullrush Floyd wear him down and KO him"

"Judah is as fast if not faster than Floyd but with tons more power.. He will catch him and KO him"

"You cant hurt Baldomir, he just keeps coming eventually he'll catch Floyd and KO him too"
Spyder
QUOTE(dj necrogenic @ Jan 18 2008, 05:25 PM) [snapback]375279[/snapback]
I love how now everyone says Floyd is just fighting meaningless fights, but before the fight they are all saying

"Gatti will bullrush Floyd wear him down and KO him"

"Judah is as fast if not faster than Floyd but with tons more power.. He will catch him and KO him"

"You cant hurt Baldomir, he just keeps coming eventually he'll catch Floyd and KO him too"

I think the reason people call it meaningless is because Floyd already fought and beat Oscar. The only way to make everyone happy is to fight Cotto.
Southeastpaw
MMM, DLH met with Mosley prior to the Forrest defeats the first time.

But I feel the same as you towards DLH. He is definitely not bad for the sport in general by any means.

I think that Hoya is genuine in doing what is best for the sport in GBP. I like what DLH has done for the sport and is still doing for the sport, although I seem to always root against the guy, even in the PBF bout.
dj necrogenic
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jan 18 2008, 02:28 PM) [snapback]375282[/snapback]
I think the reason people call it meaningless is because Floyd already fought and beat Oscar. The only way to make everyone happy is to fight Cotto.

I can understand that, I'd love to see Floyd fight Tito as well. But I dont know how well that will work.. Isnt Cotto with Arum? Arum HATES Floyd

EDIT: Ooops I meant I'd love to see Floyd fight Cotto
Douchebag
QUOTE(buford54 @ Jan 18 2008, 05:21 PM) [snapback]375273[/snapback]
People hate Oscar because the hype that surrounds him is SOOOO big, and then when the people who buy the hype find out that he really can't fly, or kill someone with an icy stare, they pout.

Oscar is very good for boxing. If there were other fighters with the charisma and excitement that he brings to the game, then boxing would be a much more popular sport today.

Instead everyone whines that they aren't getting paid as much as Oscar does, and then they go out and play a game of tag and expect the money to just roll over them.
I guarantee you that that drives many more people away than Oscar ever has.

I went to a casual fan's house to watch Hopkins/Wright, and all 3 of the other guys there swore they would never pitch in for another fight because of how "boring" it was.

I've never heard anyone complain about Oscar's fights, other than the Hopkins fight because the body shot didn't look that spectactular on screen.

Give the guy a break. He's excellent for boxing, and it will be a tough transition for the sport when he decides to retire.



How will it be a hard transition? He fought one time last year in the biggest year in boxing and it was one of the most boring fights last year. Oscar should just stick to promoting and leave the boxing to guys that actually take it seriously. When he retires boxing will be just fine.
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Jan 18 2008, 05:33 PM) [snapback]375284[/snapback]
MMM, DLH met with Mosley prior to the Forrest defeats the first time.

But I feel the same as you towards DLH. He is definitely not bad for the sport in general by any means.

I think that Hoya is genuine in doing what is best for the sport in GBP. I like what DLH has done for the sport and is still doing for the sport although I seem to always root against the guy even in the DLH bout


I meant to say that that he only took the rematch after Forrest showed us that Mosley could be outboxed.

I also rooted against DLH in the DLH bout. What a fight that was.
Spyder
QUOTE(dj necrogenic @ Jan 18 2008, 05:35 PM) [snapback]375286[/snapback]
I can understand that, I'd love to see Floyd fight Tito as well. But I dont know how well that will work.. Isnt Cotto with Arum? Arum HATES Floyd

Maybe that's why he'll put Cotto in against him.

Hoping that the kid can do what Jermain Taylor did for Lou Dibella against Hopkins.
Southeastpaw
QUOTE(Mean Mister Mustard @ Jan 18 2008, 05:41 PM) [snapback]375289[/snapback]
I meant to say that that he only took the rematch after Forrest showed us that Mosley could be outboxed.

I also rooted against DLH in the DLH bout. What a fight that was.

lolol
dj necrogenic
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jan 18 2008, 02:46 PM) [snapback]375292[/snapback]
Maybe that's why he'll put Cotto in against him.

Hoping that the kid can do what Jermain Taylor did for Lou Dibella against Hopkins.

But if he does he gives Floyd another big payday... Another good name for the P4P resume, and he potentially loses his star fighter
kidbazooka1
I don't think DLH can ever be blamed for ducking someone. When you take a fight agianst a fighter like Hopkins who is naturaly bigger guy and you give him a comptitive fight for the first few rds you have my respect.

There are many DLH haters which is pretty much the norm when a fighter is as popular as DLH.
Hatuey
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jan 17 2008, 02:54 PM) [snapback]375111[/snapback]
I know I'm ;not the only one that shares this sentiment.


Agreed. He continually hand picks who he wants to fight, when he wants to fight them, and who the judges will be rolleyes.gif If one person could have TOO much power in boxing, its him. I hope Floyd sends his ass into retirement for good in September...
Big Slim Sweet
Not sure why so many of you keep bringing up what Oscar did in the past. He's had a nice career, no one could dispute that. The original question in the post however seemed to me at least to be addressing NOW. Which I took to essentially be: Is Oscar's decision to offer PBF this rematch, which of course PBF has accepted, bad overall for boxing? And I think the answer to that, from a hardcore fan's perspective, is yes.

Of course the rematch will make money, so of course it isn't BAD FOR BOXING from a business standpoint. But I don't want to see it. And I can't imagine too many people who take the time to post here really want to see it either. The first fight was overall a dull affair, and most fans I know who paid to see it - both hardcore and casual - came away unimpressed. So why would anyone think the second fight would be any different? What questions remain unanswered between these two that compels us to watch them do it again? What is the significance of this match-up? My answers: They wouldn't. There aren't. There isn't any.

It's not Oscar's fault that Mayweather is the kind of human being who would get on his knees and open wide for an extra dollar a fight. More power to his De La Highness. Mayweather is the one shouldering the responsibilty (we wish) of being the best p4p fighter in the world. It's on him to build his legacy in any meaningful sort of way. But Oscar's the one pulling the strings on this situation, as always, and the show from this perspective blows.

So in short, to reiterate what Warlord said the first time, and I believe was the initial stance of the poster who started this thread: Oscar is good for boxing, but at ths point in his career, not so good for hardcore boxing fans.
Mean Mister Mustard
That's true, at this point Oscar's decision to fight Mayweather again is about as good for boxing as making Cory Spinks-Rodney Jones 2 the comeback fight on network TV.

kidbazooka1
QUOTE(Mean Mister Mustard @ Jan 19 2008, 02:34 PM) [snapback]375435[/snapback]
That's true, at this point Oscar's decision to fight Mayweather again is about as good for boxing as making Cory Spinks-Rodney Jones 2 the comeback fight on network TV.


I hear everyone blame DLH for taking the rematch but I bet Mayweather wanyts the fight just as much or even more than DLH. Atleast Oscar isn't in his prime anymore he's done all he's gonna do in boxing but Mayweather is the so called #1 p4p fighter why not bash him for taking this fight and not fighting a prime top WW.
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(kidbazooka1 @ Jan 19 2008, 03:34 PM) [snapback]375444[/snapback]
I hear everyone blame DLH for taking the rematch but I bet Mayweather wanyts the fight just as much or even more than DLH. Atleast Oscar isn't in his prime anymore he's done all he's gonna do in boxing but Mayweather is the so called #1 p4p fighter why not bash him for taking this fight and not fighting a prime top WW.

But no one can turn down a fight with Oscar. They stand to make so much more money fighting him than anyone else out there. Otherwise I'd agree with you. I wish Mayweather cared half as much about his legacy as his fans do.
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