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stateofthegame
Max started tonight by saying "Why should I be watching these two guys?" He really needs to watch what he is saying because he made it sound as if both of these guys are bums that should not be on HBO.

Here is why they are on. Andrade deserves another chance at HBObased off his performance against Kessler, plus he is exciting and this fight is an IBF eliminator. Also it is being shown because this is Boxing After Dark and not WCB. Another reason is because HBO has to do something to grab the viewers attention because at this moment they are getting killed by Showtime with their boxing and MMA events.

That is why this fight is being shown, and for Max to start the telecast asking that question in the tone he stated it probably had some people acrossthe country turning their channels back to the NCAA tournament.
kidbazooka1
I agree, yet the fights turned out to be two of the most exciting fights for HBO this year.
Imperius3
Kellerman's been getting on my nerves lately. I hope he doesn't evolve into another Lampley.

I liked Foreman and Jones as commentators. Sometimes like Merchant. That's it.
Yucayeke
More and More I simply can't stand Kellerman. Lampley is a cheerleader no doubt, but he is not as irritating as Max.

Larry does have his issues, but at least he aint Max. George and Lennox I like, after all they have gotten into a ring and faced the best.

Mixnutz
Kellerman is hit and miss with me sometimes. At times I feel he brings a much needed energy and bluntness, other times he comes off as a screaming ass. Last night he grated my nerves with his constant pandering to those who feel that the Ring rankins are the end all be all.

My thought here is don't rant on air about how little the sanctioning bodies titles mean in the grand scheme of things when HBO uses these trinkets to promote the fights.
EpTXCHAMP
Roy jones hands down was the best! At times max can be annoying however one thing I like about him is that he's not a cheerleader like lamp is for DLH or a biased hater on fighters like Judah, Spinks and PBF like old fart merchant is so ehh what can you do were screwed either way lol
Byrd Man
Well I look at it like this.

1. The dude says what he feels. He doesn't sugar coat shit, he just says what he thinks.

2. He doesn't tow the company line. He's not a shill for HBO in that he's willing to call out if he thinks going into a fight that it's a bullshit fight. He's willing to champion the Rings rankings and shit on the sanctioning bodies, despite HBO using those Sanctioning Bodies to promote shit.

People wanna slam on Max, but the man is just being real with it, as much as I hate that phrase. He says what he feels, and he's brutally honest (according to what he thinks) whether it jibes with HBO's stance or not.

I'd rather have someone like Kellerman, than someone who's just gonna tell you whatever HBO wants them to tell you.
anthonyaccurate
Fair enough, but there is a much more professional way of doing your job. That wasn't the first and won't be the last time he might feel that way covering fights. He comes across as immature on a professional level at times. Also, it was a good and entertaining fight, so whats the use of bitching BEFORE the fight is over, especially if you are paid major money and get the highest level of exposure to talk about boxing, a sport thats begging for exposure at every opportunity. He could be covering some 4 rounders at some small Indian casino....



The statement was classless IMO.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(stateofthegame @ Mar 22 2008, 09:23 PM) [snapback]383436[/snapback]
Another reason is because HBO has to do something to grab the viewers attention because at this moment they are getting killed by Showtime with their boxing and MMA events.



I do NOT agree with this at all! For the last few years it seemed Showtime was pretty well holding it's own with HBO....but this year thus far....there is no comparison! So much so, that I myself dumped Showtime, due to not seeing anything on the horizon. HBO has had 2 HW fights that although not great gave us a clearer picture of the HW division. Casamayor/Katsitis, Diaz/Campbell, B-Hop/Calzage, Diaz/Pac II, RJJ/Trinidad, Pavlik/Taylor II.

As opposed to Vasquez/Marquez.

Just no comparison at all.
stateofthegame
Three of those six were on PPV, something that Showtime has went away from. Showtime has had more fights (boxing and MMA) for regular customers. The only one this year that did not really pan out was the cruiser fight in my opinion.

As for the two heavyweight fights, it did give us a clearer picture that the division sucks worse than first thought. The Casa fight and undercard was good, as was Campbell/Diaz. I do not count Calzaghe/Hopkins yet because the fight has not happened and Joe has pulled out of big fights before because he got hurt training, so until it actually happens you cannot count it.
Imperius3
QUOTE(Byrd Man @ Mar 23 2008, 01:43 PM) [snapback]383592[/snapback]
Well I look at it like this.

1. The dude says what he feels. He doesn't sugar coat shit, he just says what he thinks.

2. He doesn't tow the company line. He's not a shill for HBO in that he's willing to call out if he thinks going into a fight that it's a bullshit fight. He's willing to champion the Rings rankings and shit on the sanctioning bodies, despite HBO using those Sanctioning Bodies to promote shit.

People wanna slam on Max, but the man is just being real with it, as much as I hate that phrase. He says what he feels, and he's brutally honest (according to what he thinks) whether it jibes with HBO's stance or not.

I'd rather have someone like Kellerman, than someone who's just gonna tell you whatever HBO wants them to tell you.


Eventually I think Kellerman will turn into another HBO puppet. He's already starting to favor aggressive fighters who just walk forward and eat punches.
Byrd Man
hasn't that always been his thing though?
Imperius3
No, he used to favor pure boxers.
Fitz
Uhhhhh because you cover the sport?

What a stupid thing to say.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(stateofthegame @ Mar 23 2008, 07:17 PM) [snapback]383634[/snapback]
Three of those six were on PPV, something that Showtime has went away from. Showtime has had more fights (boxing and MMA) for regular customers. The only one this year that did not really pan out was the cruiser fight in my opinion.

As for the two heavyweight fights, it did give us a clearer picture that the division sucks worse than first thought. The Casa fight and undercard was good, as was Campbell/Diaz. I do not count Calzaghe/Hopkins yet because the fight has not happened and Joe has pulled out of big fights before because he got hurt training, so until it actually happens you cannot count it.



Yeah but regardless of that, viewers still get the replay on the network. The last PPV I bought was the 3 HW fight deal DK put on a few years back....with Holyfield/Donald. Every PPV since....I have watched the replay only.

I don't know....a couple of years ago I agreed with Showtime doing a great job....but not this year or last IMHO. For me personally, there is no comparison thus far.

And not only in Boxing....but in pure features.....Bill Maher, Curb Your Enthusiasm, In Treatment....John Adams.

Compare that to the crap showtime offers up in Weeds and the like.

That's why I dumped them this year. I felt like they were slipping big time last year and when I saw nothing on the horizon...I let them go.

I don't regret it as of yet....maybe in a couple more years they will get me back....but right now HBO is on a role!
Jack 1000
My thoughts on Kellerman's commentary:

TOO MUCH RING MAGAZINE WORSHIPPING! He really needs to tone this down.

It wouldn't be so bad if Ring was the 20's-70's magazine that it used to be. And if this was still the 1970's. The problem is that Max is trying to live in a different era, and a different time. Ring back in those days was much better than it is now. Now it's just a marketing tool for Golden Boy's fighters. If not yet, it soon will be.

But more importantly, Max is acting like he's an astute historian of boxing history. It's not just that he wasn't alive back than. I wasn't alive back then either. The point is today's generation doesn't care about boxing history like this is, say the 70's. Boxing is much too internationally structured today. The alphabets aren't going away. That is not always a bad thing. Showtime has accepted this, why can't HBO?

I'm also tired of Gatti, Gatti, Gatti references, every time HBO has a great fight. Sure, Gatti gave HBO some of the most memorable wars for HBO, but he also got smashed against the division's elite boxers. I also think that despite the classic status of Ward-Gatti I, the second and third fights are overrated. Keep in mind that the guys that Gatti was fighting in brawling situations were tough B-grade fighters themselves, not living legend opponents. For this reason, Gatti deserves credit for courage and determination, but to put him in the IBHOF in my view for historical status is ludicrous.

Jack
BGv2.0
QUOTE(Jack 1000 @ Mar 24 2008, 12:32 PM) [snapback]383697[/snapback]
Gatti deserves credit for courage and determination, but to put him in the IBHOF in my view for historical status is ludicrous.

Jack



IMHO any "Boxing" HOF WITHOUT Gatti....would be lacking. Sometimes a sports figure brings a different type of aspect to their sport. Gatti brought excitement and fans in a way Great Champions such as Lennox Lewis never could have. He may not have beat every top guy he ever fought, but he did bring much to the sport. For me personally, that's enough to warrent at some point HOF status.
Boxingjunkie
COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN!!
stateofthegame
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Mar 24 2008, 10:36 AM) [snapback]383661[/snapback]
Yeah but regardless of that, viewers still get the replay on the network. The last PPV I bought was the 3 HW fight deal DK put on a few years back....with Holyfield/Donald. Every PPV since....I have watched the replay only.

I don't know....a couple of years ago I agreed with Showtime doing a great job....but not this year or last IMHO. For me personally, there is no comparison thus far.

And not only in Boxing....but in pure features.....Bill Maher, Curb Your Enthusiasm, In Treatment....John Adams.

Compare that to the crap showtime offers up in Weeds and the like.

That's why I dumped them this year. I felt like they were slipping big time last year and when I saw nothing on the horizon...I let them go.

I don't regret it as of yet....maybe in a couple more years they will get me back....but right now HBO is on a role!


I can understand the programming arguement. I actually got Showtime for Jerimiah a few years ago. I really enjoyed the first season, then the second season went to shit. Showtime's regular programming is horrible. I am even not that impressed with Dexter the way most people are.

QUOTE(Boxingjunkie @ Mar 25 2008, 01:25 AM) [snapback]383719[/snapback]
COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN, COMPLAIN!!

It is not just complaining, it is that if I am a regular viewer that sees boxing and I am interested a little and I turn over there and the first thing I hear is the announcer asking this question I am going to turn. NOw to defend Max a little I know he was getting to the point as to why you should watch, but the way he asked the question and the tone he used basically sounded very negative to HBO even showing the fight.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(stateofthegame @ Mar 24 2008, 04:41 PM) [snapback]383722[/snapback]
I can understand the programming arguement. I actually got Showtime for Jerimiah a few years ago. I really enjoyed the first season, then the second season went to shit. Showtime's regular programming is horrible. I am even not that impressed with Dexter the way most people are.

Nah man showtime has come a long way. Dexter is good, weeds is good and californication is fucking great. the tudors is interesting enough as well, it's no rome, but it's ok.
Big Slim Sweet
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