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Shane Mosley & Kostya Tszyu: Boxing’s Smiling Assassins
Tue 29-Jul-2008 09:21

By Paul Upham

To be in the presence of one undisputed boxing world champion is special. To be able to sit back and observe two of them interacting together is a privilege that doesn’t come along every day. Such was the case on July 23, when Sugar Shane Mosley accepted an invitation to visit Kostya Tszyu at his home in Sydney, Australia.

It wasn’t that long ago that they were considered to be among the best boxers in the world pound for pound, with extensive world title reigns on their resumes. It is almost certain they will one day be enshrined into the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota.

Their amateur career records are amazingly similar. Russian born Tszyu had 259 wins and only 11 defeats on his resume, when he turned professional in March 1992, after becoming world amateur champion in 1991 in Sydney.

Mosley turned professional in February 1993, his amateur record standing at 250 wins and 16 losses. He had competed in the 1992 USA Olympic Trials, but lost a points decision in the semi-finals against future professional opponent Vernon Forrest.

It was as amateur boxers that Tszyu and Mosley first met in 1990 at the Goodwill Games held in Seattle, USA.

Tszyu won the Gold medal for the Soviet Union team at 140lbs at that tournament. Mosley was an 18 year-old Bronze medallist for the American team at 132lbs.

Even back then, Mosley says 20 year-old Tszyu stood out from the other boxers on the Soviet team and it wasn’t just his unique hair style that distinguished him.

“I remember his hair plait was longer than what he has it now,” said Mosley. “He stood out in a number of ways. He was a real boxer back then. He would slip and slide and duck. I’ve always believed that the fight starts from right here inside your head. He had that. We used to say he was like an American. He moves around and he boxes. He counters real good. He was real slick and fast.

“We liked him even back then before anybody even knew about him. He just stood out. He was very determined. You could see the determination in his eyes. He went on to have good power, but as an amateur it was weird, he wasn’t knocking anyone out. He was a fantastic boxer, then he turned pro and was knocking everybody out.”

Asked about his early memories of a young Shane Mosley, Tszyu replied with one word, “Speed!”

As professionals they have been equally successful. Tszyu won four world titles at junior welterweight and was undisputed world champion from 2001 to 2005, with a record of 31 wins, 2 losses, 25 knockouts and 1 no contest.

Mosley has won four world titles in three weight classes and is the only boxer to date to have beaten the great Oscar De La Hoya twice. His record currently stands at 44 wins, 5 losses and 37 wins by knockout.

For the last two weeks, Mosley has been in Australia training alongside and mentoring his 22 year-old protégé Billy Dib, who he promotes under the Golden Boy banner.

22 year-old 20-0 (11) Dib faces South Africa Zolani Marali for the vacant IBO junior lightweight world title on Wednesday night July 30 in Newcastle on the Anthony Mundine-Crazy Kim card.

Interrupting his own training camp in the USA for his upcoming fight with Ricardo Mayorga on September 27, Mosley made his first trip to Australia to work with Dib, who is now trained by Tszyu’s former trainer Johnny Lewis.

After completing their morning gym session, Mosley and Dib drove to Tszyu’s impressive home in the southern suburbs of Sydney.

Tszyu, who had only just completed his own morning workout in his home gym, greeted them at the front door. There was nothing but respect and friendship as the two boxing superstars embraced warmly.

“Kostya, great to see you,” smiled Mosley.

“It is so good to have you here Shane,” replied Tszyu.

As they sat down side by side in Tszyu’s lounge room, the first topic to be discussed was something that means so much to both men and it had nothing to do with boxing. For Mosley and Tszyu, family takes precedence over everything else.

Mosley met Tszyu’s wife Natasha and two sons Timophey and Nikita. They also have a daughter Anastasia. Mosley has three children with his wife Jin, sons Najee Jamarr, Taiseki Justin and daughter Mee-Yon Jinae. He also has two older sons, Shane Jr and Norman.

Tszyu’s father Boris was also present and has always been a huge part of his son’s life, much like Mosley’s own father Jack, who has trained his son for the major part of his boxing career.

Tszyu and Mosley found they had much in common when dealing with the issue of what sports their oldest sons should pursue competitively.

“I told my oldest son Shane Jr, if you want to box, that is up to you,” said Mosley. “I will train him. But I am not going to push him.”

Shane Jr is a 17 year-old who is much taller than his father and could eventually compete as a light heavyweight.

“I remember last year when Shane started doing morning runs with me,” said Billy Dib. “He was telling me how much he really wanted to fight. “

“He actually wanted to fight before that,” replied Mosley, “but everyone was telling him, ‘don’t fight’. He has been around the gym and sparring, so he knows how to jab and use the right hand.”

13 year-old Timophey Tszyu has shown great athletic prowess at running, skipping and soccer. While he has done lots of boxing training and sparred on many occasions in his father’s gym, even if he wanted to, he is not able to start an amateur career just yet.

“Over here in NSW, they have a crazy rule where they can’t fight until they are fourteen years-old,” said Tszyu.

Like Mosley, Tszyu will support his son if he decides to box, but it will be Timophey’s own decision.

“The problem for them is that people will always be asking, ‘is he as good as his father?’” suggested Tszyu.

Mosley was also interested in Boris Tszyu’s Korean-Russian heritage. Kostya Tszyu’s great grandfather migrated from Korea to Russia at the start of the 20th century. Sugar Shane’s wife Jin Mosley is a Korean American who was born and raised in New York. Mosley always attaches the Taegukgi, which is the flag of South Korea, to his trunks whenever he fights.

After finishing their coffee’s, eventually, the talk turned to boxing.

36 year-old Mosley, who looked extremely fit, “I always stay in shape. When I am not boxing, I like to play basketball,” is currently weighing 165lbs. His fight with the Nicaraguan ‘wild man’ Ricardo Mayorga will be held at 154lbs. Mosley, who has been moving between welterweight and junior middleweight over the last few years of his career said, “If there was a perfect weight class for me, it would be 150lbs.”

Prior to working with Dib, Mosley’s only real Australian connection was his WBC welterweight world title defence against then No.1 contender Shannan Taylor, from Wollongong south of Sydney, in Las Vegas in March 2001, which he won by 6th round knockout.

“He was just tough,” Mosley recalled. “He was the type of guy who would come right at you. He was right in front of you. I remember when I knocked him down at the end of the first round, he got up and walked to my corner.”

When discussion came to the upcoming weekend’s welterweight super fight between Miguel Cotto and Antonio Margarito in Las Vegas, Mosley’s words were prophetic.

“I think Margarito might beat Cotto, because of his style,” Mosley had predicted. “Margarito is going to make Cotto fight with his constant pressure. Cotto is going to have to be on his ‘A’ boxing game to box him.”

Mosley had lost a close twelve round points decision to Cotto in his last fight on November 10 at Madison Square Garden in New York. Such was the passionate support from Cotto’s Puerto Rican fans on the night, Mosley surmised that he may have well been fighting in Puerto Rico.

“The reason why I tried to knock Cotto out was we were in New York, basically Puerto Rico,” he said, “so, that is a place where I had to try to knock him out to win. I tried to chase him a little bit and kind of fought stupid. It was a close fight and at the end of some rounds, I pulled back and got caught with a rip to the head and maybe the judges gave some of those rounds to him, where I had won most of the round, at the end of the round, he hit me. The Puerto Rico fans screamed and they gave him the round. Even though I won two and a half minutes and lost the last thirty seconds of the round.”

Mosley recalled that he had attended two of Tszyu’s fights in person. The first was against Diosbelys Hurtado in November 1998 at the Fantasy Springs Casino in Indio, California, USA. It was a thrilling fight that Tszyu won by 5th round knockout, even though both boxers hit the canvas in an explosive first round.

“That was a good fight,” said Mosley. “Kostya was banging him to the body and the head, he was trying to run, but Kostya wouldn’t let him run.”

Mosley was also ringside at one of Tszyu’s best professional nights, when he became undisputed world champion by knocking out Zab Judah in two rounds at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas in November 2001.

“I saw Judah dance,” Mosley smiled at Tszyu. “I was there when Kostya knocked him out. You lined him up and bam! Right down the pipe. Zab was going to his right. He kept stepping to his right and you seen him do it once.”

“Yes, he did it once in the first round and I missed it, just a bit,” replied Tszyu.

“Yeah, you missed it,” Mosley continued, “but you said, ‘I’m going to get him if he does that again’. I saw that. You looked at him and you knew you were going to get him with the right hand.”

Mosley was originally slated to face Judah this year before the New Yorker injured his hand, cancelling the fight.

“When I was training for Zab, I could see what he did,” said Mosley. “He caught everyone up the middle. When he turns his shoulder, he caught everyone with the left uppercut or the right hand and the straight left, that is his best shot.”

Mosley was reminded that in 1999 he relinquished his IBF lightweight world title to move directly to welterweight. After two tune-up fights, he secured his “Destiny” super fight with Oscar De La Hoya in June 2000, one of the best nights of his career when he won a twelve round points decision in a magnificent battle.

“A great night,” said Mosley. “That’s the fight that first made me the most money. I thought I won the fight, but thought they might give the decision to Oscar.”

Mosley shook his head and smiled when asked if jumping straight from lightweight to welterweight and bypassing Tszyu, who was the WBC world champion at the time, had been on purpose.

“I was really a 140lbs fighter fighting at 135,” he explained. “When I first turned pro, what I wanted to do was win the lightweight title, then go to 140 and fight for a little bit, then go to 147. What happened was they kept me at 135, after I fought Philip Holiday. They kept me down there to make me prove myself. After I fought John Brown, it was just too much. Then I got the chance to move straight to welterweight and the fight with Oscar.”

Throughout his career, Tszyu was prolific in beating southpaws. They never seemed to worry him and it appeared to be as natural as fighting a right hander.

Whilst talking about Dib’s upcoming fight with southpaw Zolani Marali, an impromptu clinic began in Tszyu’s lounge room on how to best handle left-handers. Standing up, Tszyu demonstrated to Dib and Mosley some of the tactics he used during his career.

“One of the tricks you do is to move around to your left, like this,” Tszyu demonstrated, as Dib and Mosley watched intently.

Mosley then suggested some of his own moves and it became a master class on fighting southpaws. For Dib or any other young boxer, it was a special time to cherish and learn.

“To have sat down with Shane and Kostya and talk boxing was big, really big,” Dib would later comment. “It was a good feeling. With these guys, I take everything in. They have been there. For Kostya Tszyu to tell me this next fight is my first world title and I am going to go on and win many more. That makes me feel good. Like Shane, he really wants me to win many more world titles.”

Tszyu asked Dib about his training routine for strength and suggested doing push-ups, which had really helped him throughout his own career.

“In 30 seconds you can do 50 push-ups and that is a good workout,” said Tszyu.

While he hasn’t fought since his loss to Ricky Hatton in June 2005, 38 year-old Tszyu still trains regularly and keeps in good condition. Last year he broke his consecutive push-up record of 270.

Tszyu told Dib how important pushing his body to its limits physically was and how the right preparation in all aspects of boxing would also help him if he were to be knocked down.

“This is the boxing game,” cautioned Tszyu. “You can get knocked down, but it is how you bounce back in that situation. How you put this behind you. Have you been knocked down?”

“No,” replied Dib.

“Thank God,” smiled Tszyu.

“We have both been there,” said Tszyu, looking over at Mosley, both of them now laughing. “It wasn’t really a pleasant feeling, but it is normal.”

“If you get knocked down, you have to be strong, get up and do what you have got to do to win,” said Mosley.

“It is all about training,” continued Tszyu. “Teaching your body and how you react to this situation.”

The group then moved downstairs to Tszyu’s games room and bar, the walls adorned with photos throughout his career. It is also where he keeps his pet python, “Jake The Snake”, named after Tszyu’s first world title victim, Jake “The Snake” Rodriguez.

“I have had him since he was only little,” said Tszyu of his pet, who is now eleven years old.

“I see snakes, but I normally don’t like to touch them,” admitted Mosley.

“He can bite you, but it’s not poisonous,” said Tszyu, which did not exactly give the American extra confidence.

“I never thought I’d hold a snake,” smiled Dib. “I was just trying to be brave in front of Kostya.”

After patting the snake, Mosley admired the many photos from Tszyu’s career inside and outside the ring. He was particularly impressed with Tszyu’s performances in the Australian version of Dancing With The Stars, where he was runner-up in 2006.

“Wow, you can dance?” asked Mosley.

“Well, not really,” Tszyu smiled. “But I had a very good partner in Luda Kroitor, she is a world champion dancer and we worked very hard.”

Moving to Tszyu’s trophy room, Mosley admired the four world title belts on display, a WBC, WBA and two IBF titles.

“You have a full collection Kostya,” complimented Mosley.

The talk then turned to the proliferation of boxing world titles today.

“You have to pay so much money in sanctioning fees,” said Mosley, shaking his head.

“Things have changed now,” agreed Tszyu. “Before, you would hold your belt for a long time, now there are so many organisations and they all want a % of money from you.”

“When you win your first world title, it means so much,” said Mosley, who owns four in total himself, with an IBF world title at lightweight, a WBC welterweight world title and WBC-WBA world titles at junior middleweight.

Mosley looked closely at Tszyu’s undisputed world champion belt awarded to him by The Ring magazine after he beat Judah. Sugar Shane has his own version at junior middleweight, after beating Oscar De La Hoya for a second time in September 2003.

Both Mosley and Tszyu agreed that The Ring undisputed world champion belt was very special to them. “It is something that I will always cherish,” said Tszyu.

Also very special in Mosley’s collection, is the honour of having been considered the best boxer in the world pound for pound.

“When you reach that level of being one of the best boxers at that time,” he said, “you go into the history books and that is special.”

Oscar De La Hoya’s Golden Boy Promotions in partnership with Mosley and Bernard Hopkins, has become one of the world’s most dominant promoters in the sport. They have revolutionised the way they deal with boxers, through the hard lessons learned in their own careers and continue to expand into new areas, such as their recent signings of Ricky Hatton and David Haye in the UK.

“That’s what Golden Boy is about,” said Mosley. “Making sure the fighters are taken care of and helping the sport of boxing. It takes a bit of a blow here and there sometimes, but it is better now because people want to see these up and coming fighters and we are trying to find the next superstar.”

As big as he is in Australia, Tszyu is a boxing and sporting icon in Russia and has his own promotional organisation, the Kostya Tszyu Cup. Mosley and Tszyu discussed the possibility of promoting and working together.

“We are currently doing four shows a year,” explained Tszyu.

“You certainly have the connections in Russia,” said Mosley. “We may be able do something together in the future. We can talk to Oscar and Richard Schaefer at Golden Boy.”

At the front door of Tszyu’s four level mansion there are tiles expertly laid in black on a white background, featuring the boxer’s image between a large ‘KT’.

As Mosley was leaving, he stopped to admire the complicated design and Tszyu asked, “You like this?”

“Yes, I really like these tiles,” Mosley replied.

“The only problem is my wife says she can step on me every single day,” laughed Tszyu, walking over the top of himself.

With that, Mosley and Dib jumped into Tszyu’s Bentley motor vehicle parked in his driveway courtyard. They drove to Mosley’s hotel and Tszyu had enjoyed their meeting so much, he stayed and had lunch with them.

Mosley also enjoyed his time with Tszyu immensely.

“It was like old times,” he said, the following day. “I first met Kostya way back in 1990. He didn’t speak English back then. It was great to see him. We were talking about working together with Golden Boy and some Russian fighters. Oscar, Kostya and I, we all came up in the same era. Working together in the future would be great.

“It was a great thing to go to his home and see him, his family and his kids. His son Timophey is starting to get into boxing, maybe. Kostya has strong morals and values. He seems like an all-round professional. A very straight up person.”

For Tszyu, Mosley is a true professional in every sense of the word.

“I really like Shane and it was great to spend time with him again,” said Tszyu. “Of course, his achievements in boxing are special. He has been one of the greats. But I like Shane Mosley the man outside the boxing ring even more.”

Dib agrees that there are a lot of similarities between Mosley and Tszyu and it is just not the fact that they were both born in the month September and have great right hands. They have a burning determination to help the sport of boxing.

“They are just like Oscar De La Hoya and Bernard Hopkins,” he explained. “They love the sport of boxing and that’s why they give us younger guys an opportunity to improve and showcase our skills.”

There are so many things to love about Shane Mosley and Kostya Tszyu and what they have done for boxing and continue to do. They are strong family men who have set the standard by respecting the sport, their fellow boxers and the fans. But most importantly, they have been a great example of what hard work and dedication can achieve, whilst enjoying the journey along the way.

“If you are not smiling, what’s the point,’ said Tszyu. “You have to enjoy it.”


Paul Upham
The CEO
I enjoyed that....thanks, wooooo....

MarzB
I've grown to dislike Mosley now but that was a great piece. It reminded me of what Shane "USED" to be when I liked him.
STEVENSKI
Ha ha. Billy Dib was dropped in that fight he had. I hope he gets busted up real good soon.

Tszyu & Mosley are both legends IMO. Quiet & respectful they are what fighters should aspire to be like not like Judah & PBF.
BigG
PBF Jr > Tszyu/Mosley
Boxingjunkie
QUOTE(MarzB @ Aug 6 2008, 07:01 PM) [snapback]399402[/snapback]
I've grown to dislike Mosley now but that was a great piece. It reminded me of what Shane "USED" to be when I liked him.


Whats changed about him not to like?


QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Aug 6 2008, 08:16 PM) [snapback]399410[/snapback]
Ha ha. Billy Dib was dropped in that fight he had. I hope he gets busted up real good soon.

Tszyu & Mosley are both legends IMO. Quiet & respectful they are what fighters should aspire to be like not like Judah & PBF.



My thoughts exactly.
Fitz
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Aug 7 2008, 11:16 AM) [snapback]399410[/snapback]
Ha ha. Billy Dib was dropped in that fight he had. I hope he gets busted up real good soon.


Haha, I seen him fight once and he has a cocky and slick style. The problem was, he was getting caught and fighting as if he was a slick fighter even though he was easy to find. He has that real cocky persona about him.

QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Aug 7 2008, 11:16 AM) [snapback]399410[/snapback]
Tszyu & Mosley are both legends IMO. Quiet & respectful they are what fighters should aspire to be like not like Judah & PBF.


Agreed.
Fitz
Good article also.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 7 2008, 02:35 AM) [snapback]399416[/snapback]
PBF Jr > Tszyu/Mosley



Considering he blatantly avoided Tszyu that is pure speculation. I would take Tszyu over PBF in a heartbeat. Tszyu's timing may have been his greatest asset & he never came close to losing to a slick fighter. Styles make fights & Tszyu would be all wrong for PBF.
BigG

Floyd by wide UD Floyd isnt Judah or Sharmba Mitchell or 40 year old Uncle Roger.

He never came close to losing to a slick fighter but keep in mind the slick fighters he beat were Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell. LOL not exactly Floyd
woooooo
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 6 2008, 10:05 PM) [snapback]399423[/snapback]
Floyd by wide UD Floyd isnt Judah or Sharmba Mitchell or 40 year old Uncle Roger.

Your right, he's a "stunter"/part time fighter/pick and choose fighter.

Mosley TKO10 Lloyd Mayweather.
MarzB
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Aug 6 2008, 08:16 PM) [snapback]399410[/snapback]
Ha ha. Billy Dib was dropped in that fight he had. I hope he gets busted up real good soon.

Tszyu & Mosley are both legends IMO. Quiet & respectful they are what fighters should aspire to be like not like Judah & PBF.



Seriously be quiet. Who are you or ANYONE to dictate how anyone should act? "PUBLIC IMAGE" is just that "IMAGE" period. Ray Leonard who had a great PUBLIC persona was a wife beater, coke head. How many others do we need to mention in history? What matters is how you live YOUR life to those important around you (typically YOUR FAMILY). So stop stating "how someone should be" because you don't truly know how they "really ARE"..

Now onto other things. BoxingJunkie. Since Jin reads these boards, I'm sure I'm opening myself up but I think her husband Shane is very mentally WEAK. The keywords are "I". From my standpoint when Mosley is in trouble in fights, he truly shows it in his body language and while he tends to be able to survive, its just that. He doesn't seem to fight through it. The Winky Wright fights were clear examples that. You see it in the Forrest fights but it's more pronounced in the Wright fights. Slumped shoulders, a feeling of, "i can't do it". He's human and make no mistake WE ALL no matter how great we are at whatever we do feel that at some point, but you DON'T SHOW IT.

Rather than "clear" he needed a sports psychologist when he went to Balco.

I also don't care for him actually trying to call out Floyd after fights were set already when a fight was offered to him and he blames his tooth. He's also forgetful that back when he beat DeLa Hoya, Floyd was calling him out then.

Lastly all guys not Dela Hoya or Richard Schaefer are puppets for "GBP Promotions" which includes HOPKINS. He can ACT like he's a "part owner" but I seriously question ANYONE or DEALS needing his sign off before they go through. That phony title of "amateur development" is even more of a joke.
STEVENSKI
Hey Marz I am a man with a opinion. My opinion is just that mine & I am entitled to say what I want about any fighter.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 7 2008, 03:05 AM) [snapback]399423[/snapback]
Floyd by wide UD.

Floyd by wide UD Floyd isnt Judah or Sharmba Mitchell or 40 year old Uncle Roger.

He never came close to losing to a slick fighter but keep in mind the slick fighters he beat were Zab Judah and Sharmba Mitchell. LOL not exactly Floyd



I think you will find the two you mentioned were ruined as fighters once Tszyu was done with them & PBF still struggled with Zab. Tszyu is no Baldozar or Gatti that is for sure.
Fitz
Seriously, does someone have a clip of Yoel Judah calling him Baldozar. I have never seen it.
BigG
Judah wasnt ruined by Tszyu...Judah never would have beaten Floyd.

Mitchell..that guy was always a B fighter.
Vodoo
QUOTE(MarzB @ Aug 6 2008, 10:15 PM) [snapback]399425[/snapback]
Seriously be quiet. Who are you or ANYONE to dictate how anyone should act? "PUBLIC IMAGE" is just that "IMAGE" period. Ray Leonard who had a great PUBLIC persona was a wife beater, coke head. How many others do we need to mention in history? What matters is how you live YOUR life to those important around you (typically YOUR FAMILY). So stop stating "how someone should be" because you don't truly know how they "really ARE"..

Now onto other things. BoxingJunkie. Since Jin reads these boards, I'm sure I'm opening myself up but I think her husband Shane is very mentally WEAK. The keywords are "I". From my standpoint when Mosley is in trouble in fights, he truly shows it in his body language and while he tends to be able to survive, its just that. He doesn't seem to fight through it. The Winky Wright fights were clear examples that. You see it in the Forrest fights but it's more pronounced in the Wright fights. Slumped shoulders, a feeling of, "i can't do it". He's human and make no mistake WE ALL no matter how great we are at whatever we do feel that at some point, but you DON'T SHOW IT.

Rather than "clear" he needed a sports psychologist when he went to Balco.

I also don't care for him actually trying to call out Floyd after fights were set already when a fight was offered to him and he blames his tooth. He's also forgetful that back when he beat DeLa Hoya, Floyd was calling him out then.

Lastly all guys not Dela Hoya or Richard Schaefer are puppets for "GBP Promotions" which includes HOPKINS. He can ACT like he's a "part owner" but I seriously question ANYONE or DEALS needing his sign off before they go through. That phony title of "amateur development" is even more of a joke.
I respect your opinion about Mosley, but for you to sit there and say a guy is showing how he feels is nothing more than speculation. He may appear to be looking unconfident but how on earth do you know that for sure? Also I've had people tell me they've seen Shane with that same unconfident look--everyone always talks about--in the Collazo fight. A fight he absolutely dominated. Also during the Winky fight he admitted that he wasn't feeling right in that fight so if he looked unconfident I certainly wouldn't blame him in that instant. He gave a far better account of himself in the rematch. Now when it comes to him blaming his tooth for not fighting Floyd, I'll give you that one, I don't know what was going on with that, I also didn't like that he turned down a Margarito fight but I can understand it. Shane fought everyone and if he felt he wanted to get some more confidence back I say do what you have to do, it's your career and I'm certain it wasn't done out of fear of Margarito. Also, please don't believe Floyd and his lies about calling out Shane after Shane beat Oscar. Both Floyd and Judah love to preach how Shane jumped to 147 to avoid them. Ha! First of all Judah was working his way up still fighting jokes and Floyd was at 130 so they both need to stop their lies. On top of that they would have done the same thing, because fighting Oscar brought the biggest attention and biggest payday and there isn't a fighter in the world who wouldn't have taken on Oscar who was the biggest name at the time other than Tyson. Me, I'm a big Shane fan. He's not perfect but he definitely doesn't deserve to be hated on for showing a little disconfidence if that's even the case. The guy comes to a fight to fight, he doesn't come to try to pick his way to a safety first win. He's from the old school, like Hagler or Duran, he comes there to destroy his opponent, to beat them up, and he always comes in shape. He's been a true professional his whole career. Ohh but silly him, he looked unconfident in a couple fights.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 7 2008, 05:54 AM) [snapback]399442[/snapback]
Judah wasnt ruined by Tszyu...Judah never would have beaten Floyd.

Mitchell..that guy was always a B fighter.



Are you for real? Judah was never the same after Tszyu made him dance.
BigG
Would Judah-Mayweather have been any different pre Tszyu loss? Dont think so.

Mayweather > Tszyu > Judah

Well Floyd does handpick opponents but keep in mind of his handpicked opponents was the guy who ended Tszyu's title reign..so lets give floyd a LITTLE credit.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 7 2008, 06:15 AM) [snapback]399447[/snapback]
Would Judah-Mayweather have been any different pre Tszyu loss? Dont think so.

Mayweather > Tszyu > Judah

Well Floyd does handpick opponents but keep in mind of his handpicked opponents was the guy who ended Tszyu's title reign..so lets give floyd a LITTLE credit.



No credit as it is a case of styles make fights.

The only fights Tszyu ever lost was when his opponents took the fight to him & outpunched & in Hattons case outwrestled him. No fighter ever "outboxed" Tszyu.

Tszyu was a master of timing & when you fought him it was only a matter of time before you got hit by him. I just do not think PBF would have been able to stay away from a guy as efficient as Tszyu for the full 12 rounds.

Tszyu was all wrong for PBF at 140 IMO. Styles make fights & Tszyu had the perfect style to beat PBF.
BigG
That might be true but the slick fighters like I said were Judah and Mitchell. They were not in PBF's class and Mayweather proved that himself when he outclassed them both. After the first minute of round 4, Zab Judah-Mayweather was one-sided. Mitchell was destroyed and knocked out by a body shot.

Maybe it wouldnt be a wide decison but I think Tszyu could be outpointed because unlike Judah, Floyd is a genius in the ring. Tszyu to me is a GREAT GREAT fighter too - one of the best ever at 140.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(MarzB @ Aug 6 2008, 10:15 PM) [snapback]399425[/snapback]
Seriously be quiet. Who are you or ANYONE to dictate how anyone should act? "PUBLIC IMAGE" is just that "IMAGE" period. Ray Leonard who had a great PUBLIC persona was a wife beater, coke head. How many others do we need to mention in history? What matters is how you live YOUR life to those important around you (typically YOUR FAMILY). So stop stating "how someone should be" because you don't truly know how they "really ARE"..

Now onto other things. BoxingJunkie. Since Jin reads these boards, I'm sure I'm opening myself up but I think her husband Shane is very mentally WEAK. The keywords are "I". From my standpoint when Mosley is in trouble in fights, he truly shows it in his body language and while he tends to be able to survive, its just that. He doesn't seem to fight through it. The Winky Wright fights were clear examples that. You see it in the Forrest fights but it's more pronounced in the Wright fights. Slumped shoulders, a feeling of, "i can't do it". He's human and make no mistake WE ALL no matter how great we are at whatever we do feel that at some point, but you DON'T SHOW IT.

Rather than "clear" he needed a sports psychologist when he went to Balco.

I also don't care for him actually trying to call out Floyd after fights were set already when a fight was offered to him and he blames his tooth. He's also forgetful that back when he beat DeLa Hoya, Floyd was calling him out then.

Lastly all guys not Dela Hoya or Richard Schaefer are puppets for "GBP Promotions" which includes HOPKINS. He can ACT like he's a "part owner" but I seriously question ANYONE or DEALS needing his sign off before they go through. That phony title of "amateur development" is even more of a joke.


I would like someone to clear this up for me once and for all (are you reading this Jin? Hint hint).

As my understanding of it was Shane always said going into the second Vargas fight that that would be his last fight for the year and that he was gonna take some time off to be with his family.

Now I'm 100% sure he said that BEFORE the fight took place.

After the fight as I recollect he was questioned about possibly fighting PBF as he'd just cleaned up Vargas again with minimium effort and he reconfirmed his earlier commitment to spend time with his family and that he had also had a sore tooth-of course everyone picked up on the tooth comment and so it's now become boxing legend that he turned down the fight because of the tooth.

I'm sure that's how it played out can, anybody verify this?

Mentally weak? Uummmm not sure about that either.

Remember he was losing the opening rounds of the first Oscar fight handily but managed to change strategy mid-fight (no small feat) and come home strong to win. I think you'd have to be mentally strong to do something like that.

I think what Shane somethimes exhibits in the ring is frustration rather than mental weakness when perhaps he can't unload his shots how he'd like. He strikes me as a bit of a perfectionist like that. Perhaps he should try less to exhibit his frustration to his opponents but hey that's splitting hairs in my humble opinion.

And to end, I'm glad you have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Golden Boy, you apparently have far greater access to their operations than us 'regular' fans.

Feel free to enlighten us on anymore of the their operating procedures I for one would be fascinated to know more!
King Eugene
For some people to Hate Floyd so much they always manage to bring his name up huh? I could have sworn this was suppose to be a good piece about how good of men KT and Mosley are. It didnt have nothing to do with Floyd or Judah! Say what you want about either one of them, they have some huge impacts in boxing if they names are always brung up in dang near every post!

Besides that Big Ups to KT and Mosley
King Eugene
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Aug 7 2008, 02:27 AM) [snapback]399449[/snapback]
No credit as it is a case of styles make fights.

The only fights Tszyu ever lost was when his opponents took the fight to him & outpunched & in Hattons case outwrestled him. No fighter ever "outboxed" Tszyu.

Tszyu was a master of timing & when you fought him it was only a matter of time before you got hit by him. I just do not think PBF would have been able to stay away from a guy as efficient as Tszyu for the full 12 rounds.

Tszyu was all wrong for PBF at 140 IMO. Styles make fights & Tszyu had the perfect style to beat PBF.



Looks like to me that you just dont like Floyd and Judah for whatever reason that may be. He'll I believe you'd pick the featherweight champ to knock Floyd out cause he'd be too fast and put too much pressure on him and pick a 13-23 amateur to beat Judah cause he has punch power and good stamina! LOL
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(the ollie reed fan club @ Aug 7 2008, 01:51 AM) [snapback]399453[/snapback]
I would like someone to clear this up for me once and for all (are you reading this Jin? Hint hint).

As my understanding of it was Shane always said going into the second Vargas fight that that would be his last fight for the year and that he was gonna take some time off to be with his family.

Now I'm 100% sure he said that BEFORE the fight took place.

After the fight as I recollect he was questioned about possibly fighting PBF as he'd just cleaned up Vargas again with minimium effort and he reconfirmed his earlier commitment to spend time with his family and that he had also had a sore tooth-of course everyone picked up on the tooth comment and so it's now become boxing legend that he turned down the fight because of the tooth.

I'm sure that's how it played out can, anybody verify this?

Yep, that's how I remember it too. All along Shane said he wasn't fighting again in 2006. After the fight he was asked what was next and he reaffirmed he was taking the year off. Yes, he made the tooth comment but some people act like he said this with a signed contract from PBF in front of him.

If I recall correctly the interview wrapped up with Larry asking something like, 'But Mayweather is the fight you want next?' and Shane responding, 'Mayweather is the only fight out there.'

Seriously, knowing Shane Mosley and looking at his career as a whole, can anyone realistically believe he was avoiding PBF? A guy who fought Forest and Winky? A guy who was set to fight Tito? Come on.
D-MARV
I love how Floyd pops up in every thread!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL... TRUE GREATNESS

Mayweather>Tszyu
King Eugene
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Aug 7 2008, 12:18 PM) [snapback]399491[/snapback]
I love how Floyd pops up in every thread!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL... TRUE GREATNESS

Mayweather>Tszyu


it never fails. this should be called Floydhype
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(3King3 @ Aug 7 2008, 07:37 AM) [snapback]399455[/snapback]
Looks like to me that you just dont like Floyd and Judah for whatever reason that may be. He'll I believe you'd pick the featherweight champ to knock Floyd out cause he'd be too fast and put too much pressure on him and pick a 13-23 amateur to beat Judah cause he has punch power and good stamina! LOL



Looks to me like you just love making assumptions about who I would pick in a fight & why. How is my opinion wrong? My opinion is that the best natural 140lber in history would beat PBF & I outlined why I think so.

As for your other comments about me picking a featherweight to beat PBF & a amateur with a lopsided losing record to beat Judah I don't even need to comment on such idiocy.

For the record I have a dislike of both guys bordering on outright hatred but I base my opinion on their skills in reality & their accomplishments in the ring.
Mean Mister Mustard
Tzyu would have given Floyd a very good fight. 50-50 chances of victory for both guys that's how good Tzyu was.

The thing about Tzyu is he loved fighting guys at a distance so he could unleash that missile like right hand. Make no mistake about it, Tzyu could have knocked out Mayweather with it. And if Mayweather wanted to fight in the inside he would find out Tzyu was a good fighter in the trenches as well as a bit dirty.

It would be a good fight because like Big G said, PBF is not Judah or Mithcell. Say what you want about Mauweather Jr being a prick and boring as a fighter at times, but one of the reasons he's one fo today's greats is his trememndous refual to lose. He won't cave like Mitchell or implode like Judah.

This would have been a great fight. If only Mayweather would have fought him.
MarzB

And to end, I'm glad you have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Golden Boy, you apparently have far greater access to their operations than us 'regular' fans.

Feel free to enlighten us on anymore of the their operating procedures I for one would be fascinated to know more
!

First of all the hell with you and these little snarky ass comments. K.. Heres what "I KNOW". If you're the director of "Amateur Development" shouldn't you have made ONE appearance at the US boxing compound atleast?? There's this little thing called the OLYMPICS coming up you know.

Secondly if you truly believe as I said that he's more than a name then you know the express, I got some nice ocean front property to sell you. I'm glad you cherry picked that point though because I wanted to touch more on the puppet thing and I was going to base it on the sparring aspect. Sure Shane me be a 'gym rat' of which I have no problem with. Personally though I NEVER work for someone in that fashion (as a sparring partner) when A) I've been CHEATED by the greedy owner (referencing the disrespectful offer Oscar offered Shane for a 3rd fight. After his "FULL INVESTIGATION" comments). The keyword is "I" though perhaps Shane is more forgiving though.

But that tells me a lot about their relationship. Here I'll ask the grand question, what amateurs have Golden Boy brought along?? All they've done is monopolize HBO. Those are the facts, available to ANYONE that wants to know.


As far as the other commentary about personalities (that originally spawned my first post) thats SO FuKIN "GAY" (no homo). What do I care that a boxer is an asshole honestly?? Am I trying to have him marry my daughter (perhaps some of you are "pimpin" out your kids like that) or speak to my Boy Scout troop?? No. Do what you do best, BOX>

To the "safety first" comment thats really funny. As mentioned, its amazing how "FLOYD" comes up in every thread damn near. So how is someone supposed box may I ask?? Always coming in trading blows?? Sighing...

King Eugene
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Aug 7 2008, 07:21 PM) [snapback]399537[/snapback]
Looks to me like you just love making assumptions about who I would pick in a fight & why. How is my opinion wrong? My opinion is that the best natural 140lber in history would beat PBF & I outlined why I think so.

As for your other comments about me picking a featherweight to beat PBF & a amateur with a lopsided losing record to beat Judah I don't even need to comment on such idiocy.

For the record I have a dislike of both guys bordering on outright hatred but I base my opinion on their skills in reality & their accomplishments in the ring.


Whoa whoa whoa dont get your panties in a whad. I NEVER SAID YOUR OPINION IS WRONG. Hell its your opinion you can say what you want. All I'm saying is I feel your opinions are bias just because you dont like either fighter as you stated above. And thats "MY OPINION". So no need for the name calling, lets act like we are grown ups and use our expanded vocabularies (for the ones who have them) and treat others with respect and not be Internet Thugs!
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(MarzB @ Aug 7 2008, 07:03 PM) [snapback]399541[/snapback]

And to end, I'm glad you have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Golden Boy, you apparently have far greater access to their operations than us 'regular' fans.

Feel free to enlighten us on anymore of the their operating procedures I for one would be fascinated to know more
!

First of all the hell with you and these little snarky ass comments. K.. Heres what "I KNOW". If you're the director of "Amateur Development" shouldn't you have made ONE appearance at the US boxing compound atleast?? There's this little thing called the OLYMPICS coming up you know.

Secondly if you truly believe as I said that he's more than a name then you know the express, I got some nice ocean front property to sell you. I'm glad you cherry picked that point though because I wanted to touch more on the puppet thing and I was going to base it on the sparring aspect. Sure Shane me be a 'gym rat' of which I have no problem with. Personally though I NEVER work for someone in that fashion (as a sparring partner) when A) I've been CHEATED by the greedy owner (referencing the disrespectful offer Oscar offered Shane for a 3rd fight. After his "FULL INVESTIGATION" comments). The keyword is "I" though perhaps Shane is more forgiving though.

But that tells me a lot about their relationship. Here I'll ask the grand question, what amateurs have Golden Boy brought along?? All they've done is monopolize HBO. Those are the facts, available to ANYONE that wants to know.
As far as the other commentary about personalities (that originally spawned my first post) thats SO FuKIN "GAY" (no homo). What do I care that a boxer is an asshole honestly?? Am I trying to have him marry my daughter (perhaps some of you are "pimpin" out your kids like that) or speak to my Boy Scout troop?? No. Do what you do best, BOX>

To the "safety first" comment thats really funny. As mentioned, its amazing how "FLOYD" comes up in every thread damn near. So how is someone supposed box may I ask?? Always coming in trading blows?? Sighing...



Well somebody's got their knickers in a twist.

Hey dude chill out, take five and pop one of the pills the doctor prescribed for you.

My question still stands, I'd love for you to enlighten me on the intimate goings on in the land of Golden Boy. Obviously your knowledge of the inner workings of their company is greater than mine, but you were so busy ranting you forgot to fill us in.

Once the red mist in your brain clears and your blood pressure returns to normal give us details. I'm assuming of course that you've worked for Golden Boy, know the details of Shane's contract, have sat in on fight negotiations, etc?

Gee this should be good........

spice718
This tooth thing is retarded......
Yes you guys are right Shane was afraid to fight Floyd because his tooth. Wow the secret is out. Yet he went rt back in for a rematch against Vernon.... Where he sustained his only knocked down in his career and a serious concussion. You guys are fkn genius.
If you watch the replay assholes you will see that he is concerned about the tooth because he just finished the fight 7 minutes before. It is after the fight that the body & mind register the damage that may have happened. Try fighting for 12 rounds then being asked questions immediately. He was happy to be finished with that fight let alone seriously consider when to fight again. You can say anything you want about Shane. Attack his style, his so called weak mind, his bullshit balco scandal, his over-bearing bitchy wife, him being a puppet, sparring partner AKA good friend. But one thing you can never say about him is that he ducked or was afraid of anyone. He will & would fight Floyd, Margarito, Cotto, Williams anytime, anywhere. Shit he would step up & fight a heavyweight if they asked him. I kid him about how Jet-Li & Jackie Chan would whoop his ass and he gets pissed telling me to see if they could set it up. I tell him Shaq would kill him due to size & he gets heated saying Shaq cant hit him. If Shane isn't shit else in anyones eyes one thing he is NOT is a punk. Shane was gone for 6 months the year he fought Vargas he wanted a break. Not so much physically but mentally those fights were draining.
As for mentally weak. We are all in some capacity mentally weak. Shane is mentally weak for chocolate, his kids, his family, his wife, his gadgets, his dog, his fans. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER is he mentally weak when it comes to ANYTHING BOXING. Not training, not his diet, not his seclusion, not his excercise and DAMN Sure NOT his opponents. Shane never doubts himself. Let him tell it and he will beat any & everybody that they put before him.
Your 100% right Ollie it is frustration they see. Shane wears his emotion on his sleeves. I can tell how he feels just by looking at his expression. But Yes Shane is a perfectionist and when things aren't going his way it irks him.
At the end of the day this is no longer an argument because Floyd retired NOT Shane. Who cares of the shoulda coulda woulda. What about now? People act like Floyd is a ticket like Oscar. NO! All due respect to Floyd he is an amazing fighter and I respect his motivation and dedication to training. But he retired without fighting those that the fan's & media thinks would of been his loss. So face facts & reality regarding this dumb argument. It's not where you been it's where your at. Shane is still here ready & willing as always to fight the best. Because its a challenge to him. A game. A passion.
As for the GBP structure. It is what it is. Shane & Bernard are not puppets. They can be as involved in the company as they want but still collect a check. That my friends is not puppetry. It's funny that these haters have to break everything down to some scam. When they all signed on to GBP everyone gave it 3 months. Well its almost 5 years later. HI HATER!!!!!!!
Hope this helps Ollie.......

QUOTE(the ollie reed fan club @ Aug 7 2008, 02:51 AM) [snapback]399453[/snapback]
I would like someone to clear this up for me once and for all (are you reading this Jin? Hint hint).

As my understanding of it was Shane always said going into the second Vargas fight that that would be his last fight for the year and that he was gonna take some time off to be with his family.

Now I'm 100% sure he said that BEFORE the fight took place.

After the fight as I recollect he was questioned about possibly fighting PBF as he'd just cleaned up Vargas again with minimium effort and he reconfirmed his earlier commitment to spend time with his family and that he had also had a sore tooth-of course everyone picked up on the tooth comment and so it's now become boxing legend that he turned down the fight because of the tooth.

I'm sure that's how it played out can, anybody verify this?

Mentally weak? Uummmm not sure about that either.

Remember he was losing the opening rounds of the first Oscar fight handily but managed to change strategy mid-fight (no small feat) and come home strong to win. I think you'd have to be mentally strong to do something like that.

I think what Shane somethimes exhibits in the ring is frustration rather than mental weakness when perhaps he can't unload his shots how he'd like. He strikes me as a bit of a perfectionist like that. Perhaps he should try less to exhibit his frustration to his opponents but hey that's splitting hairs in my humble opinion.

And to end, I'm glad you have an intimate knowledge of the inner workings of Golden Boy, you apparently have far greater access to their operations than us 'regular' fans.

Feel free to enlighten us on anymore of the their operating procedures I for one would be fascinated to know more!

woooooo
Haha, Shane said at the roundtable he would probably fight Vernon and Winky AGAIN.

Wasn't Shane rumored at one point to fight Bernard too?

Since when are people SCARED of Floyd? I always thought the tooth was a legimitate excuse/and or a response to his boss wanting to fight Mayweather too.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2003/more...inks.future.ap/
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(spice718 @ Aug 8 2008, 04:45 PM) [snapback]399624[/snapback]
This tooth thing is retarded......
Yes you guys are right Shane was afraid to fight Floyd because his tooth. Wow the secret is out. Yet he went rt back in for a rematch against Vernon.... Where he sustained his only knocked down in his career and a serious concussion. You guys are fkn genius.
If you watch the replay assholes you will see that he is concerned about the tooth because he just finished the fight 7 minutes before. It is after the fight that the body & mind register the damage that may have happened. Try fighting for 12 rounds then being asked questions immediately. He was happy to be finished with that fight let alone seriously consider when to fight again. You can say anything you want about Shane. Attack his style, his so called weak mind, his bullshit balco scandal, his over-bearing bitchy wife, him being a puppet, sparring partner AKA good friend. But one thing you can never say about him is that he ducked or was afraid of anyone. He will & would fight Floyd, Margarito, Cotto, Williams anytime, anywhere. Shit he would step up & fight a heavyweight if they asked him. I kid him about how Jet-Li & Jackie Chan would whoop his ass and he gets pissed telling me to see if they could set it up. I tell him Shaq would kill him due to size & he gets heated saying Shaq cant hit him. If Shane isn't shit else in anyones eyes one thing he is NOT is a punk. Shane was gone for 6 months the year he fought Vargas he wanted a break. Not so much physically but mentally those fights were draining.
As for mentally weak. We are all in some capacity mentally weak. Shane is mentally weak for chocolate, his kids, his family, his wife, his gadgets, his dog, his fans. NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER is he mentally weak when it comes to ANYTHING BOXING. Not training, not his diet, not his seclusion, not his excercise and DAMN Sure NOT his opponents. Shane never doubts himself. Let him tell it and he will beat any & everybody that they put before him.
Your 100% right Ollie it is frustration they see. Shane wears his emotion on his sleeves. I can tell how he feels just by looking at his expression. But Yes Shane is a perfectionist and when things aren't going his way it irks him.
At the end of the day this is no longer an argument because Floyd retired NOT Shane. Who cares of the shoulda coulda woulda. What about now? People act like Floyd is a ticket like Oscar. NO! All due respect to Floyd he is an amazing fighter and I respect his motivation and dedication to training. But he retired without fighting those that the fan's & media thinks would of been his loss. So face facts & reality regarding this dumb argument. It's not where you been it's where your at. Shane is still here ready & willing as always to fight the best. Because its a challenge to him. A game. A passion.
As for the GBP structure. It is what it is. Shane & Bernard are not puppets. They can be as involved in the company as they want but still collect a check. That my friends is not puppetry. It's funny that these haters have to break everything down to some scam. When they all signed on to GBP everyone gave it 3 months. Well its almost 5 years later. HI HATER!!!!!!!
Hope this helps Ollie.......


Cool, I suspected we would get a frank and 'to the point' reply regarding this.

(I'm assuming you don't think I'm the hater here.)

One other poster has also confirmed my take on this as well so I'm glad I'm not the only one who remembered it going down like that.

I do think there is one opponent Shane know's he can't be beat........that would have to be you. LOL. I'd pick you in 4 rounds or less!!!!!



Bhopreign
QUOTE(MarzB @ Aug 7 2008, 07:03 PM) [snapback]399541[/snapback]
[i]

Here I'll ask the grand question, what amateurs have Golden Boy brought along??


Ashanti Jordan, Seth Mitchell, Ricardo Tristan, Craig McEwan, Jermell Charlo, Danny Garcia, Michael Faragon, Hylon Williams, Juan Velasquez and to a smaller extent some others including Carlos Velasquez.
Fitz
Yep, I think it's absolutely laughable to suggest that Mosley doesn't want a part of Floyd and is ducking him.
King Eugene
Shane gets frustrated in some fights but he is still a good fighter!

AND AGAIN I ASK...........How did this go from a good article about him spending time with KT to him ducking opponents?
Correct me if I'm wrong but hasnt he attempted to avenge all his loses (even though he never won the rematch) except Cotto? Dont sound like he ducks or scared of anybody to me. Hell he cant go 3 for 3 loses in rematches.......I HOPE!
moscow bear
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 7 2008, 05:54 AM) [snapback]399442[/snapback]
Judah wasnt ruined by Tszyu...Judah never would have beaten Floyd.

Mitchell..that guy was always a B fighter.


yet you picked him to beat tszyu in the rematch?
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(MarzB @ Aug 6 2008, 10:15 PM) [snapback]399425[/snapback]
I also don't care for him actually trying to call out Floyd after fights were set already when a fight was offered to him and he blames his tooth. He's also forgetful that back when he beat DeLa Hoya, Floyd was calling him out then.

3king3 there's your answer. That's when the subject of Shane shitting his pants dreaming of the whipping Floyd would put on him came up.

Ha!

Funny thing is, Marz got it backwards. Mosley called out Floyd hardcore right after Floyd beat Oscar, when neither man had anything lined up. That's when he did the interview mocking Floyd's daddy issues and calling him a little boy, saying he was a grown man who would whip his ass. Floyd's response - through Ellerbe - was that he didn't fight sparring partners. Yeah right. Then when Hatton made his stupid little off-the-cuff remark about his fight with Castillo being more exciting than all of Floyd's fights combined, Floyd caught feelings and told Ellerbe to "make the fucking fight."

And check the way he says "when a fight was offered to him he blames his tooth". Like Mosley had a signed contract in front of him, when in reality it was 5 minutes after the Vargas fight and Merchant asked him in an open-ended way what was next. Floyd's the one who called out Mosley only after he knew Shane had said he was taking the year off. And as for Floyd calling out Shane back when he beat Oscar, well, when Shane beat Oscar at 147 in June 2000 Floyd was still fighting at 130. When Shane beat Oscar at 154 in September 03 Floyd was campaigning at 135. Lil Floyd didn't call out shit.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(moscow bear @ Aug 10 2008, 10:59 AM) [snapback]399870[/snapback]
yet you picked him to beat tszyu in the rematch?



Georgie Boy always gets delusional when it comes to Zab & he did pick Mitchel to beat Tszyu & do it easily from memory.

If you think he is delusional about Zab ask him about Hannah Montana.
BigG
QUOTE(moscow bear @ Aug 10 2008, 10:59 AM) [snapback]399870[/snapback]
yet you picked him to beat tszyu in the rematch?


As a matter of fact I did..I guess I didn't think much of tszy then...excuse me for that pick..I was young and ignorant then laugh.gif

But do you disagree with me that Mitchell was always a B level fighter?

If he's more than that then we better start giving Floyd more credit

STEVENSKI I may be delusional about Zab but your delusional for calling Tszyu the greatest 140 of all time. The greatest lost to Ricky Fatton haha.gif
STEVENSKI
Hey shut up biatch Herb. Go watch Hanna Montana & rite some poemz ok.gif

Styles make fights & so can referees. Tszyu was getting old & that whole situation was distasteful. Hatton won that fight through fouling & biased refereeing.
BigG
laugh.gif I wholeheartedly with you about hatton-Tszyu. I believe Tszyu-Mayweather is more comeptitive than Hatton for sure.
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Aug 10 2008, 07:41 PM) [snapback]399952[/snapback]
But do you disagree with me that Mitchell was always a B level fighter?

If he's more than that then we better start giving Floyd more credit

I think at his best Mitchell was better than a B level fighter. It seemed to me like he had put so much stock into the Tszyu rematch that to get blown apart the way he did kind of deflated him permanently. He knew that with all the excuses he had made for the first fight ending the way it did his credibility had been shot. I don't think mentally he was ever the same fighter again afterwards.

I was never a big fan of Sharmbe but he was in his prime a very good fighter.
D-MARV
Are we giving Tszyu credit for beating Mitchell and not giving Floyd Credit????

Just like we gave Collazo credit for losing to Hatton but didn't give Floyd credit for dominating Hatton...
Shit, why prolly should give Tszyu credit for loisng to Hatton as well. He took every ounce of fight from Hatton before Floyd fought him...LOL

MAYWEATHER>TSZYU
Big Slim Sweet
QUOTE(damarvelous1 @ Aug 11 2008, 10:34 AM) [snapback]400062[/snapback]
Are we giving Tszyu credit for beating Mitchell and not giving Floyd Credit????

Not me I'm just saying I think a lot of the fight went out of Mitchell after Tszyu obliterated him in their rematch.

Mayweather tore Mitchell up too and looked great doing it but I don't think he was in with the same guy mentally.
Fitz
QUOTE(Big Slim @ Aug 12 2008, 01:43 AM) [snapback]400064[/snapback]
Not me I'm just saying I think a lot of the fight went out of Mitchell after Tszyu obliterated him in their rematch.

Mayweather tore Mitchell up too and looked great doing it but I don't think he was in with the same guy mentally.


Absolutely. Tszyu made Mitchell go from #1 contender and favourite to become undisputed champion at 140 to gate keeper at best. It would be stupid to even suggest that Mitchell that fought Mayweather is the same guy prior to Tszyu. Even if it's just mentally. Mentally is a huge, huge part in boxing.
BigG
QUOTE(Fitz @ Aug 11 2008, 04:28 PM) [snapback]400066[/snapback]
Absolutely. Tszyu made Mitchell go from #1 contender and favourite to become undisputed champion at 140 to gate keeper at best. It would be stupid to even suggest that Mitchell that fought Mayweather is the same guy prior to Tszyu. Even if it's just mentally. Mentally is a huge, huge part in boxing.


Fitz, do you believe Mitchell would have been more competitve pre Tszyu loss? I don't think so. I think he was really motivated for the Floyd fight and he got dealt with by a much more skilled and superior fighter.

Anyway, Mitchell is not even one of Floyd's biggest wins.
D-MARV
Personally, I think Tszyu was a great fighter... But when it comes to careers and accomplishments, there's no comparison to Floyd Mayweather!
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