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Hatton camp says timing wrong for fight with De La Hoya
Associated Press

"It would be too soon, Richard only fought two weeks ago," Ray Hatton, the boxing champion's father and manager, told British Broadcasting Corp. Sport. "Oscar likes to fight in September because of Mexican Independence Day, but Richard is chilling out at the moment."

Hatton outpointeed Juan Lazcano on May 24 to retain the Ring magazine junior welterweight title and has an agreement in place for a fall fight against titleholder Paulie Malignaggi.

De La Hoya's scheduled Sept. 20 bout against Floyd Mayweather was canceled after Mayweather retired last week.

However, Hatton is hoping Mayweather will come out of retirement because he wants a chance to avenge a loss last December in a WBC welterweight title match. It was Hatton's first loss in 44 fights.

"Obviously, Richard would have liked to have gone over that ground again because he thinks he never gave it his best shot in the first fight," Ray Hatton said. "And you can never say never with Floyd, maybe if the money was there in 12 months he would change his mind."


Hahaha...I called it...I told Franklin McNeil that Oscar would go after Hatton first...I should have bet him when I had the chance.

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Anyway, obviously the left hook that Mayweather floored Hatton with did a lot more damage than we initially thought.

Negotiating ploy or not, Hatton would be a FOOL not to take a fight with De La Hoya.

It's a win-win-WIN for him. First of all, it's the most money he'll EVER make in boxing...PERIOD! Second, even if he were to catch a beatdown (which isn't an automatic given the way that Forbes touched Oscar's face up), he'd be losing to a much, much bigger man...no shame in that at all.
Col Reb
Anyone know what was said in Dan Rafael's blog?
FenderDG3
QUOTE(Col Reb @ Jun 10 2008, 04:36 PM) [snapback]392097[/snapback]
Anyone know what was said in Dan Rafael's blog?


De La Hoya sweepstakes kick off posted: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 | By: Dan Rafael

The most immediate fallout from Floyd Mayweather's sudden retirement on Friday involves Oscar De La Hoya. The Golden Boy was supposed to fight him in a Sept. 20 rematch, but now that's out and De La Hoya is scrambling for a new opponent.

Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer is working on signing an opponent, despite being laid up with the flu this week. So, while the situation is playing out, let's take a look at the field of fighters in the running in what I believe is the order of likelihood:

Ricky Hatton: It's by far the biggest money fight of those that are realistic for De La Hoya. It's a cinch hit on HBO PPV, would receive the most mainstream media attention, would do massive money in the United Kingdom and would undoubtedly receive HBO's "24/7" treatment (they both starred in "24/7" series last year before their fights with Mayweather). And just imagine if Golden Boy Promotions decided to stage it in England. Pay-per-views normally don't take place overseas because of the notion that if it's out of the country, it will lose a certain amount of American business. But if the fight was held at a place like Wembley Stadium, the gate would be so enormous that it could potentially make up for whatever shortfall there might be in American PPV business. The fight might draw 100,000 people in England, not to mention huge PPV business in both countries. It's a PPV that would easily exceed 1 million buys in America alone.

It's also a fairly easy fight to make because Hatton recently signed with Golden Boy. However, there's one hitch: Hatton has a signed contract to face Paulie Malignaggi in the fall. I called Malignaggi promoter Lou DiBella the other day to ask about the status of his contract. He said it's "a signed, ironclad deal." Then I asked whether he and Malignaggi might step aside for the right payout. DiBella's response: "Richard has my number." The point is that De La Hoya-Hatton is a potential $100 million-plus grossing fight. Golden Boy surely could find a few bucks to induce Malignaggi and DiBella to get out of the way of this juggernaut fight.

Oh, and by the way, let's set aside Hatton's supposed dismissal of the fight as nothing more than a negotiating ploy.

Sergio Mora: The first-season winner of "The Contender" reality series put himself squarely in the sweepstakes with a stunning upset victory against Vernon Forrest on Saturday night to win a junior middleweight title. The win gave Mora serious credibility. Moreover, he and De La Hoya are both Los Angeles-born and bred and the fight would pack the Staples Center. It would give De La Hoya a chance to win yet another belt, which would be the cherry on top of his Hall of Fame-worthy career. And don't underestimate this factor: "Contender" promoter Jeff Wald really wants to make the fight and he can be awfully persuasive, not to mention the fact that he and Schaefer have done good business together in the past (like De La Hoya versus Steve Forbes last month) and they have a very good relationship. Bottom line: If De La Hoya wants the fight, it could be made in five minutes and time is of the essence.

What an interesting promotion it would be. Who in a gazillion years would have thought that "The Contender" winner would enter a fight as a champion and De La Hoya, the 10-time champion in six divisions, would in essence be the contender?

Manny Pacquiao: Some will laugh and say this isn't a realistic match because of the size difference. But you know what? They would be wrong. The fight is entirely possible and I am told that it's a fight that De La Hoya is interested in. Obviously, Pacquiao would have to beat David Diaz June 28 for a lightweight belt and look good doing it. I'm not sure De La Hoya wants to wait that long to set his fight, particularly because it's no lock that Pacquiao beats Diaz. But the Pacquiao side would take the fight in a heartbeat. Back in October, when I first wrote a blog detailing my conversation with HBO's Larry Merchant, who conceived the fight, I called Pacquiao promoter Bob Arum of Top Rank for his thoughts on Merchant's fantasy. Here's what he said back then: "We'll take it. I don't even have to call Manny. I am sure he would accept the challenge without question."

I asked Arum about it again last weekend when I was with him in Atlantic City covering Kelly Pavlik's fight. Again, Arum said they'd be interested. He and Pacquiao know it's a huge money fight. If it happened and Pacquiao lost, he could easily retreat to the lightweight division and go about his business.

Let's not forget about a couple of interesting subplots: De La Hoya would be going against his former trainer, Freddie Roach. And who can forget that De La Hoya once signed Pacquiao with a briefcase of cash in the backseat of a limo at LAX in the move that led to all-out war between Top Rank and Golden Boy. I say if this fight does happen, the winner's purse should be paid in cash in a briefcase in the ring after the match.

Felix Trinidad: It is the one fight De La Hoya has always said he wants more than any other. He threw away their 1999 mega fight when he ran for the final three rounds, believing he had the fight in the bag. To a degree, fairly or unfairly, those last three rounds define De La Hoya's career to some and he would love a chance to set the record straight. They've talked about a rematch seemingly forever, but it's a long shot for two reasons:

1.Trinidad and promoter Don King have always insisted on a 60-40 split of revenue in their favor -- a flip of the terms they gave De La Hoya for the first fight. They have always stubbornly insisted that because they won the first fight, they should have the favorable terms in a rematch. De La Hoya will never, ever take the short end of the stick in any fight, nor should he.

2. Weight. Trinidad could never come down to 154, or even 160. He struggled to make 170 for his January loss to Roy Jones. Maybe, just maybe, he'd be willing to make 168 or even 165. De La Hoya would be at a massive disadvantage if he went up that high. Remember how awful he looked at 160 pounds? De La Hoya should not fight above junior middleweight and he knows it. This fight is a huge long shot.

The winner of Miguel Cotto-Antonio Margarito: Competitively and actionwise it's the best of the bunch, but it's not realistic, and it's not because De La Hoya is looking to duck anyone. Cotto and Margarito square off in the summer's most anticipated fight July 26. The turnaround to Sept. 20 is simply too short of a window for the winner to adequately recover from what will undoubtedly be a grueling fight and then train for Sept. 20. And don't forget that any big PPV fight typically needs 90 days to properly promote it. There's just not enough time for this one to happen in September, although if De La Hoya moved his fight to a later date it could be more realistic.

Shane Mosley: Mosley owns two wins over De La Hoya, one clear decision and a controversial decision in the rematch. Although both men are highly competitive and would give their all in the ring against each other, it's simply not a credible fight given their business and personal relationship. Their friendship has grown over the years and Mosley is De La Hoya's business partner as a part-owner of Golden Boy Promotions. I also get the feeling that they don't really want to fight each other again. I also don't think either wants to deal with the tremendous amount of negative publicity that would be generated by stories about Mosley's admitted steroid use (he says it was done unknowingly) before the second fight. Forget about this one.

Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.: De La Hoya beat Julio Cesar Chavez Sr., the Mexican icon, twice. Fighting his son would be the biggest revenge match you could possibly make. But it's just not ripe yet. Chavez Jr. has virtually no recognition among non-Hispanic fans and has not faced a single credible opponent to warrant a fight with De La Hoya. This one is a nonstarter for September, but I could definitely see De La Hoya wrapping up his career next May against Chavez Jr. on Cinco De Mayo weekend. It would be a gargantuan fight. Arum, who promotes Chavez Jr. and promoted De La Hoya for most of his career, loves the idea and insisted to me that Chavez Jr. would knock De La Hoya out. Let's not get carried away, Bob! That said, I'd like to see this fight before De La Hoya retires. It's just not going to happen in September.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Apparantly Dan Rafael doesn't think Winky Wright should be on the list. A Winky Wright fight wouldn't be hard to make, since Wright has been screaming his name for years now it seems. De La Hoya always has good numbers no matter who he fights, so that wouldn't be a concern at all. I know the fight probably won't happen, but if Hatton doesn't take the fight, Mora doesn't come through, and when Chavez Jr. loses to Vanda then that makes the fight a reality. Pacquaio won't take that fight, and the winner of Cotto-Margarito will be too banged up.
FenderDG3
QUOTE(KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN @ Jun 10 2008, 07:43 PM) [snapback]392128[/snapback]
Apparantly Dan Rafael doesn't think Winky Wright should be on the list. A Winky Wright fight wouldn't be hard to make, since Wright has been screaming his name for years now it seems. De La Hoya always has good numbers no matter who he fights, so that wouldn't be a concern at all. I know the fight probably won't happen, but if Hatton doesn't take the fight, Mora doesn't come through, and when Chavez Jr. loses to Vanda then that makes the fight a reality. Pacquaio won't take that fight, and the winner of Cotto-Margarito will be too banged up.


Somebody was saying on the DLH thread that Floyd Sr. said in an interview that there was no way in hell that Winky was getting the fight.
KingEugene
I agree, the winner of Cotto/Margorita will be too banged up and I thinky Manny is just too small. The only thing he'll have in the ring is heart cause he wont have anything else. Face it...he's just too small. If Winky doesnt get the fight which I wish to God that he does I'd like to see him fight Mora. If Zab wasnt fighting I'd like to see that fight too but we all know that isnt happening.
Col Reb
IF Pac were to do the unthinkable and beat DLH, how would that affect Pac's all-time status, considering he started at 108?
AussieLad
Hatton is a moron if he doesnt take the oscar fight dntknw.gif . A chance like this doesnt come around all that often, and given oscars performance against forbes, and the fact that hatton is already in shape and hesnt had a chance to balloon up like a tire thats been left for too long on an industrial air compressor... he is a good spot to close out his career against the biggest name in boxing
D-MARV
QUOTE(Col Reb @ Jun 11 2008, 12:18 AM) [snapback]392159[/snapback]
IF Pac were to do the unthinkable and beat DLH, how would that affect Pac's all-time status, considering he started at 108?

"IF" that happen I would assume he would be mentioned with the All Time Greats!
BigG
DLH Pac is never happening. 140 is the highest Pac will go and he will lose to Fatton
Douchebag
I'm going piss some people off when I say this but.......................Hatton and his people are just living up to the bitchassness of alot of those European boxers. IMO I really can't say that this surprises me.
ROLL DEEP
Wouldn't really say that Hatton is a bitch.

He's moved up in weight, went over to you guys in the States to fight and fought the p4p best in the world....not really the actions of a 'bitch'.


If he were a bitch, he would've stayed in the UK...at his weight....fighting some bum for the WBU title against some 14-3 fighter on a Frank Warren card.
Douchebag
QUOTE(ROLL DEEP @ Jun 11 2008, 11:53 AM) [snapback]392198[/snapback]
Wouldn't really say that Hatton is a bitch.

He's moved up in weight, went over to you guys in the States to fight and fought the p4p best in the world....not really the actions of a 'bitch'.
If he were a bitch, he would've stayed in the UK...at his weight....fighting some bum for the WBU title against some 14-3 fighter on a Frank Warren card.



Meh............to me it's all relative he took the PBF because he actually thought he could win that fight. Now that he knows that he can be KOed by a left hook, my personal opinion is that he or his people is a little nervous about stepping in the ring with a guy that is almost 20 pounds heavier and still possesses one of the most accurate and powerful left hooks in boxing.
rusty_trombone
Seriously, when did it become En Vogue to win the lottery and tear up the fucking ticket? First Floyd, now Hatton? Apparently people have started to decide they don't need an extra 20 million in their pockets? If he's still looking for an opponent, my long standing challenge still stands. Anytime, anywhere, for any split.
Mean Mister Mustard
Buisness wise it makes sense for Hatton to take the fight. But he'd get beat up and beat up BAD. Mayweather and Lazcano tagged him with left hooks coming in, Collazo with right hooks, imagine what a big guy who has a GREAT lefthook will do. In this case BITCHASSNESS is the way to go.
thehype
I'll take a good ass whoopin' for 15-20 million.

LOL
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE(thehype @ Jun 11 2008, 03:31 PM) [snapback]392245[/snapback]
I'll take a good ass whoopin' for 15-20 million.

LOL


I'd take one for a couple of thousand.
Douchebag
QUOTE(thehype @ Jun 11 2008, 04:31 PM) [snapback]392245[/snapback]
I'll take a good ass whoopin' for 15-20 million.

LOL



I would too. In a heartbeat. That shit would look like Tyson-McNeely 2. LOL
U.S. Champ
QUOTE(Mean Mister Mustard @ Jun 11 2008, 03:34 PM) [snapback]392246[/snapback]
I'd take one for a couple of thousand.

Give me $500 and a six pack
Mean Mister Mustard
Well it would depend on the brand of beer now wouldn't it.
dj necrogenic
QUOTE(U.S. Champ @ Jun 11 2008, 02:31 PM) [snapback]392254[/snapback]
Give me $500 and a six pack

Cmon man...thats Oscar Gay La Hota we're talking about.. Better make it at least a 36pack.. if not a keg
FenderDG3
QUOTE(Mean Mister Mustard @ Jun 11 2008, 03:15 PM) [snapback]392244[/snapback]
Buisness wise it makes sense for Hatton to take the fight. But he'd get beat up and beat up BAD. Mayweather and Lazcano tagged him with left hooks coming in, Collazo with right hooks, imagine what a big guy who has a GREAT lefthook will do. In this case BITCHASSNESS is the way to go.


It would look a lot like the vicious left hook DLH landed on Mayorga in the first round of their fight... only Hatton doesn't get up, and as he's going down he has flashbacks of a ringpost upside the head!! laugh.gif
Mean Mister Mustard
Hatton should stay put at 140 where he already has enough contenders. He has Malignaggi, Ngoudjo, that guy who beat Witter ( forgot his name), winner of Torres-Holt 2 ( should be Holt).
D-MARV
Ill fight Oscar for some Viagra and 2 hours with Millie!
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Jun 11 2008, 07:22 PM) [snapback]392284[/snapback]
Ill fight Oscar for some Viagra and 2 hours with Millie!

you can give her what Oscar doesn't, ejaculatory sex drag.gif
KingEugene
QUOTE(thehype @ Jun 11 2008, 04:31 PM) [snapback]392245[/snapback]
I'll take a good ass whoopin' for 15-20 million.

LOL



LMAO hell me and you both.......then ask for a rematch!
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(The Conscience @ Jun 11 2008, 02:26 PM) [snapback]392183[/snapback]
I'm going piss some people off when I say this but.......................Hatton and his people are just living up to the bitchassness of alot of those European boxers. IMO I really can't say that this surprises me.




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