QUOTE(Nay_Sayer @ Feb 13 2008, 04:51 PM) [snapback]378469[/snapback]
No, we were watching the same fight. You're just blind... 
That was witty....
Full Version: Jermain "Bad Decisions" Taylor
That was witty....
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Feb 12 2008, 11:20 AM) [snapback]378261[/snapback]
I cannot believe all of the "JT has no chance to win" and "It's going to be very difficult" stuff I'm seeing and hearing...even from guys like Jim Lampley on the Countdown program.
Based on what?
Yes...Pavlik got a beautiful stoppage.....BUT...he himself was almost stopped. IMHO...Taylor may have very well simply came up short on this particular fight. It's not as if Pavlik's skill level is so supeior to JT that is destined to happen again.
NOW....99% of the time...I am dead set AGAINST instant rematches, but I did not feel this way on this one. The last time, they showed footage of JT's "training camp"...it was a total crock of shit....him and his buddies playing Playstation and fishing...WTF??? From that it looked like he took Kelly lightly and it bit him in the ass.
It's a lesson every young, undefeated fighter has to learn at some point. AND...juding from his remarks in the Countdown program...it looks like it has really hummbled him and made him really take training serious.
This is a man who beat Benard Hopkins twice.....this is a VERY talended and able fighter.
I can see him learning from the first fight....making the needed adjustments and getting the win in the rematch. I don't see it as far fetched at all.
Based on what?
Yes...Pavlik got a beautiful stoppage.....BUT...he himself was almost stopped. IMHO...Taylor may have very well simply came up short on this particular fight. It's not as if Pavlik's skill level is so supeior to JT that is destined to happen again.
NOW....99% of the time...I am dead set AGAINST instant rematches, but I did not feel this way on this one. The last time, they showed footage of JT's "training camp"...it was a total crock of shit....him and his buddies playing Playstation and fishing...WTF??? From that it looked like he took Kelly lightly and it bit him in the ass.
It's a lesson every young, undefeated fighter has to learn at some point. AND...juding from his remarks in the Countdown program...it looks like it has really hummbled him and made him really take training serious.
This is a man who beat Benard Hopkins twice.....this is a VERY talended and able fighter.
I can see him learning from the first fight....making the needed adjustments and getting the win in the rematch. I don't see it as far fetched at all.
"Based on what?"... the truth. The only reason why Pavlik was knocked down...if you watch it a couple times was that JT threw an elbow and Kelly did something stupid which is drop his guard and look to complain. The bottem line is JT cant stop straight right hands or the jab..not against B-Hop...not against Winky...even Spinks was landing them at will when he threw them...same with Pavlik. Also it went down on record that he beat Bernard..but IMO those were 2 robbery's. He is a good athlete but his last fight is gonna end with him getting K.Oed once again!
Guys Taylor getting "gassed" due to what he did in the second round is bullshit.
Taylor threw a round HIGH of 75 punches in the 2nd round... that's his HIGH. Every round was less than that. Klitschko throws that many punches a round for multiple rounds back to back and he's a big heavyweight. Jirov would throw 100 punches a round fighting at 190. Another middleweight Sam Soliman threw 105 punches per round against Wright for 12 rounds.
There's no reason that a 160 pound fighter should gas by throwing 75 punches in a round, ESPECIALLY only 5 minutes into the fight. I don't know what the middleweight average of punches per round is exactly, but I'd guess in the ballpark of 60. Taylor threw 369 punches total in the fight, which is slightly LESS than 60 per round on average.
Also if you watch the 2nd round, the fight resumes at 1:24 following the knockdown. Taylor only pours it on from about 1:15 until about :50 left in the round... from about :40 until the end of the round Taylor is already gassed, initiating at least 3 clinches with Pavlik during those final :40. Pretty pathetic if this limited amount of activity gasses him, and somehow he can "pace himself better" in the rematch. What a joke.
Taylor threw a round HIGH of 75 punches in the 2nd round... that's his HIGH. Every round was less than that. Klitschko throws that many punches a round for multiple rounds back to back and he's a big heavyweight. Jirov would throw 100 punches a round fighting at 190. Another middleweight Sam Soliman threw 105 punches per round against Wright for 12 rounds.
There's no reason that a 160 pound fighter should gas by throwing 75 punches in a round, ESPECIALLY only 5 minutes into the fight. I don't know what the middleweight average of punches per round is exactly, but I'd guess in the ballpark of 60. Taylor threw 369 punches total in the fight, which is slightly LESS than 60 per round on average.
Also if you watch the 2nd round, the fight resumes at 1:24 following the knockdown. Taylor only pours it on from about 1:15 until about :50 left in the round... from about :40 until the end of the round Taylor is already gassed, initiating at least 3 clinches with Pavlik during those final :40. Pretty pathetic if this limited amount of activity gasses him, and somehow he can "pace himself better" in the rematch. What a joke.
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Feb 13 2008, 06:55 PM) [snapback]378489[/snapback]
Guys Taylor getting "gassed" due to what he did in the second round is bullshit.
Taylor threw a round HIGH of 75 punches in the 2nd round... that's his HIGH. Every round was less than that. Klitschko throws that many punches a round for multiple rounds back to back and he's a big heavyweight. Jirov would throw 100 punches a round fighting at 190. Another middleweight Sam Soliman threw 105 punches per round against Wright for 12 rounds.
There's no reason that a 160 pound fighter should gas by throwing 75 punches in a round, ESPECIALLY only 5 minutes into the fight. I don't know what the middleweight average of punches per round is exactly, but I'd guess in the ballpark of 60. Taylor threw 369 punches total in the fight, which is slightly LESS than 60 per round on average.
Also if you watch the 2nd round, the fight resumes at 1:24 following the knockdown. Taylor only pours it on from about 1:15 until about :50 left in the round... from about :40 until the end of the round Taylor is already gassed, initiating at least 3 clinches with Pavlik during those final :40. Pretty pathetic if this limited amount of activity gasses him, and somehow he can "pace himself better" in the rematch. What a joke.
Taylor threw a round HIGH of 75 punches in the 2nd round... that's his HIGH. Every round was less than that. Klitschko throws that many punches a round for multiple rounds back to back and he's a big heavyweight. Jirov would throw 100 punches a round fighting at 190. Another middleweight Sam Soliman threw 105 punches per round against Wright for 12 rounds.
There's no reason that a 160 pound fighter should gas by throwing 75 punches in a round, ESPECIALLY only 5 minutes into the fight. I don't know what the middleweight average of punches per round is exactly, but I'd guess in the ballpark of 60. Taylor threw 369 punches total in the fight, which is slightly LESS than 60 per round on average.
Also if you watch the 2nd round, the fight resumes at 1:24 following the knockdown. Taylor only pours it on from about 1:15 until about :50 left in the round... from about :40 until the end of the round Taylor is already gassed, initiating at least 3 clinches with Pavlik during those final :40. Pretty pathetic if this limited amount of activity gasses him, and somehow he can "pace himself better" in the rematch. What a joke.
you are right & i totally agree Brutal..i am pretty convinced that the JT fans for the most part can only see one side though. i can't wait til saturday & see what these guys have to say then. not that i think kelly is the 2nd coming of SRR just that he may as well be cause JT is getting KTFO again!
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Feb 13 2008, 06:55 PM) [snapback]378489[/snapback]
Guys Taylor getting "gassed" due to what he did in the second round is bullshit.
Taylor threw a round HIGH of 75 punches in the 2nd round... that's his HIGH. Every round was less than that. Klitschko throws that many punches a round for multiple rounds back to back and he's a big heavyweight. Jirov would throw 100 punches a round fighting at 190. Another middleweight Sam Soliman threw 105 punches per round against Wright for 12 rounds.
There's no reason that a 160 pound fighter should gas by throwing 75 punches in a round, ESPECIALLY only 5 minutes into the fight. I don't know what the middleweight average of punches per round is exactly, but I'd guess in the ballpark of 60. Taylor threw 369 punches total in the fight, which is slightly LESS than 60 per round on average.
Also if you watch the 2nd round, the fight resumes at 1:24 following the knockdown. Taylor only pours it on from about 1:15 until about :50 left in the round... from about :40 until the end of the round Taylor is already gassed, initiating at least 3 clinches with Pavlik during those final :40. Pretty pathetic if this limited amount of activity gasses him, and somehow he can "pace himself better" in the rematch. What a joke.
Taylor threw a round HIGH of 75 punches in the 2nd round... that's his HIGH. Every round was less than that. Klitschko throws that many punches a round for multiple rounds back to back and he's a big heavyweight. Jirov would throw 100 punches a round fighting at 190. Another middleweight Sam Soliman threw 105 punches per round against Wright for 12 rounds.
There's no reason that a 160 pound fighter should gas by throwing 75 punches in a round, ESPECIALLY only 5 minutes into the fight. I don't know what the middleweight average of punches per round is exactly, but I'd guess in the ballpark of 60. Taylor threw 369 punches total in the fight, which is slightly LESS than 60 per round on average.
Also if you watch the 2nd round, the fight resumes at 1:24 following the knockdown. Taylor only pours it on from about 1:15 until about :50 left in the round... from about :40 until the end of the round Taylor is already gassed, initiating at least 3 clinches with Pavlik during those final :40. Pretty pathetic if this limited amount of activity gasses him, and somehow he can "pace himself better" in the rematch. What a joke.
I know that when you throw 100 punches a round and 60 of them are jabs, then you wont tire as easily as someone who throws 75 punches a round and 50 are meant to take you head off!
JT threw Home Run hitters and Missed!!!!!! Those shots take alot out of you! He used no technique whatsoever, Those shots were "imma take your head off" shots. You cannot compare those punches to Sam Soliman who puts no power into his punches or Klitschko who has great technique and most of those punches are jabs!
He should be a little more careful about his punch selection.
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Feb 13 2008, 08:27 PM) [snapback]378501[/snapback]
I know that when you throw 100 punches a round and 60 of them are jabs, then you wont tire as easily as someone who throws 75 punches a round and 50 are meant to take you head off!
JT threw Home Run hitters and Missed!!!!!! Those shots take alot out of you! He used no technique whatsoever, Those shots were "imma take your head off" shots. You cannot compare those punches to Sam Soliman who puts no power into his punches or Klitschko who has great technique and most of those punches are jabs!
He should be a little more careful about his punch selection.
JT threw Home Run hitters and Missed!!!!!! Those shots take alot out of you! He used no technique whatsoever, Those shots were "imma take your head off" shots. You cannot compare those punches to Sam Soliman who puts no power into his punches or Klitschko who has great technique and most of those punches are jabs!
He should be a little more careful about his punch selection.
Maybe you can't compare a single Taylor power punch to a single Soliman power punch, but Soliman threw 1260 punches in 36 minutes to what, 110 by Taylor in 5 minutes at the time he was gassed? You don't see a problem with that?
What do you suggest Taylor do to "pace himself" better in the rematch? Go out there and throw 40 punches per round, making sure that at least half of them are jabs that aren't "imma take your head off" tiring shots? Do you really think that's enough to stop Pavlik from walking him down and landing repeated right hands?
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Feb 13 2008, 09:37 PM) [snapback]378504[/snapback]
Maybe you can't compare a single Taylor power punch to a single Soliman power punch, but Soliman threw 1260 punches in 36 minutes to what, 110 by Taylor in 5 minutes at the time he was gassed? You don't see a problem with that?
What do you suggest Taylor do to "pace himself" better in the rematch? Go out there and throw 40 punches per round, making sure that at least half of them are jabs that aren't "imma take your head off" tiring shots? Do you really think that's enough to stop Pavlik from walking him down and landing repeated right hands?
What do you suggest Taylor do to "pace himself" better in the rematch? Go out there and throw 40 punches per round, making sure that at least half of them are jabs that aren't "imma take your head off" tiring shots? Do you really think that's enough to stop Pavlik from walking him down and landing repeated right hands?
Well for starters I wont tell JT not to throw punches! I would tell him to throw High precentage punches.
If I was in his corner I would say something like this:
JT has the Quicker Hands, Get off first! work behind the Jab!. Circle to the right! Move laterally, not straight back! Slip his Jab, Counter Downstairs! "WORK THE BODY EARLY", Smother his punches. Get on the inside and don't give him his range. Taylor can be very effective without throwing 100 or even 75 punches per round. He just has to make them count.
how many ppv buys do you guys think this fight will get?? I just dont see this as a ppv fight, but maybe im wrong. I think it would be much more beneficial to pavlik to have this fight on regular HBO since he is not that well known just yet. he still needs to get his name out there.
QUOTE(Tha Docta @ Feb 14 2008, 09:15 AM) [snapback]378541[/snapback]
how many ppv buys do you guys think this fight will get?? I just dont see this as a ppv fight, but maybe im wrong. I think it would be much more beneficial to pavlik to have this fight on regular HBO since he is not that well known just yet. he still needs to get his name out there.
while i see your point, i think it will do 300-330K! JT has a lot of fans for some reason & just in my eyes, what's not too like about a guy who always goes for the KO & takes it out of the judges hands?
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Feb 13 2008, 09:17 PM) [snapback]378514[/snapback]
Well for starters I wont tell JT not to throw punches! I would tell him to throw High precentage punches.
High percentage punches?
QUOTE(Nay_Sayer @ Feb 14 2008, 01:42 PM) [snapback]378566[/snapback]
High percentage punches?
LOL...
I would love to see Taylor's face when he was fed those instructions.
Just finish him when he gets him in trouble. Hopefully, he trained correctly this time.
To hear him and Stewart talk about how GREAT camp was in the Poconos, how the Poconos Camp is absolutely no-nonsense, etc, and now hear him say he didn't spar that much, didn't hit the heavy bag that much. I mean, it's frustrating as a fan of the sport, as a potential PPV consumer. All I heard about leading up to the first fight was how much sparring JT was doing in the Poconos.
I dunno. I think this fight is a pick em. I obviously favor Pavlik, given the psychological damage suffered when you get KTFO, but Smoger could have EASILY stepped in and stopped the fight in the second and NOBODY would have complained.
To hear him and Stewart talk about how GREAT camp was in the Poconos, how the Poconos Camp is absolutely no-nonsense, etc, and now hear him say he didn't spar that much, didn't hit the heavy bag that much. I mean, it's frustrating as a fan of the sport, as a potential PPV consumer. All I heard about leading up to the first fight was how much sparring JT was doing in the Poconos.
I dunno. I think this fight is a pick em. I obviously favor Pavlik, given the psychological damage suffered when you get KTFO, but Smoger could have EASILY stepped in and stopped the fight in the second and NOBODY would have complained.
QUOTE(JD @ Feb 14 2008, 01:48 PM) [snapback]378567[/snapback]
LOL...
I would love to see Taylor's face when he was fed those instructions.
I would love to see Taylor's face when he was fed those instructions.
You guys ever heard the basketball term "High Percentage Shots"? Same thing here!
High percentage Punches are punches that land at a good rate. Knowing when to throw the punch and where to throw the punch. Choosing your shots!, not just swinging away!
Im sorry if you guyus didn't inderstand that!!!!
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Feb 14 2008, 02:53 PM) [snapback]378574[/snapback]
You guys ever heard the basketball term "High Percentage Shots"? Same thing here!
High percentage Punches are punches that land at a good rate. Knowing when to throw the punch and where to throw the punch. Choosing your shots!, not just swinging away!
Im sorry if you guyus didn't inderstand that!!!!
High percentage Punches are punches that land at a good rate. Knowing when to throw the punch and where to throw the punch. Choosing your shots!, not just swinging away!
Im sorry if you guyus didn't inderstand that!!!!
LOL...
So what you are saying is "be selective with your punches", not "throw high percentage punches".
Being selective will not work with Pavlik, Taylor is going to eventually have to fight - and I am not sure he is going to be fully over getting knocked out.
QUOTE(JD @ Feb 14 2008, 03:57 PM) [snapback]378580[/snapback]
LOL...
So what you are saying is "be selective with your punches", not "throw high percentage punches".
Being selective will not work with Pavlik, Taylor is going to eventually have to fight - and I am not sure he is going to be fully over getting knocked out.
So what you are saying is "be selective with your punches", not "throw high percentage punches".
Being selective will not work with Pavlik, Taylor is going to eventually have to fight - and I am not sure he is going to be fully over getting knocked out.
Taylor can out box him! We just have to see what happens.
Like Ive said, Taylor by UD!
If Pavlik KOs him then I admit I was wrong
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Feb 14 2008, 06:18 PM) [snapback]378594[/snapback]
Taylor can out box him! We just have to see what happens.
Like Ive said, Taylor by UD!
If Pavlik KOs him then I admit I was wrong
Like Ive said, Taylor by UD!
If Pavlik KOs him then I admit I was wrong
It's all good...I have been wrong many times, and will be again.
I just do not think Taylor has the skills to outbox Pavlik - this is a guy that gets by on athleticism, and the problem here is that Pavlik is bigger, punches straighter (which negates a lot of that athleticism), has a better chin, better recuperative abilities, punches significantly harder and has far better stamina.
I'm not counting Taylor completely out...but I have to agree with the consensus...Pavlik is supposed to win this one. He beat Taylor down in that first fight...and to let it be known...I don't think anyone at 160 could survive the power punches Pavlik landed in that fight...
It will take a really conditioned and determined boxer to beat him...and it would most likely have to be on points....because I'm of the thinking that Pavlik's chin IS for real...meaning better than most.
It will take a really conditioned and determined boxer to beat him...and it would most likely have to be on points....because I'm of the thinking that Pavlik's chin IS for real...meaning better than most.
QUOTE(Method @ Feb 14 2008, 01:36 PM) [snapback]378571[/snapback]
JI dunno. I think this fight is a pick em. I obviously favor Pavlik, given the psychological damage suffered when you get KTFO, but Smoger could have EASILY stepped in and stopped the fight in the second and NOBODY would have complained.
Taylor won't get the early Christmas gift he got in the first fight. I think his only option is to throw all caution to the wind and go for the early KO.
But I don't see that happening. This fight comes down to discipline, IMO. Pavlik has it and Taylor doesn't. I don't think Taylor can outbox Pavlik nor do I think he can have any measure of success if he elects to stand and trade.
I see this fight going one of two ways; Taylor stands his ground and goes out on his shield or Taylor retreats and loses a lopsided decision.
And lets not forget, Taylor will have a bigger, stronger Pavlik in front of him this go round...
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