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Hopkins-Calzaghe in Vegas on April 12th?

"I believe the date the 11th or the 12th of April. I know I'm just looking to make it happen. I don't believe anything is signed yet. I got a letter from Arnold Joseph and Richard Schaeffer saying that we have an oral agreement. I could say oral agreements have stood up for the last five years of my career. They expressed to me that we have a deal and I'm expecting an official confirmation on that no later than Monday. I was hoping to hear something yesterday or today, but I'm expecting things to be wrapped up the middle of next week the latest," stated light heavyweight king Bernard Hopkins in a recent interview.

Hopkins revealed that the fight would likely take place in Las Vegas at the Mandalay Bay or the MGM Grand and he hopes that HBO will be willing to do another 24/7 series for the fight. "I think maybe with a 24/7 if everybody is willing to pitch in, that's HBO, Golden Boy and Frank Warren, if they're willing to pitch in because that ain't free, but I think it would do everybody justice, not only in our bank accounts, but I think the fans will get to see the behind the scenes back and forth that goes on with the game. Again, this ain't a salespitch to convince anybody, I'm just saying that this is one of them kind of fights where I think 24/7 is needed to uplift what's already there. Coming off the heels of the big blockbuster that happened on December 8 one month later, I think it would be great."

Hopkins also revealed that he's been training lightly for the past two or three months, but he's planning on beginning serious training for the fight in about two or three weeks. Along with Brother Nasseem and Freddie Roach, Hopkins is considering reuniting with Mackie Shillstone. "I didn't use him for the Winky Wright for one reason or the other, but for this fight I see that his biggest weapon is punches in bunches and trust me, from what I've experienced with the Tarver fight with Mackie Shilstone, he got me to the point where I was throwing so many punches per round that it was unbelievable."

When asked whether or not Calzaghe would be one of the toughest southpaws he's ever faced, Hopkins emphatically stated, "Oh, No. No. No. Absolutely not. The best southpaw I ever fought in terms of being tricky is John David Jackson." In fact, Hopkins went so far as to say that Calzaghe was at the bottom of the list of southpaws he's faced, behind the likes of Robert Allen, Antonio Tarver and Winky Wright.
PR316
Well I guess we'll see. Hopkins is very confident and thats always a great weapon. But he'll have to throw more than just 10 punches a round to keep pace with Joe who will not let him rest at all.
BoxingStill#1
Biggest fight of the 08' year,.....I can't wait,....Lets send another one back across the Ocean!!
BigG
I still cant believe people think this is such a walk in the park for Calzaghge. First of all, what troubles ole Hopkins is speed/athletic ability/strenght...only reason Taylor was as competitive as he was.

Clazgahe doesn't have big power. The guy throws pitty pat slaps...he throws alot of them though thats for sure. Kessler is a bad dude...but defense wise, he is absolute shit compared to the 43 year old. Kessler backs straight up with no head movement and Calzaghe was able to catch him with straights. Hopkins gives Calzgahe a whole new look. He is not the defensively inept Jeff Lacy who looked like total shit against Peter Manfredo and that other guy Segeri whatever. Manfredo could have beaten Lacy had he stuck to his original gameplan. I like Jeff but he was one of the most overrated fighters in boxing just like Pantera Miranda IS/WAS....just a strong guy who fans got excited about.

Calzaghe has never been in here with anyone half as good as Hopkins. Calzgahe might win by outworking Hopkins but I wouldn't be suprised if he looks the more worn down, beat up, roughed up fighter at the end of the night. I dont expect Calzgahe to hit Hopkins clean with those pitty pat slaps he throwing against Lacy, Manfredo, and Kessler.
Method
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I dont expect Calzgahe to hit Hopkins clean with those pitty pat slaps he throwing against Lacy, Manfredo, and Kessler


Nope. And if he does land some of those winging slaps, he's gonna be eating jailhouse right hands coming straight down the pike. Perhaps uppercuts too. Counters. This is a good matchup on paper. I think Hopkins will diffuse this guy.
Blayde
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 5 2008, 05:19 AM) [snapback]373468[/snapback]
Calzaghe has never been in here with anyone half as good as Hopkins. Calzgahe might win by outworking Hopkins but I wouldn't be suprised if he looks the more worn down, beat up, roughed up fighter at the end of the night. I dont expect Calzgahe to hit Hopkins clean with those pitty pat slaps he throwing against Lacy, Manfredo, and Kessler.


Ok, so if Kessler isnt half as good as Hopkins, who da hell in Hopkins record is half as good at Calzaghe? Lets forget about Jones and Taylor because Hopkins lost these fights. A blown up Winky? Blown up welterweights like Oscar and Tito? Tarver?

Come on, man. That argument doesnt make sense. Calzaghes record isnt really great, but Hopkins' is also clearly overrated, although its a bit better than Calzaghe's. Future might tell us something different though depending on how Kessler will look in the future. IMO Kessler at 168 is better than Winky at 170, Oscar and Tito at 160 and also Tarver at 175.
Method
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IMO Kessler at 168 is better than Winky at 170, Oscar and Tito at 160 and also Tarver at 175.


I disagree. IMO, Winky, Oscar AND Tito are all better fighters, skill-wise, than Kessler. The one advantage Kessler probably enjoys over them all, at 168, is punching power. But I would say Winky and Oscar are more complete fighters, hell maybe even Tito., and that P4P Tito is the mure pure puncher. That said, Kessler was done after 6-7 rounds. He had nothing left in the gas tank, something none of the aforementioned three have ever been in their respective primes or in their comfort zones. What's more, his foot movement and balance were for shit. He stood stright up and down, and most times square.

Like you said, time will tell. Styles make fights, and that is the only thing, at this point in Hopkins' career, that keeps Joe in the game. Cause boxingwise, skill set for skill set, Joe Calzage does not do ANYTHING better than Bernard Hopkins. The only reason Joe gets a "W" at this point, and it is definitely possible, is if he just "out actives" Bernard. We've already seen with the Taylor fights, that the judges will award inneffective aggression if you are the fighter perceived to have more money in you for the industry to squeeze out, so it is distinctly possible that we could see Joe awarded a victory for those wack ass wining 5-7 punch hook-to-the body flurries that we saw versus Kessler. Very possible. But on the other side of that fucking coin, this is Bernard Hopkins we're talking about here. When the fuck has ANYBODY landed that kind of shit 5-7 times in a row? Roy Jones wasn't landing any of that shit and Roy was at LEAST...at LEAST as fast, and much more of an ackward guy and better fighter at the time he and Bernard fought.

I can envision Hopkins smothering, tieing up, and roughing up Joe all night long. I could imagine a stinker of a fight to the common guy too.. I can see Hopkins winning a decicion. I could also see Hopkins losing a decision in a fight where he comes out unmarked too. Who knows. We'll see. At a current +180, I laid down some money on Bernard. If that number increases to make Hopkins a bigger underdog, which I doubt - ESPECIALLY as he talks leading up to the fight and people see and hear him - then I will lay some more on him. If that number comes in, I may lay some on Joe.

I favor Hopkins to win this fight. I just think he has the more complete game. That does not mean he wins.
Blayde
I just dont get why Oscar and Tito are seen as such good fighters at MIDDLEWEIGHT. I mean you just cant forget about size and physical attributes. Besides Oscar wasnt in his best shape against Sturm, but he struggled a lot in that fight. And Tito didnt have a chance against Winky. Ok, thats good for Winky, but doesnt change the fact that there was a huge difference between their levels at 160. No one can tell me Winky would be able to beat a Kessler like that!?
Future_Champ
QUOTE(Blayde @ Jan 5 2008, 12:55 PM) [snapback]373492[/snapback]
I just dont get why Oscar and Tito are seen as such good fighters at MIDDLEWEIGHT. I mean you just cant forget about size and physical attributes. Besides Oscar wasnt in his best shape against Sturm, but he struggled a lot in that fight. And Tito didnt have a chance against Winky. Ok, thats good for Winky, but doesnt change the fact that there was a huge difference between their levels at 160. No one can tell me Winky would be able to beat a Kessler like that!?


You cant compare the Trinidad that lost to Winky with the Trinidad that was knocked out by Hopkins six years earlier.Trinidad was in his prime back then. Hopkins haters try to forget how Trinidad just got done destroying William Joppy at middle weight before he fought Hopkins so Trinidad definatly had his power at middlewieght, he just couldnt hit Hopkins.But i dont know why people compare past opponets in boxing, that means nothing cause styles make fights. Calzaghe isnt going to be effective with his high punch output style because he will be worn down by Hopkins couterpunching, DEFENSE, and body punching. I think Hopkins will take the fight over late and we might see a stopage.
BigG
To be honest, I dont think Kessler is any better than Tarver.
streetlion1
QUOTE(Blayde @ Jan 5 2008, 09:30 AM) [snapback]373481[/snapback]
Ok, so if Kessler isnt half as good as Hopkins, who da hell in Hopkins record is half as good at Calzaghe? Lets forget about Jones and Taylor because Hopkins lost these fights. A blown up Winky? Blown up welterweights like Oscar and Tito? Tarver?

Come on, man. That argument doesnt make sense. Calzaghes record isnt really great, but Hopkins' is also clearly overrated, although its a bit better than Calzaghe's. Future might tell us something different though depending on how Kessler will look in the future. IMO Kessler at 168 is better than Winky at 170, Oscar and Tito at 160 and also Tarver at 175.

OH NO, a Hopkins hater! Look Hopkins cant be questioned he fought much tougher opponents throughout his career and is easily one of the greatest of all time! Calzaghe will end up tied-up, roughed-up, and frustrated by fights end. He has far less credibility and hasnt faced anyone near B-Hops caliber....just wait and see!
Blayde
Hater, LOL, no I guess you are wrong about that. I also agreed I see Hopkins having a better resume than Calzaghe, but I cant believe how you can see such a big difference there.

I also agree it should not be that important, but I guess if Calzaghe has never faced anyone half as good as Hopkins, it should. Only 8-4 against a bum like Kessler whereas Hopkins has knocked out welterweight De La Hoya? Calzaghe is probably gonna get KO'd wink.gif

Although Im picking Calzaghe to win decisively, I also think he wont have an easy time against Hopkins and he wont look great. Hopkins will prove how smart he is and what defensive skills he posesses. Additionally he should be able to find openings against the very offensive Calzaghe, so he can land some nice right hands. But I just cant see him getting done enough. Calzaghe is faster on his legs and with his hands, he throws good combinations on the inside and his outside boxing and his jab are very underrated just like his power. And with all the talk about Hopkins' tactics and rough style, dont forget its also a pretty big part of Calzaghes game to hold. That doesnt make it easier for B-Hop, either.
D-MARV
QUOTE(Blayde @ Jan 5 2008, 03:37 PM) [snapback]373513[/snapback]
Hater, LOL, no I guess you are wrong about that. I also agreed I see Hopkins having a better resume than Calzaghe, but I cant believe how you can see such a big difference there.

I also agree it should not be that important, but I guess if Calzaghe has never faced anyone half as good as Hopkins, it should. Only 8-4 against a bum like Kessler whereas Hopkins has knocked out welterweight De La Hoya? Calzaghe is probably gonna get KO'd wink.gif

Although Im picking Calzaghe to win decisively, I also think he wont have an easy time against Hopkins and he wont look great. Hopkins will prove how smart he is and what defensive skills he posesses. Additionally he should be able to find openings against the very offensive Calzaghe, so he can land some nice right hands. But I just cant see him getting done enough. Calzaghe is faster on his legs and with his hands, he throws good combinations on the inside and his outside boxing and his jab are very underrated just like his power. And with all the talk about Hopkins' tactics and rough style, dont forget its also a pretty big part of Calzaghes game to hold. That doesnt make it easier for B-Hop, either.

First Let me say that Calzaghe is a very good fighter. I rank him high on my P4P list simply because he has been the man in the Super Middleweight Division for so long. He is the longest reigning champ, and you gotta respect that! But How can anyone question BHOPs Resume. Not only has he beaten Hall of Fame fighters but he has dominated and knock them out!! Who in this world would ever compare BHOp and Calzaghe's resume! You seem to forget Calzaghe had trouble with Sakio Bika (From the show, The Contender), he struggled against Robin Reid (a C Class fighter).Calzaghe's crowning achievement were victories over Jeff Lacy (who was one of the most overhyped and overrated fighters in the last 10 years), and Kessler (who really hasn't proven himself that much either) Now on the other hand you have BHOP who has KO victories over Hall of Fame fighters such as: De La Hoya, and Trinidad. He has a KO victory over a young undefeated warrior Glen Johnson, who would go on to be the Light Heavyweight champion, and a fighter who I think Calzaghe ducked a couple of times. Not to mention victories over Winky Wright and Antonio Tarver, who are fighters I think would beat anyone on Calzaghe's record. Also the Taylor fights were very controversial. I actually had Hopkins winning both fights! So let's not compare their resumes!
But my prediction is this:
I originally had Calzaghe winning a very close decision, but after hours of studying both fighters, their styles, and there past fights, I have to say we have Mayweather-Hatton all over again!
I doubted BHOP one time when he fought Tarver, I will never do that again.
BHOP late Stoppage!
Southeastpaw
As much as I cannot stand Calzaghe, he is a physical beast. His conditioning is top notch. This was where Hopkins would get quite a few fighters. They would fade and he would be fresh. Cal is fast with quick reflexes and an incredible workrate. Hopkins is going to have to make this fight as dirty as possible IMO to stand a chance. I expect to see Calzaghe outwork Hopkins to a decision. But you never know with Hopkins. I was never ever high on Tarver. Calzaghe offers up much more than him, much more. But, I would like to see Hopkins pull this off, just can't see it though.
Mixnutz
The key to Hopkins success in his later years has been his ability to intemidate fighters before the bell has sounded. In Calzaghe, you got a fighter who seems to fear no one (evident in the staredown of Jeff Lacy). I just don't think Hopkins has it in him to go 12 hard rounds with a man who is not afraid to let his hands go.
Maxy
Blayde makes good points in his posts. Hopkins is a great fighter but his resume ain't something terrific. Yeah he's got some great names on there but the best fighters he fought were stronger and better at lower weight classes. This won't be no Mayweather-Hatton as one poster suggested. That's just plain daft. Who knows what would have happened 5 years ago, when they should have fought but right now I have to go with Calzaghe on points. Oh and I don't like saying that btw cos I'd rather see Hopkins win.
PR316
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 5 2008, 04:19 AM) [snapback]373468[/snapback]
I still cant believe people think this is such a walk in the park for Calzaghge. First of all, what troubles ole Hopkins is speed/athletic ability/strenght...only reason Taylor was as competitive as he was.

Clazgahe doesn't have big power. The guy throws pitty pat slaps...he throws alot of them though thats for sure. Kessler is a bad dude...but defense wise, he is absolute shit compared to the 43 year old. Kessler backs straight up with no head movement and Calzaghe was able to catch him with straights. Hopkins gives Calzgahe a whole new look. He is not the defensively inept Jeff Lacy who looked like total shit against Peter Manfredo and that other guy Segeri whatever. Manfredo could have beaten Lacy had he stuck to his original gameplan. I like Jeff but he was one of the most overrated fighters in boxing just like Pantera Miranda IS/WAS....just a strong guy who fans got excited about.

Calzaghe has never been in here with anyone half as good as Hopkins. Calzgahe might win by outworking Hopkins but I wouldn't be suprised if he looks the more worn down, beat up, roughed up fighter at the end of the night. I dont expect Calzgahe to hit Hopkins clean with those pitty pat slaps he throwing against Lacy, Manfredo, and Kessler.



George my friend, I think you overlook just how slow Hopkins has looked these past few years.


Lets point out the Jermain Taylor fight. Another fight that pitted Hopkins vs a younger guy who was faster, but also as many are pointing out about Calzaghe, INCREDIBLY FLAWED... Like Calzaghe, Taylor too squares up, throws winging sloppy punches, leaves countless counterpunching opportunites(Wright and Pavlik exploited this), and like Calzaghe makes rookie mistakes. All those things going for B-Hop in those fights, and he didn't get the job done. Sure, I argue he won the 1st fight and lost the 2nd, but he lost those fights because he doesn't have the energy and sharpness anymore that he had years ago to keep up with the younger guys.

The Winky Wright fight. Lets stop here. B-Hop looked TERRIBLE in that fight. Yes he came out with a deserved W, but his legs are GONE... His hand speed is GONE... He relies on his experience and know how nowadays and that alone against Calzaghe is not going to get it done. It didn't get it done against Taylor and if you can't beat Jermain Taylor, its very difficult even at 175 to beat Joe Calzaghe who is a more skilled fighter than Taylor.

Many point to the Tarver fight, but I don't like that comparison at all. Calzaghe is faster and more versatile than Tarver. Tarver is only good at sitting back and waiting for perfect shots, and its the main reason he lost the 1st fight to Roy Jones. Predictably, Tarver engaged Hopkins in a posing contest and came out on the losing end. Calzaghe is not going to do that. He is going to circle, beat Hopkins to the punch constantly from the outside with the jab, and outmanuever him. Hopkins will be the one forced out of his envelope here. B-Hop will be the one faced with the choice to put himself out there more.

Very true that Joe doesn't have the power to really make Hopkins lose any sleep. But the sheer high speed PACE that Joe fights at is going to force Hopkins to throw back more than he's comfortable doing and it will tire his legs even faster. 6 years ago, I think B-Hop decisions Joe clearly. But this is different. Hopkins is no longer the Executioner. And it won't take long for B-Hop to feel the difference when faced with a guy who is the same size as him, a natural at the 168 pound weight class, with the hand speed, footwork, and awkward style to make things a nightmare for B-Hop.

Once again, I will say that I expect Hopkins to walk away without taking much punishment. But he will not do enough to win. Just like he didn't against Taylor. Hopkins prides himself alot on walking away from a fight unmarked, but he's not going to be able to dish out enough punishment over the course of 12 rounds against a younger, faster, and skilled enough fighter. Joe will out speed this guy and earn a comfortable decision. Hopkins will defy the decision and point out his freshness but you can't win if you don't land enough punches.

Calzaghe via UD.
BigG
I don't think Hopkins looked terrible in the Winky fight. First of all, I dont expect anyone to look dominant or good against Winky. I personally think Winky would make Calzgahe look like shit if they ever fought. Winky is kind of a difficult guy to fight..with his pressure and tight defense. Hopkins beat him up and won pretty clearly. He had Winky missing badly and Winky was very tired at the end of the fight.
BigG
Fitz, i dont think Tarver is great at all but I'm not gonna lie, I dont think Kessler is much better. The truth is, Tarver HAS been in with much tougher opposition than Kessler's been in with. I believe the best fighter Kessler ever beat is Anthony Mundine. Tarver beat Roy Jones Jr, Montell Griffin, Glen Johnson, and Eric Harding who are all world class opposition. Base don what I've seen from both me, I definitely can't say that Kessler is better than Tarver without a doubt...skill wise and resume wise. I know Tarver is hated, but lets be real about that. Kessler is fresh, young, and strong...but the guy's defense is shady.

For the rcord, I think Tarver-Kessler is 50-50...or slight edge to Kessler because of youth.

And Dawson would smah tarver.
PR316
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 6 2008, 12:53 AM) [snapback]373567[/snapback]
I don't think Hopkins looked terrible in the Winky fight. First of all, I dont expect anyone to look dominant or good against Winky. I personally think Winky would make Calzgahe look like shit if they ever fought. Winky is kind of a difficult guy to fight..with his pressure and tight defense. Hopkins beat him up and won pretty clearly. He had Winky missing badly and Winky was very tired at the end of the fight.


Good points. But lets keep in mind that Winky is not a natural 168 pounder and he was noticeably slower too at the higher weight and thats what I think contributed to his slowness and tiredness moreso than the blows Hopkins was landing. I'm not saying B-Hop didn't punish him in the end(He did), but through most of the fight, he looked very slow with his hands and lethargic with his legs.


I think Calzaghe's jab will reach target early and often, and those slappy combos he shoots will throw B-Hop off his game. I think Hopkins will take too long to get into his rhythm, all the while Calzaghe winning rounds on activity and speed. B-Hop I think will have some moments where his counter rights find a home. But I have serious doubts about him landing enough of them to win this fight.
Method
Calzghe's jab landing early and often? OK. That makes a ton of sense...given that NOBODY'S jab has ever landed early OR often vs. Hopkins.

Only way Calzaghe wins the fight is by being busy...he ain't really gonna land all that much at ALL, but if the judges score ineffective aggression, and if Hopkins makes it easy for them to do that by not throwing that much in the first half, it will be another Jermain Taylor situation.

At 175 and with Shilstone back in the saddle, and with the stakes being MUCH BIGGER than anything since the middleweight unification tourney, I expect Bernard to be offensive enough to take that liklihood out of the equation. Joe's gonna get beat up.

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I don't think Hopkins looked terrible in the Winky fight. First of all, I dont expect anyone to look dominant or good against Winky. I personally think Winky would make Calzgahe look like shit if they ever fought. Winky is kind of a difficult guy to fight..with his pressure and tight defense. Hopkins beat him up and won pretty clearly. He had Winky missing badly and Winky was very tired at the end of the fight.


Word.

Nobody has ever beaten up Wright like Hopkins did. And nobody has ever looked as "good" (I use that term losely, cuz it IS hard to look good against Wink) doing it. Hopkins made Winky miss badly all night. Had him huffing and puffing down the stretch, looking paltry. Very tough, at least in this boxing addicts opinion, to guage how much Bernard has slipped in ability based on the Wright fight by very nature of who he was fighting. When you consider all of Wright's other fights, and the fact that Bernard whupped Wright pretty damn decicsively, than I don't know what the fucking problem is. And Wright ain't a natural 170 pounder....he's a natural 200 lb'er. So fuck off with that shit. Wink is FINE at 16t8-170. If he wants to constantly feed a Krispy Kreme jones, that's his fucking problem.

Gonna be another southpaw mugging.
PR316
I recall Taylor landing his jab in the 2nd fight a pretty good amount of times.


That being said, being offensive is not Hopkins best bet here. If he ups his punch rate, he'll be very tired towards the end with a fresh Calzaghe all over him.


Gotta go for now, but I'll speak more on this later.
Method
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That being said, being offensive is not Hopkins best bet here. If he ups his punch rate, he'll be very tired towards the end with a fresh Calzaghe all over him


First it was Calzaghe landing a jab early and often, and now it's "Hopkins will be tired down the stretch with a fresh Calzaghe all over him".

When have you ever seen ANYONE landing ANYTHING, let alone jabs, early and often against Hopkins, and, when have you ever seen Hopkins tired in a fight?

Thx.

No more on this needed (with comments like the aforementioned), so don't rush back to a computer.
Elijah
I think Hopkins is gonna be more motivated for this fight than he has been in quite a while. That means trouble for JC. Those lead straight right hands that Hopkins throws oh so well are gonna do some damage to JC. I think that particular punch is gonna give JC major problems. It's gonna be a case that has already been stated on here, Hopkins won't punch a lot but most of what he throws will land with some pop on it while JC will be more active but I don't think his shots will land as clean as Hopkins.

Hopkins by UD.
PR316
QUOTE(Method @ Jan 7 2008, 02:33 PM) [snapback]373822[/snapback]
First it was Calzaghe landing a jab early and often, and now it's "Hopkins will be tired down the stretch with a fresh Calzaghe all over him".

When have you ever seen ANYONE landing ANYTHING, let alone jabs, early and often against Hopkins, and, when have you ever seen Hopkins tired in a fight?

Thx.

No more on this needed (with comments like the aforementioned), so don't rush back to a computer.


Damn. No need to get personal here.


If its like YOU say it is, and Hopkins does indeed get aggressive against Calzaghe, that won't bode well for him because he opens himself up for counters. The slower this fight is, the better for Hopkins. If he opens up and makes it a fast pace, his age will show and he'll get outlanded.


Hopkins doesn't tire in fights because for the first 5 or 6 rounds, he mostly defends and lands an occasional counter shot here and there. And against fighters that sit back and pose like Antonio Tarver that won't be an issue. But against a quick guy who is awkward in his own right and not the easiest target either, then Hopkins will run into problems.

Zags will decision him. Too fast for Hopkins at this point and Bernard doesn't have the power to hurt him,
Elijah
I'm not so sure about Hopkins not having the power to hurt JC. Maybe not with one punch but Hopkins has made plenty of his opponents look like Rocky Dennis when he was done with them. Besides, isn't the last thing a boxer loses is his power? Hopkins can crack when he wants to.
PR316
QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 7 2008, 05:39 PM) [snapback]373847[/snapback]
I'm not so sure about Hopkins not having the power to hurt JC. Maybe not with one punch but Hopkins has made plenty of his opponents look like Rocky Dennis when he was done with them. Besides, isn't the last thing a boxer loses is his power? Hopkins can crack when he wants to.


Mikkel Kessler is a legitimate puncher at 168 and his power sure as hell didn't discourage Calzaghe. I doubt Hopkins will be able to as well.
Elijah
I don't think you can compare Kessler to Hopkins in any way whatsoever.
buford54
QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 7 2008, 12:31 PM) [snapback]373844[/snapback]
Damn. No need to get personal here.
If its like YOU say it is, and Hopkins does indeed get aggressive against Calzaghe, that won't bode well for him because he opens himself up for counters. The slower this fight is, the better for Hopkins. If he opens up and makes it a fast pace, his age will show and he'll get outlanded.
Hopkins doesn't tire in fights because for the first 5 or 6 rounds, he mostly defends and lands an occasional counter shot here and there. And against fighters that sit back and pose like Antonio Tarver that won't be an issue. But against a quick guy who is awkward in his own right and not the easiest target either, then Hopkins will run into problems.

Zags will decision him. Too fast for Hopkins at this point and Bernard doesn't have the power to hurt him,


It's certainly possible that Joe will win the fight...but Hopkins was more offensive during the Wright fight than he ever has been, and he wasn't tired at the end at all.
I assumed in the past that Hops was able to look so fresh because he took off the early rounds as well...but the Wright fight showed me differently.

I think Method has it spot on. If Joe wins, it will be another Jermain Taylor situation, where Hops doesn't do anything for the first few rounds and gives the fight away. Otherwise, I think Hops frustrates the hell out of Joe and methodically breaks him down.
Method
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I don't think you can compare Kessler to Hopkins in any way whatsoever.


You're right. You can't.
PrfPmp
I was bored yesterday so decided to watch Winky-Hopkins and Calzaghe-Kessler simultanously (tivo), and unless Hopkins has slipped substantially sice last year, I think Joe C's in for a long night. Kessler was able to make Joe miss alot for someone with NO head movement, and i think he showed that a savy counterpuncher could beat Calzahge.
Also, Kessler ability in the clinch was 2nd rate. Hopkins has everything over Calzahge except handspeed (and the gaps not huge), and in workrate, the one area he clearly outperforms Hopkins. But like with many high workrate fighters, that workrate always slows down when they're being punished by clean counters.
Hops by possible late stoppage
salvador
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 5 2008, 12:19 AM) [snapback]373468[/snapback]
Calzaghe has never been in here with anyone half as good as Hopkins. Calzgahe might win by outworking Hopkins but I wouldn't be suprised if he looks the more worn down, beat up, roughed up fighter at the end of the night.


yep

And, more importantly, Calzaghe's never been in with anyone with such short, accurate, heavy counter right hands. Hopkins has clearly slowed down over the past few years and I expect Joe to get a decision, but even at 43, Hopkins is easily the toughest guy Joe's faced.

It'll be really interesting to see if Joe is able to get away with the pitty-pat 5 punch combinations or if he changes his strategy in the 2nd or 3rd round to try to land bigger shots rather than multi-punch combinations as a result of Hopkins' counters. If that happens (and I really think it will to some degree), then the fight could be really interesting.
PR316
QUOTE(Elijah @ Jan 7 2008, 05:59 PM) [snapback]373851[/snapback]
I don't think you can compare Kessler to Hopkins in any way whatsoever.


In terms of SKILL.... Your right. But Kessler is a harder puncher than Bernard.
rusty_trombone
I still like Zags to win a decision here, I expect this fight to go alot like the Taylor fights, the exception being Zags is way better. Maybe when Hopkins was in his prime it would have been a different story, but I think I still would've picked Zags in that matchup also.
imperial
I also like Calzaghe based on workrate ..But if Hopkins is allowed to punch and hold expect another boring ud by the executioner ..
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 7 2008, 08:44 PM) [snapback]373914[/snapback]
In terms of SKILL.... Your right. But Kessler is a harder puncher than Bernard.


I don't think he is by much... Slightly perhaps, but when you factor in Hopkins' placement/accuracy I don't think the difference is worth talking about.

Imperius3
It's not guaranteed Calzaghe will land more than Hopkins. Especially in the power punch department.

Keep in mind, Hopkins' work rate has increased since moving up to light heavy. We haven't seen Calzaghe fight at light heavy, and he might not have the same high work rate that he has at 168. You can bet his work rate will already be decreased by Hopkins' defense and ring savvy.

Taylor had a good work rate against Hopkins, but he also has good power. I think it was also the power factor that influenced the judges in those fights. Calzaghe doesn't have that kind of power, and Hopkins will be the harder puncher on fight night. I think Hopkins will land enough hard, authoritative punches and counters to earn himself a decision.
Method
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In terms of SKILL.... Your right. But Kessler is a harder puncher than Bernard.


Just curious, and not saying you're wrong, but what are you quantifying this assertion with?

Regardless, power don't mean shit if you can't land. Ask your boy Tito about that.
PR316
^^^^ Kessler is a legitimate puncher at 168 having knocked out natural 168 pounders. Bernard at 160 has gone the distance with Jermain Taylor(Twice), Howard Eastman, William Joppy, and others. And he hit those guys PLENTY... Destroyed Joppy's face and humiliated Eastman. In the first fight with Taylor, towards the end he had Jermain stunned and couldn't put the finishing touches. I think if those guys can withstand the power and not get knocked out, then I can't help but feel that Calzaghe won't be the least bit discouraged by Bernard's punches.
Southeastpaw
Not so sure this Hopkins would even beat Kessler let alone Joe. Kessler is much more sound than a Taylor and has much better fundamentals than a Tarver.
Fitz
I kind of get the feeling that people are showing little respect for Kessler. He put up a pretty good performance against Calazghe, won at least 4 rounds and hurt him on more than one occasion. The fight was very close and competitive up until the championship rounds, Calazaghe's fitness and work rate prevailed and Kessler just couldn't keep up to the pace. Sure he has some holes in his defense, but so do most of the 'fans' favourite type of fighters. I kind of get the vibe that people are brushing Kessler off as a semi scrub. Couldn't be further from the truth.
Fitz
QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Jan 9 2008, 03:28 PM) [snapback]374048[/snapback]
Not so sure this Hopkins would even beat Kessler let alone Joe. Kessler is much more sound than a Taylor and has much better fundamentals than a Tarver.


Definitely better than Taylor, Pavlik and Tarver.
BigG
Kessler beat Hopkins? LOL.

Kessler might be more sound than Taylor..but he certainly is not as quick. Taylor has quicker feet and quicker hands. I think what really gave Hopkins trouble against Taylor was Taylor's jab and athletic ability.

In fact..After watching Kessler fight Calzgah and getting hurt to he body..I think Hopkins would fuck him up...
Method
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Kessler is much more sound than a Taylor and has much better fundamentals than a Tarver.


Sound in which way? And no way Kessler has "much better" fundamentally than Tarver. No fucking way. Kessler was getting lit up with winging 5-7 punch combos, some of the most hideous I've seen. Definitely not as effective a counterpuncher as Tarver. Im not the biggest Tarver fan, but Kessler's lack of fundamental's - including sound footwork, are what cost him. IMO, of course.
Fitz
I think it was Calazghe's work rate that cost him. He was doing just fine early in the fight and was right in it, as the fight wore on he declined. He just couldn't keep up.
Kessler is much better than Tarver IMO. I was watching his last fight as well and I couldn't believe just how much he sucks. Looks like a fucking lollipop, and all he does is paw with his jab. He fights like a faggot. Tarver lost to Glen Johnson FFS.
BigG
Well, I don't think Glen is great. He is a tough veteran..but I do think if Kessler fought him...that would be his toughest test aside from Calzaghe without a doubt.

Dawson will eventually destroy them all (except for Hopkins)

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PR316
I honestly think that if Milkdud ever found the balls to fight Dawson, he'd get stopped.


Tarver has to be one of the luckiest men on earth. He won the lottery and caught Roy Jones at the right time in his career and then was exposed by Hopkins as being an average fighter at BEST... Only Iran Barkley was luckier in his first fight with Tommy Hearns.


Southeastpaw
QUOTE(PR316 @ Jan 9 2008, 10:42 AM) [snapback]374072[/snapback]
I honestly think that if Milkdud ever found the balls to fight Dawson, he'd get stopped.
Tarver has to be one of the luckiest men on earth. He won the lottery and caught Roy Jones at the right time in his career and then was exposed by Hopkins as being an average fighter at BEST... Only Iran Barkley was luckier in his first fight with Tommy Hearns.

You are right about that. Tarver is garbage. He definitely caught Roy at the right time. So other than a wasted Jones, Tarver has a crap resume of wins. Harding beat him the first go round and was handing it to him the second time till he got caught. Kessler does have very good fundamentals. Joe started catchin him as he wore down. Joe has incredible stamina and started pulin away with the fight as the fight wore on. And I would give Taylor little chance to win if he ever got into the ring with Kessler.
Fitz
QUOTE(Southeastpaw @ Jan 10 2008, 02:55 AM) [snapback]374073[/snapback]
You are right about that. Tarver is garbage. He definitely caught Roy at the right time. So other than a wasted Jones, Tarver has a crap resume of wins. Harding beat him the first go round and was handing it to him the second time till he got caught. Kessler does have very good fundamentals. Joe started catchin him as he wore down. Joe has incredible stamina and started pulin away with the fight as the fight wore on. And I would give Taylor little chance to win if he ever got into the ring with Kessler.


Agreed.
Blayde
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jan 9 2008, 12:38 PM) [snapback]374062[/snapback]
Well, I don't think Glen is great. He is a tough veteran..but I do think if Kessler fought him...that would be his toughest test aside from Calzaghe without a doubt.

Dawson will eventually destroy them all (except for Hopkins)

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I dont think Johnson is better than Mundine, but Im not sure about that. Im pretty sure though that Mundine stylewise is a more difficult opponent for Kessler than Johnson. Kessler likes to be the boxer, fight from the outside and control it that way. But against Mundine he had to adapt and fight a different fight, coming forward like a slugger at times.

And I agree on both things with him and Taylor. Taylor is faster with his hands, Kessler is more skilled. And in contrast to a lot of people Im not sure if Hopkins is really better than Kessler right now. But one on one with B-Hop I think speed like Taylor has is more important than skills and allround game like Kessler has.
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