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Jack 1000
It has been several years since I have purchased a PPV boxing card,

There are several reasons for this. Economic conditions have forced many to pursue other options for boxing. The biggest problem for me is that I already pay a discounted rate of $175/mo for Cable, Road Runner Internet Service, and Digital Phone. When the promoters started pushing these fights upwards to $50-$60 a shot, I was forced to say, 'No More."

PPV is no longer a viable entertainment option for consumers. It has become a financial burden on top of other expenses. It has been much easier for me to DVR the shows, movies, series, and boxing matches that I like. Than purchase what I am interested in on DVD, if I want to keep the content. I can get quality entertainment on a custom made DVD, or commercial based DVD for less than half the cost of today's PPV fights!

The biggest problem is that even with potential ring classics like Cotto-Margarito, which is going to be very, very, very hard for me to not buy, is the calculated risk of getting ripped off for ANY fight. At $175 a month, I can't afford to be ripped off anymore. However, having the fight content on DVD, I know that I will be ordering a quality match or matches through and through. Consumers can control what happens when purchasing entertainment on DVD. For live boxing, you get two cracker-jack, lower than ESPN caliber matches, than 2 hours of talking. Do customers really need to pay $50 to listen to Lamply talk about his love-affair with Delahoya, Max Kellerman's love of RING magazine, or hear how many words or phrases Larry Merchant can mispronounce?

A simple solution would be lower PPV prices. The problem is, that makes too much sense. What about charging a $20 max for only that one big main event fight? People wouldn't feel cheated so much, and it would represent the cost of what many collectors charge for a custom made tape or DVD?

Showtime has gotten smart by moving away from PPV. It's too bad that HBO hasn't followed suit. What do you see for PPV's future, and your future for ordering upcoming fights or MMA matches? With today's recession, how long can PPV be a top commodity for the consumer?

Jack
Chi-Town
Wow...what a post
Spyder
Go to the bar, and watch the PPV cards for free...well it's free if you don't take into account the price of food and drinks.
Big Slim Sweet
Order PPV. Don't consider price until bill arrives. Pay. Keep mouth shut. Go to work. Do as told.
EpTXCHAMP
good lord 175? Damn Time warner you need to switch to the dish brother. However I fell your pain if your stuck with cable like my cousin who lives in an apartment and cant get dish so he's forced to over pay for cable and thus limits his bidget to buy ppv's Id suggest hitting up a bar or getting a group of friends together to but it pitch in
oozemcbuck
good thing my boy got bootlegged satelitte. i got both HBO and SHOWTIME just for the boxing. when there's no boxing for that month, i call and cancel, then add it back when there's a fight. you can buy a dish for like $10-$20 on the net, then you need the receiver, which go for about $200- or more, depending on what you need. now, you go to a website and order a chip or something and, BAM, free everything. i live in rhode island and my boy can watch any channel from any state, any game, porn, ppv, all that. the only thing is once in a while his signal gets ko'd, and he has to set everything up again, but it's worth. i think it's illegal, though. shit, he even gets some channels in HD !!
hardhead
QUOTE(oozemcbuck @ Apr 26 2008, 02:09 AM) [snapback]387699[/snapback]
good thing my boy got bootlegged satelitte. i got both HBO and SHOWTIME just for the boxing. when there's no boxing for that month, i call and cancel, then add it back when there's a fight. you can buy a dish for like $10-$20 on the net, then you need the receiver, which go for about $200- or more, depending on what you need. now, you go to a website and order a chip or something and, BAM, free everything. i live in rhode island and my boy can watch any channel from any state, any game, porn, ppv, all that. the only thing is once in a while his signal gets ko'd, and he has to set everything up again, but it's worth. i think it's illegal, though.



It's definitely illegal but my friend had the chip deal for YEARS but with them recently switching over to digital or whatever or something he couldn't get it anymore, then some things came up in the past years so we just didn't try to get around it...I loved the chip, pay for NOTHING...I think i'm going to look into it..


thehype
QUOTE(oozemcbuck @ Apr 25 2008, 10:09 PM) [snapback]387699[/snapback]
good thing my boy got bootlegged satelitte. i got both HBO and SHOWTIME just for the boxing. when there's no boxing for that month, i call and cancel, then add it back when there's a fight. you can buy a dish for like $10-$20 on the net, then you need the receiver, which go for about $200- or more, depending on what you need. now, you go to a website and order a chip or something and, BAM, free everything. i live in rhode island and my boy can watch any channel from any state, any game, porn, ppv, all that. the only thing is once in a while his signal gets ko'd, and he has to set everything up again, but it's worth. i think it's illegal, though.


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FTA baby.

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hardhead
QUOTE(thehype @ Apr 26 2008, 02:37 AM) [snapback]387701[/snapback]
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Fuck the man!!! with rising prices on gas, food, living expenses, etc what the hell is a little free Showtime and HBO... laugh.gif
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(Spyder @ Apr 25 2008, 04:30 PM) [snapback]387672[/snapback]
Go to the bar, and watch the PPV cards for free...well it's free if you don't take into account the price of food and drinks.

yeah, but we both know the food and drinks are well worth it. especially when a little fillipino destroys the hopes every mexican in the bar.
WindyCityP
SOPCAST!!!!!!!!!!!!!! p2p.eu !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
AKay
to chime in on the point Jack is trying to make, which i remember was brought up years ago on these boards and no one replied.

As long as people continue to pay, the promotors and hbo will continue to charge. even with the current charges reaching $60 dlh-mayweather broke records.( which i paid for and fell asleep watching)

There will be cards where people will lose money, such as the kiltchko vs williams bout of a few years ago, but in the end they will still recoup those losses.

Jack although your points are probably in the majority on these boards, they are in the overall minority of the 2 million plus that purchased the DLH/Mayweather fight. Companies just do not care about the minority who will bytch and moan and complain and not purchase products/services. How many times have these gas blackouts failed. Ebay just raised fees and had a big uproar from its seller base. They didnt budge and even though maybe 100k users left ebay, they still had a net increase from the year before of sellers. The only thing that will bring the PPV prices down, would be to not purchase them doesnt seem like that will happen.



BGv2.0
I've not paid for PPV in nearly 4-5 years....the last one I bought was DKs HW triple header with Holy/Donald, Golota(or McCline...can't remember)/Byrd and Rock/Meehan.

NOW....what helps me skip them without too much pain is the low level of the HW division.

All the other fights I'm quite content to catch the actions of a RBR on the boards, then watch the free replay the following weekend.

All this overpriced nonsense is just highway robbery. From cell phone bills to HD to Syrius Radio to cable....all of it is simply selling us pverpriced bullshit we don't actually need. BUT....the only thing that will stop the insane prices are when CONSUMERS stop buying it!

So in that respect....you are doing the best thing.

Money does not appear to mean as damn thing to today's typical American consumer. I'll give you a recent example of the difference between consumers today and 30 years ago.

Take Sony's soon to be monopoly on the DVD market.

This happened before in the 70s/early 80s, when Sony then owned the Betamax format and VHS came along and freed everyone, including the buying public and video producers from what basically amounted to total market extortion....which is what this is as well....BUT...it seems Americans today are too gotdamn stupid as opposed to their past generations to see the forrest for the trees.

Back then, Betamax was actually the better "tape"....as a matter of fact networks still utilize it today. It was smaller, more compact, more durable and was all around a great product. However, it was SUPER EXPENSIVE. You see Sony owned the exclusive rights to the format and if any film company wanted to release a movie, they had to pay Sony royalities for each tape produced. After a a few years....the price never dropped, and the public as well as production comapanies began to complain. Sony, being the vile beast they are....said pay us or cram it. THEN....the VHS format was produced, and unlike Sony, it's creators (JVC) did not charge anybody to use it....and we had a video boom!

Video tapes dropped in price, customers were happy and VHS performed so well that you can still get them in stores today. Even though the format was not the best....JVC's lack of desire for total market dominance allowed the flood gates to open. While Sony Corp. bit it's lip and never owned up to what a HUGE fuck up that was for their company.

Here we are 30 odd years later and Sony...ever the profit beast is doing it again with Blu-Ray. BUT....unlike consumers of the past...today's moronic American consumer does not question the $10-20 markup on Blu-Ray discs.....they just pay. AND if that were not bad enough, all of the major corporations that would have complained years ago.....simply allow Sony to swallow up the DVD landscape.

It's now like this in every facet of media.....MOST Americans....not all...but most will keep bullshit like PPV alive because they would rather pay that then fight the good fight and show a little self restraint andf FORCE the coporate beasts to lower their prices.



BrutalBodyShots
I actually think that lowering PPV prices wouldn't really hurt overall PPV revenue. I think if prices were lowered 20% (a $50 PPV lowered to $40) you'd probably see nearly a 20% increase in buys due to the lower cost. They would really have to play with the numbers, but even cutting it 50% down to $25 could probably generate at least 35-40% more buys (maybe not 50% to make up the entire difference). But in the end, MORE PPV BUYS equates to more success in the future. Even if a small amount of revenue is lost, having another 100k people buy the event is only going to give the sport more exposure and create more repeat buyers in the future.

At some point if you were to plot a graph of PPV buys against price for the PPV it would become "too cheap" and money would be lost - once that point is determined PPV prices should be set right around there. Basically the price at which nearly all fans are willing to purchase a PPV, within reason.

Vodoo
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ Apr 27 2008, 02:26 AM) [snapback]387776[/snapback]
I've not paid for PPV in nearly 4-5 years....the last one I bought was DKs HW triple header with Holy/Donald, Golota(or McCline...can't remember)/Byrd and Rock/Meehan.

NOW....what helps me skip them without too much pain is the low level of the HW division.

All the other fights I'm quite content to catch the actions of a RBR on the boards, then watch the free replay the following weekend.

All this overpriced nonsense is just highway robbery. From cell phone bills to HD to Syrius Radio to cable....all of it is simply selling us pverpriced bullshit we don't actually need. BUT....the only thing that will stop the insane prices are when CONSUMERS stop buying it!

So in that respect....you are doing the best thing.

Money does not appear to mean as damn thing to today's typical American consumer. I'll give you a recent example of the difference between consumers today and 30 years ago.

Take Sony's soon to be monopoly on the DVD market.

This happened before in the 70s/early 80s, when Sony then owned the Betamax format and VHS came along and freed everyone, including the buying public and video producers from what basically amounted to total market extortion....which is what this is as well....BUT...it seems Americans today are too gotdamn stupid as opposed to their past generations to see the forrest for the trees.

Back then, Betamax was actually the better "tape"....as a matter of fact networks still utilize it today. It was smaller, more compact, more durable and was all around a great product. However, it was SUPER EXPENSIVE. You see Sony owned the exclusive rights to the format and if any film company wanted to release a movie, they had to pay Sony royalities for each tape produced. After a a few years....the price never dropped, and the public as well as production comapanies began to complain. Sony, being the vile beast they are....said pay us or cram it. THEN....the VHS format was produced, and unlike Sony, it's creators (JVC) did not charge anybody to use it....and we had a video boom!

Video tapes dropped in price, customers were happy and VHS performed so well that you can still get them in stores today. Even though the format was not the best....JVC's lack of desire for total market dominance allowed the flood gates to open. While Sony Corp. bit it's lip and never owned up to what a HUGE fuck up that was for their company.

Here we are 30 odd years later and Sony...ever the profit beast is doing it again with Blu-Ray. BUT....unlike consumers of the past...today's moronic American consumer does not question the $10-20 markup on Blu-Ray discs.....they just pay. AND if that were not bad enough, all of the major corporations that would have complained years ago.....simply allow Sony to swallow up the DVD landscape.

It's now like this in every facet of media.....MOST Americans....not all...but most will keep bullshit like PPV alive because they would rather pay that then fight the good fight and show a little self restraint andf FORCE the coporate beasts to lower their prices.

I'm the same way dude. I haven't bought a PPV in several years due to the financial ridiculousness of it all. I'm now a primetime PPV boycotter and I advise others to join this newwave way of thinking. I remember back when Oscar & Tito were both WW champs PPV was soley reserved for high profile fights with high profile fighters, then Bob Arum started using an overly loyal mexican fanbase to stage monthly mexican PPV bouts and started a trend of everyday fights being occasionally shown on PPV. I refused to accept this new trend and am continuing the good fight to this day.
oozemcbuck
yup, mosley/judah, to me, is not ppv worthy. neither is cotto/margarito. they're really good fights, but not ppv material...
Hodge
My thing is, make it a good undercard. I'm really sick of these crumby fights on the undercard. Wes Ferguson vs. Edner Cherry 2, Golden Johnson vs. Margarito, etc... are not what I want to pony up that much money for. You would think with the stable of fighters GBP has, they would have spectacular cards. It just hasn't happened thus far. As for complete card, I think it was either Cotto/ Judah or Pacquio/ Solis. I normally enjoy the main event, but that alone is not worth nearly $60 bones.
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(Hodge @ Apr 29 2008, 01:19 PM) [snapback]388112[/snapback]
My thing is, make it a good undercard. I'm really sick of these crumby fights on the undercard. Wes Ferguson vs. Edner Cherry 2, Golden Johnson vs. Margarito, etc... are not what I want to pony up that much money for. You would think with the stable of fighters GBP has, they would have spectacular cards. It just hasn't happened thus far. As for complete card, I think it was either Cotto/ Judah or Pacquio/ Solis. I normally enjoy the main event, but that alone is not worth nearly $60 bones.

Damn straight on the undercard. What gets me hot is how GBP will always hype it up initially, like they're going to be putting on 3-4 real nice 50/50 matchups, they tease you with some fights they're considering, then one by one those fights end up not coming to fruition.

Take this Mosley-Judah card here. "High Stakes". Didn't they say in the beginning every undercard fight was going to be name guys with everything to lose matched up against one another? Barrios-Juarez, alright, I like that one. But they start talking about Jeff Lacey fighting Allan Greene and now we know that fight's not happening and here we are one month out and you haven't heard about who Lacey's going to fight and at this point you realize he's just going to be in there with another confidence-building type opponent who's a step down from Manfredo. Whoopdie-whoop. And Abner Mares is a great looking young fighter but he's just going to have another no-hoper against him. So for all the big talk all we're really getting is Mosley-Judah and Barrios-Juarez which don't get me wrong would make a terrific WCB show but doesn't really merit spending $50. And shit, watch either Barrios or Juarez pull out or not make weight and we end up getting Guty Espadas or Manuel Medina or someone like that instead.

Sorry for the mini-rant. Granted, I'm a sucker and since Shane's my favorite fighter I'd buy it anyway if I weren't already going to be in Vegas that weekend for a bachelor party and watching the fight live but that's beside the point.
BrutalBodyShots
One of the main reason that I'm a sucker for PPVs (not all, but more than I should) is because I'll lose the element of suspense/surprise if I don't get the PPV. If I pass on the PPV, there's NO WAY I can hold out a week from knowing the result, so when I watch the replay I'll already know what's going to happen. I'd have to avoid watching sports highlights on TV, stay away from this site and lots of online sites etc. to try and not hear the result for a week... then there's people talking and you could always hear from someone what happened. To me that's a lot of work and in some cases it's "worth" the money to just see it live and have the element of suspense during the fight, and be able to discuss the fight on here and with others over the next week.

Plus, I don't think many people "go solo" on PPVs all too much these days. Just watching it with one boxing fan cuts the cost in half, and if you have a handful of friends over the cost can be very low.



KOpower
While I rarely watch a fight solo, I feel like a complete jackass if I call people up and ask them if they will pay money to watch a fight. Sometimes they chip in, sometimes they just bring food, and sometimes nobody chips in at all. I don't even mind hosting and having a good time, as long as the fight is GOOD. These Mosely-Judah PPV's have got to go. This is not PPV worthy.

The thing that really pisses me off, and it has been mentioned on here, is the lack of a good under-card showing. It really pisses me off. Many times these under-cards are not even worth watching, but you feel like you HAVE to since you paid $50 for the fight, but deep down you know that you would rather be watching Sienfeld or the ballgame on ESPN or TNT. Shit, give us a good under-card every now and then! Even HBO WCB gives us a decent under-card now and then. Paul Williams was on the under-card of Gatti-Gomez. Margarito-Cintron was sort of hte under-card to Cotto's last fight. I remember when Mesi fought his last real fight on the same card as Pacman-JMM...and that was shown on regular HBO.

These promoters have got to start giving us decent under-card fights. This is how a real fight card should look....

1. Main Event (Mosely vs Judah)
2. Anticipated fight between 2 good fighters. (Paul Williams vs Joshua Clottey)
3. Fight featuring one "name" guy that even casual boxing fans can identify with (Edison Miranda vs Average fighter)

That isn't a bad card and I would actually spend $50 to see this....even though it features Judah-Mosely as the main event.


1. Shane Mosely vs Zab Judah
2. Paul Williams vs Joshua Clottey
3. Edison Miranda vs Whoever


That is a realistic fight card that could, and SHOULD, be made. Not this one exactly, but something like this. But boxing has really killed us with these crap under-cards.
Fitz
QUOTE(KOpower @ May 6 2008, 02:25 AM) [snapback]388632[/snapback]
While I rarely watch a fight solo, I feel like a complete jackass if I call people up and ask them if they will pay money to watch a fight. Sometimes they chip in, sometimes they just bring food, and sometimes nobody chips in at all. I don't even mind hosting and having a good time, as long as the fight is GOOD. These Mosely-Judah PPV's have got to go. This is not PPV worthy.

The thing that really pisses me off, and it has been mentioned on here, is the lack of a good under-card showing. It really pisses me off. Many times these under-cards are not even worth watching, but you feel like you HAVE to since you paid $50 for the fight, but deep down you know that you would rather be watching Sienfeld or the ballgame on ESPN or TNT. Shit, give us a good under-card every now and then! Even HBO WCB gives us a decent under-card now and then. Paul Williams was on the under-card of Gatti-Gomez. Margarito-Cintron was sort of hte under-card to Cotto's last fight. I remember when Mesi fought his last real fight on the same card as Pacman-JMM...and that was shown on regular HBO.


Haha. Great post, I have those exact feeling. From feeling like a jackass asking for money to wanting to watch something else like Seinfield instead of the undercards.
A lot of the times I come here during the undercard and talk some shit before the fight and if I see someone mention something good about the undercard, I go and have a look.
BrutalBodyShots
I've never had to ask friends for money for a PPV... it's kind of just a friendly, unwritten rule amongst us. I mean sometimes we just alternate who's place we watch it at and the host buys the PPV which is cool, but when one person out of the group of friends has the better venue (bigger house, better TV, whatever) and it ends up being at the persons house again and again I think most good friends know to chip in. Bringing food and/or beer is always a good way to cover the price of admission though, that I agree with.

Boxingjunkie
QUOTE(thehype @ Apr 25 2008, 09:37 PM) [snapback]387701[/snapback]
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FTA baby.

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SSSHHHH!! Dont tell anyone. nono.gif
and the NEW
Well, the US is not in recession yet, +0.6% growth last release.

PPV numbers and prices really come down to price elasticity of demand, something I am sure the big companies are running regression analysis on to determine maximum revenues.

BGv2.0
You know when MMA started to take ground from my beloved sport I took it personally, I HATED to see it....(some of you might remember heated threads about the topic).....but last night I bumped into a buddy of mine I had not seen in years, and he told me some shit that has made me think Boxing....deserves everything it has coming to it.

I had not seen this guy in a few years and he was telling me that he has opened two bars in the town I live in. I asked him if he planned on getting any PPV Boxing events, as I was getting tired of either having to drive into Houston for it at a big bar or wait for the free replay. He told me he would love to, but it just was not possible.....here's why.

He said "I can do this 2 ways, I could hook up televisons and claim it is a residence, which is illegal. OR I can do it the legit way, through the cable companies, PPV etc." Then he told me that if he did it the legit way, which he has already looked into, the satallite companies, and PPV base your cost on the sq. ft. size of your bar. Now, the bars he owns are extreamly small....I mean 30-40 people and it's packed....your typical "hole in the wall" type place (which TX is littered with). He said the starting base price is between 2-3 Grand!!! He said they estimate that you will charge $20 a head....when you campare that to his size restraints...he will NEVER make a profit....it will ALWAYS be a loss. He said he would try it the illegal way, but was simply too scared, as a buddy of his did it and got busted. He said they still cannot figure out how he got busted...but he did. Anyhow, he said the guy was made to pay back the inital sq. ft. price, PLUS penilty fees, PLUS a % of what they called "lost interest"....which I have no idea how you earn interest on a PPV fight which has passed....I suppose every time a patron who saw the fight live in your bar thinks about a KO and smiles at work....DK and HBO are owed for that memory..... dntknw.gif

BUT....this just goes to show you just how greedy it has become and is a rare glimpse into the part (bar ownership) that I never knew about.....

Boxing deserves any lost revenue it gets.....how can small bar owners (small working class people across America have always been Boxing's core audience) provide fights when the PPV system is set up for them to fail from the very start?
Mino
QUOTE(BGv2.0 @ May 12 2008, 12:51 AM) [snapback]389185[/snapback]
You know when MMA started to take ground from my beloved sport I took it personally, I HATED to see it....(some of you might remember heated threads about the topic).....but last night I bumped into a buddy of mine I had not seen in years, and he told me some shit that has made me think Boxing....deserves everything it has coming to it.

I had not seen this guy in a few years and he was telling me that he has opened two bars in the town I live in. I asked him if he planned on getting any PPV Boxing events, as I was getting tired of either having to drive into Houston for it at a big bar or wait for the free replay. He told me he would love to, but it just was not possible.....here's why.

He said "I can do this 2 ways, I could hook up televisons and claim it is a residence, which is illegal. OR I can do it the legit way, through the cable companies, PPV etc." Then he told me that if he did it the legit way, which he has already looked into, the satallite companies, and PPV base your cost on the sq. ft. size of your bar. Now, the bars he owns are extreamly small....I mean 30-40 people and it's packed....your typical "hole in the wall" type place (which TX is littered with). He said the starting base price is between 2-3 Grand!!! He said they estimate that you will charge $20 a head....when you campare that to his size restraints...he will NEVER make a profit....it will ALWAYS be a loss. He said he would try it the illegal way, but was simply too scared, as a buddy of his did it and got busted. He said they still cannot figure out how he got busted...but he did. Anyhow, he said the guy was made to pay back the inital sq. ft. price, PLUS penilty fees, PLUS a % of what they called "lost interest"....which I have no idea how you earn interest on a PPV fight which has passed....I suppose every time a patron who saw the fight live in your bar thinks about a KO and smiles at work....DK and HBO are owed for that memory..... dntknw.gif

BUT....this just goes to show you just how greedy it has become and is a rare glimpse into the part (bar ownership) that I never knew about.....

Boxing deserves any lost revenue it gets.....how can small bar owners (small working class people across America have always been Boxing's core audience) provide fights when the PPV system is set up for them to fail from the very start?

Miracles do happen....lol I for once agree with you, its the same in CT..they figure how many your bar can hold and then tax 15 - 20 per person, which is ridiculous...The only diff I would guess is that the few bars around here do it illegally and usually never have prob...
Warlord
I get all boxing for free here in Shanghai. Only drawback is that the commentary is in mandarin. So at least my time in hell here isnt' completely without perks.

As for bars in the US, they should just start showing porn. That would be cool.
D-MARV
I guess it's pretty bad when Cliff Couser headlines a PPV!!!! LOL
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