I guess it Las Vegas Boxing commission has more money then The United States Marine Corps. Too Huh. Because I was in four year smoked trees the whole time and never popped the drug test. Drug tests are very easy to pass when you know they are coming the only that fail those things are idiots.



To answer the demon monkey man all the Pride fighters new a drug test was coming so all of them could prepare where as the UFC guys could get called to do one randomly. It makes a huge difference. Again you have no proof.

The Chute Boxe guys that Rampage has fought...Ninja hasnt looked great in a cage, Wanderlei even when he was with Chute Boxe his 1st UFC experience and neither did Shogun. You could always find one case of success (Enter Anderson's Silva's name). You're right I have followed the sport for a considerable amount of time and I know the difference b/tw lacking confidence and being scared (I was also an athlete for a pretty good while not to toot my own horn, but a National Powerlifting Champion to be exact/w National records) Did I lack confidence going into some PL meets? Yeah! Was I ever scared to compete against someone? No! Lacking confidence would be like me saying, "I dont know if I could beat Warlord in a fight." Being scared would be me saying, "Hell no, I'm not fighting Warlord, he'd kill me!" That's why I like Rampage's attitude of, "Let's do it again." If I got beat up after school by the same guy for 2 weeks, I guarantee you I wouldnt change the route in which I walked home; we would just be fighting everyday, win, lose or draw. I think fans want these fighters to bow down too much. Ok, Rampage called Wanderlei a chump, great this is the fight game and us fans benefit from that kind of talk. I wouldnt want to see a 3rd fight b/tw the 2 of them if Rampage comes on and says, "Wanderlei is the Axe Murderer he kicked my ass twice and I'm afraid of him." That's stupid to not want fighters whether they got their ass kicked or not, to say let's do it again. I always see post where people are like, "Rampage is Chuck Liddell's dad." I like both fighters and if Chuck is willing to fight Rampage again, that shows he doesnt fear him and is willing to give it another crack. I think someone should start a thread on why did we have to see Ortiz/Shamrock 3 times instead!

Because Ken Shamrock afraid to fight and because his ego is so massive that he truly convinced himself that injuries were why he lost and that he could beat Tito, when in reality Ken Shamrock is one of the most over-hyped guys in the business. In my opinion, he was inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame for not doing anything that great, but since he was willing to come back he was inducted. Frye, Severn, Coleman, hell even Maurice Smith should have been inducted before him.

That's fine. But would you walk around school telling everyone that the guy who whipped your ass everyday was a pussy who only beat up other pussies? No. You wouldn't. Because then you'd be calling yourself a pussy, the same way Quinton is calling himself a chump.

I don't want any fighters bowing down. I like bad guys, and I like fighters who talk shit. I like the BJ Penns, the Chris Lebens, the Rampage Jackson's of the world. In boxing I always loved the Durans, the Vargas's, the Tysons, the kind of guys who talked endlessly about how awesome they are and how bad they will fuck everyone up. I just don't like it when fighters get raped in the ring (twice) and then disrespect the skills of the guy who whipped their ass so brutally. It's just dumb. Period. And no amount of rationalization is ever going to compensate for the utter stupidity of making a statement like that.



I'm all for guys wanting rematches with the fighter who beat them. If it was one defeat, I could even understand a fighter claiming he had an off night, he was injured, whatever. What is fucked up is to get BRUTALIZED twice!!! And then fucking run your mouth about how bad your victor sucks and how much of a bad ass you are. That's fucking retarded. And WEAK. Just say you want redemption and STFU.

Rampage is Chuck's dad. If Chuck has a problem with it, he can step up and prove otherwise. What isn't acceptable is for him to act like he's the number one badass in the world, and to call Rampage a "Chump Killer" or whatever the fuck that cokehead could come up with.


It just shows denial, actually. Chuck doesn't deserve another shot, and I don't think anyone really believes that. Only Chuck nuthuggers and drunk rednecks think Chuck deserves ANOTHER shot at Rampage. He needs to fight Jardine again, and beat a couple more RANKED 205lbers before even being considered for a title shot. There should be some rule that prevents 0-2 fighters from getting a 3rd fight with their conquerors. Does anyone really want to see Sakuraba/Silva 4? Jones/Tarver 4? Mosley/Wright 3? Mosley/Forrest 3? No. I don't think so.


I agree. I'll be the first guy there to respond to it. It was, is, and will be just as ridiculous as the day Rampage and Liddell meet for a 3rd match. (Which would be next week if Dana White could have his way.)

I dont think Chuck deserves a shot either I was just using an example of someone who has loss twice and is still willing to fight a guy. I wouldnt call anyone someone's dad, he loss 2 fights to him; no more no less... I would walk around the school saying we're gonig to fight again. See, Rampage knows what pisses Wanderlei off and sucking up to him and telling him how great he is wont warrant him a rematch. My talks with Juanito leaves me to believe they want this fight more than anything. This is Ra,pages way of getting Wanderlei backin the ring (cage) with him. Vargas still calls De La Hoya a pussy and he got his ass whooped and tested positive for juice, so you may want to take him off of your list, but you know why Vargas still calls him a pussy? Not b/c he doesnt know he got his ass kicked, but he said it himself, he just dont like Oscar De La Hoya; guess what? Rampage and Wanderlei hate each other and that's the reason behind whatever he wants to call Wnaderlei. Dog, Rampage is the champion...I dont think he would trade places with Wanderlei right now. You've seen Chuck Liddell do coke? I dont know what you have against Chuck, but calling him a cokehead is pretty bold when you defended Wanderlei not being a juicer so hard! Glad to show you the difference b/tw lacking confidence and being scared though!

It's real easy to get a fight with Wanderlei. Just ask. He's never been afraid of anyone or anything. Wanderlei has always risen to the challenge, even when Pride was putting him in freakshow matches against gargantuweights like CroCop. I like Quinton, but he was just being stupid by saying what he said, and everybody knows it.

I've talked to Fernando quite a few times since his match with Oscar, and I've never heard him call Oscar a "pussy" or "chump killer." Sure he hates his guts, but he knows better than to downgrade the skills of a fighter whose kicked his ass.


I understand that. Call Wanderlei names if you don't like him, but don't call him a chump killer if you're one of the chumps he's killed.

Rampage IS the champion, and he is a fine champion whose skills have improved light years beyond what they were when he first got into the game. It still don't mean I ain't gonna call a spade a spade if he says some dumb shit.


Not personally, but I've got enough people whispering this shit in my ear off-the-record and with nothing to gain, to make me wonder. Him showing up zoned-out and falling asleep in mid-interview during an interview on one of those morning talk shows didn't do much to assuage my concerns either. (I can't recall the name of the morning show off the top of my head, but I'm sure you've seen it. If not, I'll get the name and a clip and PM it to you or just post it at a later time in this thread.)

I don't have anything against Chuck, personally. He's a little arrogant, but that's pretty much the norm for top-flight athletes. I more have a problem with Chuck's fans, so I tend to flame him on occassion just to spite them. Petty, to be sure. But then I never claimed to be a man above pettiness.


Did I say Rampage was scared? Naa. I never mentioned the word "scared" in any of my posts. I simply said that Rampage wasn't a confident fighter. Which he isn't. You brought up being scared. But if you have now clarified, for yourself, the difference between being scared and having a lack of confidence, then big ups to you. It's not often we see one debate onesself on the internet, and come out victorious in the end.

I'm not here to get into a pissing contest with you about who's drug testing budget is bigger, because I don't know (and neither do you) and I don't care.

But.. you saying that because you passed a Marine Corps piss test therefore the Vegas boxing commission drug test program is crap. I love your logics.

I crossed I-95 on foot, so it's ok to play in traffic. Brilliant.