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Jack 1000
On March 1st, one of the most explosive trillogies in boxing's recent years concludes with the Vasquez-Marquez III superfight! Not only for the WBC Jr. Featherweight Title, this match will also bring out the greatness in these two amazing little giants. So who will win this war? And why? Vote in the poll now!!!

Jack

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caneman
I went with Vasquez by KO but in this fight, that may as well be a guess cause anything could happen. Truth be told, I REALLY like both guys a lot. This fight could end up being stopped on cuts for either guy, very easily. Both fighters are what a fighter should be, IMO. Power, heart, skills, metal & all the things that made me a fan for so many days. WAR LITTLE MEN WITH BALLS THE SIZE OF TENNIS BALLS! rolleyes.gif
Jack 1000
It is damn impossible to predict this fight as anything can happen so it's a 50/50 shot for either man. But I will go Vasquez TKO 8 in another war that features several changes in momentum with a kd or 2 along the way.

Jack
Southeastpaw
I choose not to predict. I can't!!!!! These two are my favorite little guys in ths sport. I will be rooting for Israel though. No PPV. Doesn't get any better!!!!!
Imperius3
When it comes down to it, Marquez can't take punches as well as Vazquez can. I believe Marquez might be slightly more skilled, and at first I was gonna pick him to win. However, after watching the last fight it's hard to go against what Vazquez did. He wobbled and hurt Marquez badly several times. Vazquez was able to take everything Marquez dished out without being fazed (especially that monster right hand in the 4th). In the first fight, Marquez did win (again he was dropped though), however, I'm beginning to think that the broken nose of Vazquez might have hindered him more than some think.

Both of these fighters are damn good though. Nothing would surprise me here. This is still a 50/50 fight. Marquez needs to cut Vazquez to shreds and break as many of his facial bones as possible. That's the only way I think he can stop Vazquez. Fighting at a distance is another good option, but I don't think it can happen. The styles of these two force a war. In a war, I favor Vazquez, and I think that's what it's gonna be.

Vazquez TKO 7
kidbazooka1
I think both of these guys are evenly skilled. Vasquez has a better chin but Marquez has better power either way this should be another classic.
Imperius3
^^

I think Vazquez has better power, especially with that left hook.
BrutalBodyShots
After watching both fights, especially the last one Vasquez should be slightly favored and rightfully so for the reasons others have already outlined above. I disagree that this is a 50/50 fight; it's more like a 65/35 fight or 60/40. I think even if the ref had let the last fight go a little longer (I think he stepped in a tad bit too quick) that Marquez would have been stopped regardless later in the round or probably in the next round - he was just broken down at that point. If he uses his jab and keeps Vasquez on the end of his punches I think he'll do better in the fight, but ultimately Vasquez' pressure forces him to stand and trade, and Vasquez will prevail.

kidbazooka1
QUOTE(Imperius3 @ Feb 27 2008, 03:30 AM) [snapback]380210[/snapback]
^^

I think Vazquez has better power, especially with that left hook.


I think it only seems like that because Vasquez has a superior chin that alllows him to absorb Marquez shots better but punch for punch I think Marquez has more pure power.
torvix2000
The causes of Marquez's problems are himself. I mean, he likes to fight!!!

And we LOVE these kinds of guys. Keep boxing exciting.

If Rafa is just like Juan Manuel, he could perhaps win 8 out of 10. But then, we won't be talking about him just like what we're doin' now.
kidbazooka1
QUOTE(torvix2000 @ Feb 27 2008, 09:12 PM) [snapback]380405[/snapback]
The causes of Marquez's problems are himself. I mean, he likes to fight!!!

And we LOVE these kinds of guys. Keep boxing exciting.

If Rafa is just like Juan Manuel, he could perhaps win 8 out of 10. But then, we won't be talking about him just like what we're doin' now.


He likes to fight because he knows he has the power but sometimes you need to play it safe especialy if you have a vulnerable chin.
BigG
I really like both guys. Two great fighters. I got Vazquez by mid round TKO.
salvador
QUOTE(Fitz @ Feb 28 2008, 08:37 PM) [snapback]380535[/snapback]
Should be another good fight, and close to a pick em fight. Marquez has good value, paying $2.40 for a win. Very good odds.


Where did you find Marquez at +240? Sportsbook has him at +125 which is about right.

I actually like his brother's odds in the Pacquiao fight better at +150.
salvador
QUOTE(Fitz @ Feb 29 2008, 10:01 AM) [snapback]380585[/snapback]
We have even better odds for Marquez-Pacquiao. We have Marquez for $2.60. I'm jumping straight on that. That's a bargain if I ever saw one, and so is Rafael over Vasquez. Even though it's a pick em, they really should have put closer odds for a R.Marquez win. Are your odds seriously a lot closer than ours?

Pacquiao-Marquez odds


I didn't understand the way your odds were presented. At $2.45 that means that if you bet a dollar you win $1.45 plus your original dollar. I thought it meant that one dollar won you $2.45 plus your original dollar. Everywhere I've bet always just lists odds at +145, meaning that you win $1.45 and your original dollar stays in your account. It's just a different presentation style for the same thing.

That said, your odds are a little better than Sportsbook's.

And I'm totally with you on JMM. The more I think about their first fight, the more I remember Pacquiao not being able to land anything after about the 3rd or 4th round.
BigG
Pacquiao was landing his left but it wasn't affecting Marquez anymore after round 1. Marquez just got caught cold IMO.
Mean Mister Mustard
Hey, take it to another thread! This is for Vasquez-Marquez. (By the way I hope JMM wins)

It's funny how after the first fight the boxing writers were all happy the rematch was going to happen but didn't see how Vasquez could beat the monstruous punching of Marquez. Then Vasquez stops Marquez and now it's Vasquez who is unstoppable.

I think we need to remember that these guys are pound for pounders and both can beat each other.
salvador
I just read an interesting thing on Marquez on Boxrec.com. Apparently he was ko'd in his first fight as a pro. They'd put him in with a guy who was 39-14 and he was ko'd in the 8th round.

It almost makes you wonder how many great Mexican champs there never were because they were overmatched too early in their careers and had their chins shattered.
Imperius3
QUOTE(kidbazooka1 @ Feb 27 2008, 02:20 PM) [snapback]380311[/snapback]
I think it only seems like that because Vasquez has a superior chin that alllows him to absorb Marquez shots better but punch for punch I think Marquez has more pure power.


That might be the case. I don't know, it's hard to tell. It's pretty close either way.

As far as this bandwagon shit talk goes, I think most people are picking Vazquez because of what he proved in their last fight - not just because he won. I picked Marquez to win the first two fights. And who didn't pick Marquez to win the second fight? That was the rational pick to make with the way Marquez handled Vazquez in the first bout. In the second fight though, Vazquez proved he had great heart, courage, and chin. Marquez showed great heart and boxing ability as well, but he also showed some weaknesses. Marquez has been hurt in both fights, and I don't think his chin will hold up in another war. Simple as that.

Just about everyone is acknowledging that this is NOT a lock either. Both are capable of beating each other. It's going to be interesting how it plays out. Should be a good one.
hardhead
Man, I just watched both of these fights for the 3rd time and I must say WOW!!! I know they were not as long and sustained is this trilogy shaping(up until this point) to be better then Barrera/Morales, Gatti/Ward??

That second fight was just BRUTAL, after watching it again I don't feel the stoppage was that bad(the first time I saw it I felt it wasn't that bad but maybe should've let him go on), although Marquez was swinging a few punches here and there Vazquez was tagging the shit out of him with some vicious blows to the head..Marquez has some heart that's for sure, hell the Marquez brother are some tough ass little dudes..

Vazquez was tagging Marquez with that left hook, Marquez just could not stop it for some reason..
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
I also have a very hard time predicting this fight. Marquez has the better skills, but Vazquez is just relentless. Marquez won that first fight, but Vazquez was coming on, and may have taken it in the late rounds. The 2nd fight, I thought Marquez traded too much and just got caught. The stoppage may have been premature, but that's irrelevant now. I expect this fight to look like the 1st and 2nd fights. I expect Marquez to come out a little more cautious in the early going, and win those rounds with his ability. Eventually though, the pressure of Vazquez will catch up. There will be more exchanges in the middle rounds, and Marquez is going to slug it out. He'll last a few rounds doing this, but get caught late. He won't be able to keep Vazquez off and he'll get stoped. Vazquez TKO 10.

On a side note. I'm dissapointed in the amount of coverage this has gotten. Fightnews hasn't run much on the fight, its basically non existant on boxingtalk, boxingconfidential hasn't run much on it, and even maxboxing has only run a few articles on it. It's a rematch of the fight of the year, but it's not covered like it. Oh well, should be another great one though.
Kyle
gods son
after 3 rounds, it will turn into a slaughter house..

i have Vazquez stopping him via TKO by Round 9!

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