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Method
Jesus...talk about BULLSHIT stoppages. To anyone who watched last night, it was TEXTBOOK HBO on the part of whichever organization is behind the "Kimbo Slice Machine". I mean, he's obviously very marketable right now, and there is money to be made with him. He was having a ridiculously tough timne with his unheralded opponent last night (an why not, Kimbo himself is ridiculously UNSCHOOLED in the many facets of MMA). It really looked as if he was on his way to an L, and the second he showed some offensive momentum, the ref jumped in and waived it off, not giving his opponent a chance to come back.

Look, Im all for the Kimbo Slice story...the Kimbo Slice Phenomenon. But not at the expensed of bulshit stoppages just to line the pockets of the man. I was kind of lit last night, but I'd be surprised if anyone came in here (other than Kimbo, his team, or anyone that profited) and defended the stoppage. It was painfully obvious that they needed Kimbo to win, that he was in danger of losing, and that they siezed the opportunity to give him the W.

In my humble, and relatively green experience, let alone waning interest, in MMA, it was a GIANT step backwards.
The CEO
CBS and EliteXC both shit the bed last night....it was a major setback....but you know what?....MMA has steadily been going downhill SINCE LAST YEAR iMo...this is coming from someone who used to follow MMA almost as closely as Boxing up until their shenanigans in 2007.....

Regardless of bullshit numbers and trendy popularity....Boxing is CLEARLY the #1 Combat Sport again...and that's the way I like it....
BigG
The stoppage was way too early. I do think if it went on a little longer, Kimbo might've eventually got him. He was clearly rocked and his ear popped. He was hurt at that point.

Kimbo is exciting and all...but I don't think the real MMA fans take him seriously. He is a hypejob. Simple as that.
Spyder
Big George, the MMA fans took Chuck Lidell seriously.

They aren't very discerning.
The CEO
I thought the stoppage was semi-warranted......but obviously convenient to preserve Slice for a future bout(s) at the same time....

Thompson could have continued a little longer....but he WAS cockeyed on queer street with a destroyed ear....
JD
That Thompson dude got knocked out by Butterbean in less than a minute.

Oh, and we will NEVER see MMA on broadcast TV again. I am pretty sure the chick fight sealed it...Carrano mangled that other girls face, it was just so wrong.
Douchebag
Kimbo lost that fight about three different times last night. His Jui-Jitzu has got to be at least world class for him to compete in MMA and it is no where near that right now. I'm a Kimbo fan and I don't like hype machine behind him right now. I don't care what any of the politically correct posters say that fight was FIXED.
Mean Mister Mustard
I thought it wa an entertaining evening overall. The stoppage was a bit premature and I agree that the powers that were worried that Kimbo was going to get gassed again like against Gannon.

Then again every time Kimbo landed something the other looked like he was ready to go, so the stoppage can be justified.
AKay
Kimbo definately did not look impressive in the fight and in fact some would say he looked "garbage" and agree with Conscience that he lost 3 times....
In fact alot of folks were saying he tapped out.
And against this opponent that he should have taken out in under a minute, he looked terrible.

Butterbean and Brett rogers both knocked this guy out in the first round.
Mean Mister Mustard
By the way, after the New Mexico guy beat Baroni, did anyone else hear Shaw tell him something along the lines: When they ask you who you want to fight next...

I couldn't hear what came after that but O'l Gary was probably telling him to do the Don King fighter routine.

Announcer- Who do you want to fight next?

Fighter- Whoever my promoter puts in front of me, I'll fight anyone, anytime anywhere.

BigG
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BTW, did anyone else see Kimbo tap in round 1? I thought he did at one point when Thompson had him in the chokehold.
JD
I think he was waving the ref away.
The CEO
I thought he gave a "thumbs up" sign when he was in the guillotine...I didn't see him tap Thompson's leg....but I DID see the strange cut away scene when Thompson had Slice in trouble against the cage...then they cut back, and Kimbo was out of trouble.......
BigG
http://youtube.com/watch?v=z0jn8X0rDsQ&feature=related

Yeah....I thought it looked like a tap at first but I guess he waving the referee away.
Method
I forgo about that chick fight. That was actually pretty sweet. That Gina chick is kinda hot, in a wierd way. I would hate fuck her...you know, like wrestle w her in bed for domination.
MarzB
I saw it last night and while I believe the stoppage is way to premature, it proved what I always thought of most MMA fighters anyways. They're punching/boxing skills are schit.

Mind you I'm not an MMA fan and I really despise the KIMBO SLICE phenomenon (street fights with overmatched competition filmed broadcast on the internet where dumbass 15-30 year olds that don't know what fighting is, clinging on like this dude is some killer). My issue isn't with Kimbo personally, we'll yes it is. In the guys "street fights" he was boxing right? So if he's so 'bad', get in with a boxer.

Oh he did thats right, Ray Mercer and why Ray agreed to something with MMA rules is BEYOND me but Kimbo built a rep on punching and took ol man Ray to the ground (smirk) got it.

Ok, so he's got some training, working with real trainers and guess what? His stamina is still SHIT and while his punching game was much better than that guy from last night (had no idea that guy lost to Butterbean, my god) I'm sure MMA guys are salivating to get at this total HYPE JOB.

I didn't see the entire card to evaluate the CBS production but it was good to see some form of a combat sport on network TV even if its MMA>

The people or whatever one of those MMA orgs thats behind Kimbo will continue to put fodder in front him to milk his popularity. Good for him that he's making "real" money for now and doesn't have to kiss those porn dudes asses. But he KNOWS he's got a lot of work to do.
Spyder
Buttebean v Thompson

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Jack 1000
I didn't see it,

But glad that it bombed. This shows that boxing and MMA must be kept as separate and distinct sports.

Jack
Romulus9
A couple of notes:

I love Gina Carano. A lot.

A lot.

She's hot and she can beat the absolute hell out of her opponents.


Kimbo is a brawler, famous because of the internet. He's interesting to watch and people will flock to it. It's not the same level as Tyson but people will watch for the same reason.

Boxing is still superior.

Gina is hot.

Thank you.
AussieLad
Generally the UFC and WEC fight cards are far superior than at least 90% of the garbage thats been aired with boxing over the last decade. Cant speak for EliteXC because i dont watch it, seems like its the runt of the litter?

Not knocking boxing itself because i love the sport, but the decent MMA organisations would have to put on a long line of really shitty fight cards before they sink as low as boxing has

The UFC is doing a great job at marketing its fighters as well
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jun 1 2008, 02:34 PM) [snapback]391016[/snapback]
Big George, the MMA fans took Chuck Lidell seriously.

They aren't very discerning.



That is not quite true. Chuck could at least knock out his opponent convincingly & fought all comers.

What is your take on Randy C because I think he is a ATG yet Chuck beat him twice. I would not be so hard on Chuck as it is not his fault he was promoted the way he was.
Fitz
I would do Gina without a second though, but don't know if she is hot.

She has weight problems and trying her absolute hardest, she can't make 140. That's a pretty big girl, and even if you doubt that. Look no further than her cankles.
Spyder
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Jun 1 2008, 06:59 PM) [snapback]391103[/snapback]
That is not quite true. Chuck could at least knock out his opponent convincingly & fought all comers.

What is your take on Randy C because I think he is a ATG yet Chuck beat him twice. I would not be so hard on Chuck as it is not his fault he was promoted the way he was.

Dude, Chuck wouldn't know a straight punch if it hit him in the face...actually, he could probably tell you about Rampage's.

Here's the thing... Chuck Lidell is considered a striker in MMA, and the dude doesn't even know how to throw a punch. Yet to most of the UFC fans he's a redneck superhero, how can you explain that? Wait...I'll tell you. The UFC fans like flash and hype more than talent. Think NASCAR...

BTW, I think that Randy was great and got served up to Dana White's boy with clever matchmaking.
Warlord
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jun 1 2008, 09:34 AM) [snapback]391016[/snapback]
Big George, the MMA fans took Chuck Lidell seriously.

They aren't very discerning.

"MMA Fans" didn't take Chuck Liddell seriously. UFC jizz-lickers did. True MMA fans always knew what the deal was, and still do.

Anyone who wants to get into MMA... please... go watch BJ Penn, Anderson Silva, Rampage Jackson, or Wanderlei Silva do their thing in UFC. Or catch WEC's Pulver vs. Faber match this weekend on Versus. Stay away from this shit.

EliteXC is a garbage oprganization being backed by boxing promotors who don't know shit about the sport. They don't have any business being in MMA, and you don't have any business watching them. It'd be like me watching a fight for the NABF championship of the world on ESPN between Cliff Couser and Malcomn Tann, and then commenting about how shitty boxing is, and how boxing as a sport is a joke.
Spyder
Whether the EliteXC is garbage or not, they made it to network TV and Joe Public was talking about it today. They have NO IDEA that the fighters are trash...actually, I don't think they care. They like blood and guts, flash and hype. They enjoyed the show and didn't even know that it wasn't UFC. In fact, many of them asked if UFC changed its name.

This is the mentality of MMA's core audience...the same group that watches NASCAR, and other sports only when they're in the playoffs. They watch LOST, 24, Survivor, Big Brother, Prison Break, and whatever else is popular at the moment. They go to YouTube and Break.com and EbaumsWorld. They like the quick fix. I know it sounds like I'm hating, but honestly that's just the reality of pop culture.

Another reality of pop culture is that it works in fads, and trends. MMA is IN right now. It's what the "cool kids" are talking about. It's what's poppin on the streets...unfortunately for the fighters, that shit is gonna meet the same fate as the suede Puma. I just hope that the actual talent can make as much money as possible while it's still around.
BGv2.0
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jun 1 2008, 11:49 PM) [snapback]391138[/snapback]
that shit is gonna meet the same fate as the suede Puma.



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I've NEVER been a huge fan of any kind of MMA.....most likley because my first exposure was the wild, wild, west anything goes cards of the first 3 UFC cards....many, many, many years ago. I've never cared for it.....I do think as a legit sport....it is miles ahead of where it started all those years ago.

But what people have to understand is that NO SPORT.....from MMA to Boxing to football and everything inbetween is safe from turning to utter shit. The networks and corporations are what are ruining just about every sport out there.

This only reason this card even aired is due to CBS and Showtime being owned by the same company (Viacom I think...not sure though) and EXC is losing money like a faucet left on. Did you notice all the Showtime commercials at the bottom of the screen? I HIGHLY doubt CBS will be bringing this back.

ANYTIME you have bullshit money mongers in there of the sleezy no shame sort.....you can be sure....it will not have a long shelf life. First of all....lets get serious here....this is not simply 2 guys hitting one another like boxing.....they are kicking, choking and slamming the hell out of each other as well. This is not somethng easy to sell the American buying prime time public.....it IS withoiut boubt on the surface much more brutal than classic boxing, and lacks the personality and comedic aspects of "pro" wrestling.

KNOWING all of this.....why would a network lower the sleeze bar with the whoreish cheerleaders. That is ALWAYS a key I look for when a new show of this type is put out there on display. Kushner did the SAME lAME shit with Thuderbox...which also fell on it's face.

Most American moms will draw the line at sex AND violence.....for sure sex. So...leave the gyrating hoes at tha club! lol

IMHO.....MMA is so manufactured is not even funny. All these guys come out as if there is a factory churning out quality talent....which is total horse shit!

The sad part is, is that Boxing is no longer above this either. Here you have World Champions like PBF getting involved with bullshit like dancing with the Stars and WWE.....it just gives the idea off...that boxing "champions" will sell out to anything.

AND...all of this is to please the masses......not the fans. The general buying public. I totally agree with whoever said above that the show last night was made for general consumption by the same people who buy into reality tv and all of the other TOTAL HORSE SHIT that has plauged EVERY F'N facet of entertainment for about 6-7 years now.

Televison, movies, music...and even sports are at an all time low! And it's due to corporate whoring.....





Warlord
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jun 1 2008, 11:49 PM) [snapback]391138[/snapback]
Whether the EliteXC is garbage or not, they made it to network TV and Joe Public was talking about it today. They have NO IDEA that the fighters are trash...actually, I don't think they care. They like blood and guts, flash and hype. They enjoyed the show and didn't even know that it wasn't UFC. In fact, many of them asked if UFC changed its name.

This is the mentality of MMA's core audience...the same group that watches NASCAR, and other sports only when they're in the playoffs. They watch LOST, 24, Survivor, Big Brother, Prison Break, and whatever else is popular at the moment. They go to YouTube and Break.com and EbaumsWorld. They like the quick fix. I know it sounds like I'm hating, but honestly that's just the reality of pop culture.

Another reality of pop culture is that it works in fads, and trends. MMA is IN right now. It's what the "cool kids" are talking about. It's what's poppin on the streets...unfortunately for the fighters, that shit is gonna meet the same fate as the suede Puma. I just hope that the actual talent can make as much money as possible while it's still around.

Stop being an ignorant wretch. MMA's "core audience" is not the same group that watches American Idol and NASCAR anymore than boxing's "core audience" is. The same idiots you are referring to are the same idiots who are checking out PBF vs. De La Hoya or Tyson vs. Lewis and thinking Tyson was still the same badass that was killing guys in the 80s.

Moreso, MMA's critics are the same dumbasses who watch one EliteXC event on CBS and then write a post talking about how dumb MMA fans are. You don't know shit about MMA. If you did, you'd know something else besides Chuck Liddell and Kimbo Slice. You're the same kool-aid drinking scumbag that you accuse MMA's "core audience" of being, because you make snap judgement calls based on nothing but your own ignorance.

If you knew half of what you though you did, you'd mention Pride or Dream in Japan, K-1: Heros in South Korea, The Art of War in China, or any of the countless other MMA organizations in the states NOT named UFC.

Just because you're an ignorant dumbass having conversations with other, equally-as-ignorant dumbasses doesn't make you an expert. And it doesn't make you above them. I can sit down with Tractor Joe Smith or Shirtless Bill at Hooters and he'll know nothing more about MMA than he does boxing. He's just there for the beer and the tits, and hoping to see a KO. He's not any indication of what MMA's core audience is any more than he is for boxing's "core audience."

Now grow up and chill out with the blanket stereotype comparisons, cool guy, because you're impressing no one.
Spyder
Someone has a sandy vagina... friends.gif

Dude, your immaturity is painfully evident when you get bent out of shape anytime someone has a different view than you. Not to mention that rather than defending your side with good points, you are reduced to name calling and throw a temper tantrum. With your little tirade, do you think that you convinced a single person in this thread that what I said was NOT true?

You might have done exactly the opposite. Thanks for the reinforcement.

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Hodge
I like pretty much all combat sports and have to say that MMA whether it's UFC, EliteXC, WEC, IFL or Smackgirl Japan, it is getting watered down. They just throw out names like they're superstars and we're supposed to feed into this crap. In boxing, you're going to have one known fighter against regular joes, but UFC markets all of their fighters as if they are monsters. The Pulver/ Faber match was alright, but there was one guy that was in way over his head, because he was way past his prime. As for the Kimbo stoppage, i'll equate that one to Lewis/ Klitchsko. Vitali was beating that ass, but half of his face was falling off so they stopped it. Thompson was catching some heavy blows and his ear was busted, but I think they should have gave him a few more seconds. You would never see something like that in a Nogueira fight. Anyways, the chicks stole the show. The Robbie Lawler fight was starting to warm up when the doctor stopped it. Overall, it was just another MMA card.
flazi
WEC is the shit too me. I love their matchups. Their sunday matches were all action. Elite is new to the business so its gonna experience some growing pains especially since the owner comes from a boxing background. UFC is good but i think their focus should be more on marketing their fighters instead of Dana white.
Another thing, why is it that people want to compare mma and boxing? They can copromote each other succesfully. Have boxers present at special mma fights and vice versa. I don't know why one sport hates the other. Its like football hating basketball, its stupid. They both can learn a lot from each other so that each can be successful in the long term cause neither sport is going to disappear.
Bhopreign
I really didnt have a problem with the stoppage at first, it just looked like a bad stoppage because the turnaround was so quick and Kimbo was losing the majority of the fight. The guy came in with a cauliflower ear, maybe he was born like that, not sure, but I dont think most casual fans will object too much because they arnt used to seeing cauliflower ears with blood running down them, heck you hardly see it in boxing. But I do think the general public with see that Kimbo is very beatable when it comes to the ground game. He has a pretty good hand game when it comes to MMA and heavyweights I think, not great but good.
Chillmatic
I'm not an MMA fan, so my perspective may be a bit limited on this subject. What I can tell you is that the only reason I had tuned in was because of Kimbo Slice. I didn't know anyone on the under card and wasn't much impressed to begin with.

What I can tell you is that the conclusion was anticlimactic and left me wanting more. I didn't feel that the end result answered any questions as to who was the superior fighter. You don't need me to tell you that Thompson was better on the ground whereas Kimbo had the edge in striking. Given what we've come to expect and the hype surrounding the event, it didn't live up to expectations.

That said, the man's ear was falling off. It was bleeding profusely and Kimbo was beginning to target the ear. With as big a puncher as Slice is, did you really need him to land another punch on that ear?

Slice is a sort of poor man's Tyson, an intimidating ex-con with street appeal. He makes you tune in to see what he's going to do next. He can't grapple for his life and doesn't have any stamina, but you want to see what he does next.
Boxingjunkie
UFC was great in the beginning but like everyone else thinks its just getting watered down. The thing about MMA is its the latest and greatest. People from all walks of life like it just as boxing has all different types of fans. They have MMA organizations popping up just about every month. Thats the problem. There are so many organizations that people cant keep track of who the champs are just like in boxing. The UFC has serious problems right now with all the fighters avoiding them like a young Tyson. One more thing. Only in MMA can a fighter have 10 fights and be considered a legend!!!
Chillmatic
QUOTE(Boxingjunkie @ Jun 2 2008, 08:22 PM) [snapback]391210[/snapback]
UFC was great in the beginning but like everyone else thinks its just getting watered down. The thing about MMA is its the latest and greatest. People from all walks of life like it just as boxing has all different types of fans. They have MMA organizations popping up just about every month. Thats the problem. There are so many organizations that people cant keep track of who the champs are just like in boxing. The UFC has serious problems right now with all the fighters avoiding them like a young Tyson. One more thing. Only in MMA can a fighter have 10 fights and be considered a legend!!!


It's similar to boxing's problems with sanctioning bodies. There are too many champions to follow in boxing and too many organizations in MMA.
BrutalBodyShots
Sunday's VS card was pretty damn entertaining. The undercard had a few really good matchups.

KingEugene
Aight folks lets look at this realistically. Everyone knows Kimbo doesnt have the best stamina and we all know he isnt the best MMA fighter out there. He and we both knew his ground game wasnt up to par. He even said he wanted to go into that fight and test his ground game. Did he get the answer he was looking for. I surely hope so. But all in all he was losing the fight on the ground but when they was standing up and was whooping buddy ass. Everybody seen that. You can say the fight was fixed all you want but about 2 or 3 more blows buddy was about to hit the canvas. You see how he hit the fence like he had no more legs. Say what you but we all know if Kimbo would have stuck to his usual game plan and kept the fight on his feet....buddy would have been done. I AM A BIG KIMBO FAN but I do realize that he is a rookie in this game (MMA) and there are a lot more skillful guys out there than him. But if he would have started when they did it would be a totally different story. People have this big expectation for him to come in and take over when we all know it aint going to happen like that. Just watch him fight, enjoy the entertainment, and embrace it while it last (cause we know fighting like that it wont last long).


STILL A KIMBO FAN
KingEugene
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jun 1 2008, 10:39 AM) [snapback]391019[/snapback]
Kimbo lost that fight about three different times last night. His Jui-Jitzu has got to be at least world class for him to compete in MMA and it is no where near that right now. I'm a Kimbo fan and I don't like hype machine behind him right now. I don't care what any of the politically correct posters say that fight was FIXED.



I strongly disagree. He was losing which was clear to see but once he started landing some good blows in the third buddy was about to go. Stopped early, maybe but a stoppage was coming per KIMBO victory.
imperial
Kimbo is a few fights away from being exposed ..He is still a baby in the game and give him respect because he even knows it ..But I have to agree if they continue with the BS stops it wil give it the same black eye that boxing has !All in all the card was action packed I was a bit disapointed in the stoppage of the Lawler fight but again hopefully this doesn't continue ..
KingEugene
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Jun 1 2008, 11:04 AM) [snapback]391033[/snapback]
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BTW, did anyone else see Kimbo tap in round 1? I thought he did at one point when Thompson had him in the chokehold.



He didnt tap, he gave the thumbs up saying he was ok. He actually did that more than once.
KingEugene
QUOTE(Fitz @ Jun 1 2008, 09:53 PM) [snapback]391113[/snapback]
I would do Gina without a second though, but don't know if she is hot.

She has weight problems and trying her absolute hardest, she can't make 140. That's a pretty big girl, and even if you doubt that. Look no further than her cankles.



140...big? What in the hell? You must like tooth pick women then huh? I'm 5'10 190 and I'm fit and I like my women 140 and up that works out as well. She looked damn good to me. I mean she isnt a dime but she aint far from it either.
KingEugene
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jun 1 2008, 11:02 PM) [snapback]391122[/snapback]
Dude, Chuck wouldn't know a straight punch if it hit him in the face...actually, he could probably tell you about Rampage's.

Here's the thing... Chuck Lidell is considered a striker in MMA, and the dude doesn't even know how to throw a punch. Yet to most of the UFC fans he's a redneck superhero, how can you explain that? Wait...I'll tell you. The UFC fans like flash and hype more than talent. Think NASCAR...

BTW, I think that Randy was great and got served up to Dana White's boy with clever matchmaking.



He dont know a straight punch? Ah did you not see the first Ortiz fight? The punch that dropped him was a straight right.
D-MARV
Shouldn't this thread be in the MMA Forum?
Fitz
QUOTE(KingEugene @ Jun 3 2008, 11:36 AM) [snapback]391234[/snapback]
140...big? What in the hell? You must like tooth pick women then huh? I'm 5'10 190 and I'm fit and I like my women 140 and up that works out as well. She looked damn good to me. I mean she isnt a dime but she aint far from it either.


I was exaggerating. But 140 isn't small, that's like 63kgs. Considering that she isn't just 140, that's her trying her extreme hardest and still not able to make weight. 140 wouldn't even be her natural weight, either way. She is big compared to the average girl.
Just look at her cankles.



She isn't bad, and I wouldn't think twice. Just doesn't deserve any 'hot' tag IMO.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(Warlord @ Jun 2 2008, 02:22 AM) [snapback]391146[/snapback]
Stop being an ignorant wretch. MMA's "core audience" is not the same group that watches American Idol and NASCAR anymore than boxing's "core audience" is. The same idiots you are referring to are the same idiots who are checking out PBF vs. De La Hoya or Tyson vs. Lewis and thinking Tyson was still the same badass that was killing guys in the 80s.

Moreso, MMA's critics are the same dumbasses who watch one EliteXC event on CBS and then write a post talking about how dumb MMA fans are. You don't know shit about MMA. If you did, you'd know something else besides Chuck Liddell and Kimbo Slice. You're the same kool-aid drinking scumbag that you accuse MMA's "core audience" of being, because you make snap judgement calls based on nothing but your own ignorance.

If you knew half of what you though you did, you'd mention Pride or Dream in Japan, K-1: Heros in South Korea, The Art of War in China, or any of the countless other MMA organizations in the states NOT named UFC.

Just because you're an ignorant dumbass having conversations with other, equally-as-ignorant dumbasses doesn't make you an expert. And it doesn't make you above them. I can sit down with Tractor Joe Smith or Shirtless Bill at Hooters and he'll know nothing more about MMA than he does boxing. He's just there for the beer and the tits, and hoping to see a KO. He's not any indication of what MMA's core audience is any more than he is for boxing's "core audience."

Now grow up and chill out with the blanket stereotype comparisons, cool guy, because you're impressing no one.


I do believe MMA's core audience are the same people that have made that Spike TV show so damn popular, and the UFC PPV's so big, and managed to get a Kimbo Slice show on CBS. We're not talking about worldwide here buddy, UFC=MMA in the States, and we all know who the UFC fans are. There's a reason why they show the K-1 tournament on ESPN2 at 3:00 AM on a sunday, and UFC gets PPV's. So, yes, the core American audience and fans are Tractor Joe Smith and Shirtless Bill becuase all they have is UFC.

And as for the countless MMA organizations in America, they must have gigantic fan bases, becuase they are all over TV and getting media coverage abound.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(Spyder @ Jun 2 2008, 12:49 AM) [snapback]391138[/snapback]
Another reality of pop culture is that it works in fads, and trends. MMA is IN right now. It's what the "cool kids" are talking about. It's what's poppin on the streets...unfortunately for the fighters, that shit is gonna meet the same fate as the suede Puma. I just hope that the actual talent can make as much money as possible while it's still around.

I did not know suede Puma's weren't cool anymore.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(Boxingjunkie @ Jun 2 2008, 08:22 PM) [snapback]391210[/snapback]
Only in MMA can a fighter have 10 fights and be considered a legend!!!

A truer statement has never been uttered.
D-MARV
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Jun 2 2008, 10:07 PM) [snapback]391245[/snapback]
A truer statement has never been uttered.

And I second that notion
Warlord
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Jun 2 2008, 09:04 PM) [snapback]391243[/snapback]
I do believe MMA's core audience are the same people that have made that Spike TV show so damn popular, and the UFC PPV's so big, and managed to get a Kimbo Slice show on CBS. We're not talking about worldwide here buddy, UFC=MMA in the States, and we all know who the UFC fans are. There's a reason why they show the K-1 tournament on ESPN2 at 3:00 AM on a sunday, and UFC gets PPV's. So, yes, the core American audience and fans are Tractor Joe Smith and Shirtless Bill becuase all they have is UFC.

And as for the countless MMA organizations in America, they must have gigantic fan bases, becuase they are all over TV and getting media coverage abound.

If you or your roommate want to narrow the fanbase down to those bandwagon fans in the U.S., then make it clear. Don't lump them all together into one generalized group. But don't forget this is the same "fanbase" that makes De La Hoya/PBF one of the most watched mismatches in the world. It's the same fanbase that watches one football game a year, watches baseball once a year, watches the NBA once a year, and tunes into ESPN every Sunday night to watch NASCAR highlights, and then proclaim Dale Earnhardt Jr. to be the greatest driver in the world today.

But don't sit here and honestly act like this fanbase is ONLY a part of MMA, and that boxing and every other sport is somehow immuned to bullshit fans. When the biggest stars of your sport over the last 30 years were/are a convicted rapist (Tyson) and a drag queen (Gay La Hoya), don't fucking sit here and act like your "fans" are somehow superior. Its fucking laughable.

The American audience in general is fucked. That I agree on. What I don't agree on is saying MMA fans in general are like this. They aren't. There are many intelligent MMA fans all over the world. Just because they aren't all posting on fighthype's forums doesn't mean they don't exist. And it just sticks in my craw when an ignorant asshole like your roommate deigns to speak as if he knew what it was he was talking about.
Warlord
QUOTE(Boxingjunkie @ Jun 2 2008, 07:22 PM) [snapback]391210[/snapback]
Only in MMA can a fighter have 10 fights and be considered a legend!!!

Name one fighter with only 10 fights who is a "legend."
Boxingjunkie
I never understood why Kimbo went into MMA anyway. Obviously he has no MMA experience and not enough time to learn it well. Why did Gary Shaw not throw him into the heavyweight division and make a splash there. He obviously knows how to stand and fight why not boxing??
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