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The Original MrFactor
I'm predicting Clottey to win a semi tough fight. I think he'll be able to match Judah's speed. I think this ends by late stoppage or Clottey D12. Clottey will come in on fight nite well above 147. That alone should be too much for Judah..
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Judah by decision. Judah is going to be too fast for Clottey, who's been overrated ever since the Margarito fight. Clottey didn't look all that great against Shamone Alvarez and Judah even at this point has enough to outbox Clottey. Those fast hard shots will make Clottey think twice about coming in. I'd say he'd dominate, but we all know he'll lose focus somewhere in the middle rounds. He'll win a 116-112 type decision.
woooooo
Clottey in 10

Judah will try his usual 5 round routine and get steadily broken down.

Hopefully, Zab is relegated to gatekeeper status after this.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(The Original MrFactor @ Aug 1 2008, 08:47 PM) [snapback]398452[/snapback]
I'm predicting Clottey to win a semi tough fight. I think he'll be able to match Judah's speed. I think this ends by late stoppage or Clottey D12. Clottey will come in on fight nite well above 147. That alone should be too much for Judah..

I disagree about the speed factor..Zab gave Floyd some problems in the beginning of the fight because of his speed..I don't see anyone matching speed at Welterweight with Zab except for Berto..If Zab is in top shape,which it sounds like he is,I gotta go with him..Zab's uppercuts and straight left will get to Clottey early and late(if Zab can go 12)..If Zab doesn't have his stamina,Clottey will get the UD,but I'm pickin Zab by UD even though Clottey is extremely tough and strong..If Zab loses,I think it might be time to hang up the gloves even though he is still competitive early in fights..
JonnyBlaze
Zab is a amazing boxer when he boxes and also has some of the best footwork in boxing right now in my opinion..All he needs to do is be able to go 12 rounds and to never abandon his jab..If he boxes the whole fight and doesn't look for one punch,he'll look better then he has in years..I'm glad he is comin into the fight at 143 soo he'll even have more of a edge with his speed and he'll also be quicker on his feet..
D-MARV
Ill take Clottey by Close but Clear Decision!!!! Both fighters will fade late...

Im glad Judah weighed at 143! He seemed to take this fight seriously! This also means that he should be able to drop to 140 and "rule" the division!!!!!

Look out for JUDAH-MALIGNAGGI @ MSG in early 2009!
D-MARV
Im watching Clottey-Corrales on showtime right now! This fight was a fu*king WAR! Corrales show great heart!
hardhead
I like Clotty by decision although I think like many of his fights Judah's speed and athleticism will win him some rounds in the early going, say 4-1. 4-2 going into the 2nd half of the fight and that's when I could see Clotty get it going and wearing him down a bit and close out strong with a close decision.

Judah, since he came in real light for this fight outta think about dropping back down to 140 if he losses, I'd favor him over pretty much everybody there(Hatton, Malinaggi,Bradley, Torres) while at Welter, if he wins, the only fights I think he has even a chance of winning is Berto(because of Berto's inexperience) and Mosley(he's getting up there but still think Mosley wins) and maybe Williams(hard to shake how Quintanna schooled Williams the first time around) even then I'd still pick Williams and Mosley at this point while Berto might be a little more competitive.
PUERTOROCKS
You guy got it all wrong. Clottey ko 9. Clottey is the most underrated fighter IMO. Clottey will come in at 165-170 lbs.
D-MARV
QUOTE(PUERTOROCKS @ Aug 1 2008, 10:31 PM) [snapback]398461[/snapback]
You guy got it all wrong. Clottey ko 9. Clottey is the most underrated fighter IMO. Clottey will come in at 165-170 lbs.

Clottey is a real solid fighter and should be a threat to all the welterweights! My only beef with him is that he fades late!!!! I think he will win the fight but I dont see him stopping Judah. I mean Clottey didn't even stop Corrales. (A Guy that even Mayweather was able to stop!!!)... tongue.gif oh oh did I say that!
Mean Mister Mustard
Looking at CLottey he should be able to beat Judah/ Why? Because he's an inside fighter. He also throws a damn sneaky lead right hand after which he gets close to you and dishes out hooks to the body and head. Just like Mayweather did with Judah. That lead right hand will come in handy. However Judah is a good counterpuncher. But he always looks for the perfect opening to shoot. Just look at the PBF and Cotto fights. Instead of covering up all the time he should have thrown punches.

Sure he might have been caught with something big but he got his ass kicked either way. If he starts getting busted up against Clottey I hope at some point he starts to let his hands go and go for broke. going to the body would also be nice.
Jack 1000
I like Clottey TKO 10 if he can get past the first 5 rounds or so where Judah is the sharpest and freshest. Stamina-wise, Zab begins to break down in the later rounds. If Joshua can avoid getting caught in those first 5 rounds, I think he can wear Zab down and out for a late stoppage.

Jack
MarzB
I'll go against the grain and something I said and say Zab Judah. His back is against the wall literally.

Him showing up at 143 (wow) tells me he trained his ass off. I still say when Zab comes focus his physical skills are unquestioned. The probably is his "boxing brain".

If he's able to do that inside slip or feint to the left and shoot that mix hook/uppercut haymaker of his watch out. Both fighter I know are motivated and I respect Clottey but I think Zab will pull out a decision where we'll be talking tomorrow, "if he could just fight like that ALL the time"..
JD
I worry about Zab at 143.

My official pick was Clottey by split decision...and I will stick with it, with the notion that Zab is VERY dangerous here...but that weight concerns me.
dbdbdb
I like Clotty in this fight by UD or KO

Clotty is going to look huge compared to Zab come fight night. And of course Zab's mental state unfortunately will play a major role in how well he does. The IBF belt {Not a major belt, but a good start} is at stake in this one and it will boil down to who wants it the most.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Aug 1 2008, 09:43 PM) [snapback]398463[/snapback]
Clottey is a real solid fighter and should be a threat to all the welterweights! My only beef with him is that he fades late!!!! I think he will win the fight but I dont see him stopping Judah. I mean Clottey didn't even stop Corrales. (A Guy that even Mayweather was able to stop!!!)... tongue.gif oh oh did I say that!

Not cool Damarv!!!You said it!!hahaha..Just playin..But anyway,Mayweather has stopped plenty of people who have never even been knocked down..Mayweather will break you down till you have nothing left and have to go down,like what he did against Corrales and Hatton..Corrales has the heart of the top warriors ever in boxing..Corrales was also a very skilled boxer but he loved to fight it out too much even though he was a also a master on inside fighting..Corrales also struggled A LOT to make weight in that fight,kinda like Roy Jones Vs. James Toney,Roy Jones Vs. Tarver 2,Tarver Vs. Hopkins,and I think even Chris Byrd Vs. George..Struggling soo much and draining yourself like that makes you soo weak that you can't preform like you normally do,ya know??I can't even watch the Corrales/Clottey fight though after the first time,since Corrales was gone shortly after that and it makes me sad..Corrales was the coolest guy to talk to on the phone,I was pretty nervous too since he was the first boxer I'd ever talked to and he was in my top 5 favorites boxing at the time but he made me feel like we were just friends talking..I'll never forget that phone call..RIP Diego!!
BigG
Clottey by clear decision or late KO...
caneman
Clottey by stoppage in about 9 or 10 rounds...I hope Zab takes a beating again & a bad one @ that! black eye.gif



The wheels are gonna come off the Zag wagon tonight! fuck.gif
buford54
QUOTE(JonnyBlaze @ Aug 1 2008, 10:19 PM) [snapback]398456[/snapback]
Zab is a amazing boxer when he boxes and also has some of the best footwork in boxing right now in my opinion..All he needs to do is be able to go 12 rounds and to never abandon his jab..If he boxes the whole fight and doesn't look for one punch,he'll look better then he has in years..I'm glad he is comin into the fight at 143 soo he'll even have more of a edge with his speed and he'll also be quicker on his feet..


The problem here is that Zab can't box for 12 rounds without abandoning his jab. He can't do it.
He expects to win every fight by KO within 4 rounds. If he doesn't , he listens to his father in the corner, whose only advice is, "Zab, hit him with a bip bam boom bip bip bop bazoom!"

Zab has sadly succumb to the trap which is the definition of "stupid," doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting a different result.

Haven't seen too much of Clottey, but if he shows the defense that he did against Margarito for the 1st 4 rounds of this fight, I pick him by late stoppage/UD.
Method
I have no idea what to make of Judah's weigh-in weight. Trained his ass off? Partied his ass off (sniff sniff)? I have no fucking clue, but I really hope it's the former.

My official pick on the front page was Clottey by decision, but I laid money on Judah at +200 on Sportsbook yesterday, as I think there is value in those odds given the matchup. Since then, odds on Judah have come in to about +185, so who knows.

Like Marz siad, and like I mentioned on the front page - Zab's back is up against a cliff. Lose this one and it's off the edge he goes. Perhaps his weight has something to do with he and his team knowing this and training to be able to sustain a solid (not blazing) 12 round pace. I really have no clue.

I can't say I ever remember a time when I saw Zab able to put on a solid 12 round performance. He's got boxing ADD like a motherfucker.

Will be intresting to see...especially on free HBO (in hi def) and with Margarito / Cotto replay as the undercard....SWEET little night of boxing.
Thegreatequalizer
QUOTE(Method @ Aug 2 2008, 11:14 AM) [snapback]398502[/snapback]
I have no idea what to make of Judah's weigh-in weight. Trained his ass off? Partied his ass off (sniff sniff)? I have no fucking clue, but I really hope it's the former.

My official pick on the front page was Clottey by decision, but I laid money on Judah at +200 on Sportsbook yesterday, as I think there is value in those odds given the matchup. Since then, odds on Judah have come in to about +185, so who knows.

Like Marz siad, and like I mentioned on the front page - Zab's back is up against a cliff. Lose this one and it's off the edge he goes. Perhaps his weight has something to do with he and his team knowing this and training to be able to sustain a solid (not blazing) 12 round pace. I really have no clue.

I can't say I ever remember a time when I saw Zab able to put on a solid 12 round performance. He's got boxing ADD like a motherfucker.


i agree. i think clottey is under-rated and will win this by decision or late ko.

the last time i remember judah looking good for the distance was against chop chop. he stayed away and outboxed him for pretty much the whole fight. that was a while ago.
Imperius3
I don't know what to make of 143 either. Did he train hard or overtrain? And what happens if Clottey comes into the ring at 170, with Judah coming in at 150? Either way, I think the outcome will be the same. Even though Judah has the skill, power, and speed to beat anyone, I can't trust his heart and mentality, and I expect him to collapse under Clottey's pressure.

Judah will start off well, landing fast left-hand counters. As with most Judah fights, he will win the majority of the first 4 rounds. Clottey will then work his way inside, and I expect to see Judah get rocked with a few uppercuts. This will cause Judah to fight in retreat mode, while Clottey stalks him and lands constant right hands, earning Clottey a good workman-like victory.

I wouldn't be surprised if Judah gets overwhelmed and stopped, but my official pick will be Clottey by UD.
caneman
I wonder if he came in @ 143 cause he plans to be on his bike...IMO it's the only way his chin will hold up!
EpTXCHAMP
QUOTE(Imperius3 @ Aug 2 2008, 10:24 AM) [snapback]398506[/snapback]
I don't know what to make of 143 either. Did he train hard or overtrain? And what happens if Clottey comes into the ring at 170, with Judah coming in at 150? Either way, I think the outcome will be the same. Even though Judah has the skill, power, and speed to beat anyone, I can't trust his heart and mentality, and I expect him to collapse under Clottey's pressure.

Judah will start off well, landing fast left-hand counters. As with most Judah fights, he will win the majority of the first 4 rounds. Clottey will then work his way inside, and I expect to see Judah get rocked with a few uppercuts. This will cause Judah to fight in retreat mode, while Clottey stalks him and lands constant right hands, earning Clottey a good workman-like victory.

I wouldn't be surprised if Judah gets overwhelmed and stopped, but my official pick will be Clottey by UD.


I dont see what the big deal about him weighing 143 is? I said in earlier posts when haters where reporting "rumors" that he was out of shape.
He got a new conditioning coach, pretty much went through TWO training camps since yoko canceled the shane fight.
He's a small welter who usually weighs under 147 examples: mayweather fight he weighed 145.5 and against cotto he weighed 145
two pounds could be all the extra work and will only help since I see him boxing and moving like cotto did last sat except I see zab doing it for more than 5 rounds clottey makes a late push but I'm taking judah by SD
Imperius3
The weight might not be a big deal at all. We will see!
Mean Mister Mustard
Judah's problems have never been about stamina. It's about his lack of focus, no plan B, inability to fight on the inside and not throwing enough punches.
Snowsy
Wow...

I can't believe how many people are sleeping on Judah. This guy was the undisputed champ of this division not that long ago. Clottey has proven to be solid, but not a world beater. Zab punches hard (ask Spinks), boxes extremely well, and while I don't think his speed advantage is as great against Clottey (a fast handed fighter) he may be a bit quicker. Also, Clottey hasn't dealt with a southie of Zab's caliber. Not even close.

I just find it amazing that people are discounting a known quantity in Judah, who has really performed at a high level for so many years and gave both Cotto and Mayweather a stiff challenge based on his raw (if untamed) ability.

My Pick???

Clottey, inside of 7.... smile.gif
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
I thnk the weight is a sign that he has been training hard since about March. Hopefully he hasn't over trained though. I know, it's something when you think Zab Judah has overtrained for a fight. My pick is still Judah by decision, but that weight does worry me a bit. I remember three years ago when Vivian Harris came in like 5 pounds under the jr welter limit. That night Carlos Maussa knocked him out, and Clottey is a lot better than Maussa. We'll see though. Should be a good one.
kidbazooka1
I see Zab controlling the early rds with Clottey coming on strong late in the fight but losing a close decision.
treyes7123
What the hell, lets go against the grain and say Zab by KO in three...
WolfishPromistah
Hmmmm, I see Zab tending to start off fast and sharp, trying to make the fight as competitive as he can, but somewhere down the line he'll look for a way out, after getting his eye busted and claiming he sees "threes," hoping then that the fight will be stopped so he can attempt to win on the cards.

Say, that's what happened! LoL! (joking, though it's suspected by some I've talked to). I was kind of expecting some questionable stuff, so I didn't take to paying "that much" attention to this fight as I will have to later, provided I really choose to look at it. On another note, however, I heard that Zab did at least fight through this fight like he was on a mission to get his "good" name back.
D-MARV
QUOTE(WolfishPromistah @ Aug 3 2008, 09:27 AM) [snapback]398716[/snapback]
Hmmmm, I see Zab tending to start off fast and sharp, trying to make the fight as competitive as he can, but somewhere down the line he'll look for a way out, after getting his eye busted and claiming he sees "threes," hoping then that the fight will be stopped so he can attempt to win on the cards.

Say, that's what happened! LoL! (joking, though it's suspected by some I've talked to). I was kind of expecting some questionable stuff, so I didn't take to paying "that much" attention to this fight as I will have to later, provided I really choose to look at it. On another note, however, I heard that Zab did at least fight through this fight like he was on a mission to get his "good" name back.

Nope, it was a typical Zab fight! He was competative but he was up against a bigger , stronger guy and he was fading down the stretch!
MarzB
What I found funny was that Zab couldn't see that lunging straight right hand that was killing him. I'll add more later.
D-MARV
QUOTE(MarzB @ Aug 3 2008, 01:34 PM) [snapback]398763[/snapback]
What I found funny was that Zab couldn't see that lunging straight right hand that was killing him. I'll add more later.

Im glad you mentioned that! I was going to say that I noticed Judah getting hit a little more than usual! Credit to Clottey!, but I feel like Judah's reflexes are slowing down. He was never a defensive wizard but he seemed to be a bit slicker than he was last night! Did anyone else notice that?
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