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Williams ready for 160 debut!
WBO welterweight champion Paul Williams (34-1, 25 KOs) temporarily moves up to the middleweight division on September 25 at Soboba Casino in San Jacinto, California. "The Punisher" will take on Andy Kolle (17-1, 12 KOs). "I'm just ready to get in the ring and prove to everybody what I can do in different weight classes," said Williams today. "The only prediction I'm going to make is that I'm going to win." Kolle stated he didn't take this fight to be an opponent. "I believe I can win this fight," he commented. In the co-feature, unbeaten heavyweight contender Cristobal Arreola (24-0, 21 KOs) returns against Israel “King Kong” Garcia (19-1, 11 KOs). The card will be televised by VERSUS Network.
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Can't wait for this fight. Lets go Andy Kolle! He has a tough task ahead of him, but he's improved a lot in the last two years. I personally think its really dumb for Williams to move up TWO weight classes to take on a southpaw natural middleweight. I hope Kolle pulls of the upset, and he has a chance.
AussieLad
Williams is a monster sized welter. I think having moved up to middle will effectively end his ability to make 147 in the future. At best he will be able to cut back to 154, but his days as a welter are over IMO
JonnyBlaze
Anyone got any pics of Williams at 160??
King Eugene
I think Williams has the potential to be the next big thing in boxing!
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(3King3 @ Sep 17 2008, 08:35 PM) [snapback]404560[/snapback]
I think Williams has the potential to be the next big thing in boxing!

He does,but I don't think at middleweight..He should stay at WW or JM..I don't see Williams beating Pavlik..I would like to see A.Abraham vs. Williams at middle though..I have been a BIG Williams fan since his debut on TV soo I hope to see him go far..

I also hope to see Andre Berto do the same,since I have also seen him since his TV debut..Andre Berto's style of fighting is one of my favorites I've seen in awhile..I can't get enough of his jab..I really hope to see a Berto/Williams fight sometime next year after Berto gets a few more bigger fights under his belt..I just hope Williams goes back to WW like he says he is going to..Williams has the height/reach advantage and Berto has a mad speed advantage which would help him get on the inside better..It's a big size difference but still a fight to really think about..Williams is quick but is no Berto in speed..I'm real curious to see what you guys think of that match up..
BigG
QUOTE(3King3 @ Sep 18 2008, 01:35 AM) [snapback]404560[/snapback]
I think Williams has the potential to be the next big thing in boxing!


I'm not really a fan or hater but I don't see Williams being the next big thing in boxing..
JaRaNDa
I don't like the idea that Williams is fighting Kolle at all as he plans on moving back down to welter anyways. It just occured to me then while reading the posts above that his moving up 2 divisions and not 1 like I originally thought for some reason. I think this fight can bring more harm than good, so he wins at middleweight!?...but moves back down. I don't see how gaining weight to move up 2 divisions then come back down in your next fight can be good for your body! It's not like this fight has any significance or it's for a major title! There is a good possibility he looks very ordinary at middleweight.
I do beleive also that Williams has the potential to be the next big thing in boxing, I'm a fan of his but beleive there is still room for improvment with him. Let's hope this move up to middleweight ends good and does not ruin him.
streetlion1
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Sep 17 2008, 10:43 PM) [snapback]404579[/snapback]
I'm not really a fan or hater but I don't see Williams being the next big thing in boxing..

Agree....his defense isnt very good. I dont see him lasting too long at 160!

Or 147 for that matter once he gets in there with someone who can box.
salvador
QUOTE(JaRaNDa @ Sep 18 2008, 03:49 AM) [snapback]404585[/snapback]
I don't like the idea that Williams is fighting Kolle at all as he plans on moving back down to welter anyways. It just occured to me then while reading the posts above that his moving up 2 divisions and not 1 like I originally thought for some reason. I think this fight can bring more harm than good, so he wins at middleweight!?...but moves back down. I don't see how gaining weight to move up 2 divisions then come back down in your next fight can be good for your body! It's not like this fight has any significance or it's for a major title! There is a good possibility he looks very ordinary at middleweight.
I do beleive also that Williams has the potential to be the next big thing in boxing, I'm a fan of his but beleive there is still room for improvment with him. Let's hope this move up to middleweight ends good and does not ruin him.


I think he walks around at 170+, so fighting at 160 and moving back down to ww won't be anything new.
BigG
OMG, Paul Williams just layed that guy OUT!

KO 1
D-MARV
Easy Work. PWILL kept his speed and brought some Pwer!!! That was a good look...



but he was fighting a bum!
FenderDG3
I know Kolle isn't an upper tier fighter, but that was quite a statement "the Punisher" made tonight. I thought it would take Williams a little bit of time to get into a grove, but kind of like the 2nd Quintana fight he wasn't wasting any time.
hardhead
WOW he fucking blasted this dude out the water. I had never seen Kolle and didn't know much about him other than that he fought Ward and gave him a tough fight and figured it was just a tune up but damn, The Punisher looked sharp and powerful in there...
D-MARV
Im not ready to say he'll beat Pavlik but a year or 2 from now it could be a special fight!
hardhead
It's a slaughterhouse in there tonight(Wilson).
JonnyBlaze
Double right hook,straight left=good night Kolle
JD
I know everyone is excited right now after watching Williams destroy Kolle...but Kelly Pavlik will handle the Punisher now or in two years.

Pavlik is wrong for him.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(JD @ Sep 25 2008, 09:56 PM) [snapback]405247[/snapback]
I know everyone is excited right now after watching Williams destroy Kolle...but Kelly Pavlik will handle the Punisher now or in two years.

Pavlik is wrong for him.

I've been saying that since he decided to move up to 160 for this fight..Pavlik is a beast whether you like him or not..Also,Pavlik is not one-dimensional like I think some of you might say in reply to this..Pavlik has every punch he needs and is very smart for throwing mostly the jab and straight right on the outside..If you throw left hooks or uppercuts on the outside it leaves you open for counter shots..Pavlik is a very very smart fighter who sometimes likes to bang it out..He is quite easy to lure into a war,like Holyfield..They are both smart when at war but Pavlik isn't always thinking at those times like Holy would be and Pav. can get caught..
BigG
QUOTE(hardhead @ Sep 26 2008, 02:31 AM) [snapback]405241[/snapback]
WOW he fucking blasted this dude out the water. I had never seen Kolle and didn't know much about him other than that he fought Ward and gave him a tough fight and figured it was just a tune up but damn, The Punisher looked sharp and powerful in there...



Nah, Ward toyed with Kolle. It wasn't competitive..
KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN
Yea, tough luck for Kolle. I'm a homer for MN fighters, so what can I say. That was a brutal shot that landed on Kolle, and I'm glad he's alright. He's a good fighter who was starting to get his career on track with wins over Vanda and Jonathon Reid. Much props to him for stepping up like this and taking this kind of fight. He could of stayed in Duluth and fight handpicked bums, then get a ranking. He didn't though, and took on a really tough challenge. Ain't no shame in that. He's got plenty of fight waiting for him in MN, like a Vanda rematch or a Kenny Kost fight. He can get back in line, and get another shot at a bigger type fight.

Paul Williams impressed me tonight moving up two weight classes. He looked big in there, and I think he could compete at middleweight. Whether he's ready for Kelly Pavlik is another question, but he could definitely compete anywhere from 147-160. We'll see what his next move is, but he's for sure marketable with two first round knockouts in his last two fights. I'd love to see a rematch with Margarito.
Fitz
I'm one of the few that gave Williams a shot against Pavlik before this fight (haven't seen this) and after. Not sure who I would pick for sure, but not a simple pick for me. I still think Williams is shown little respect in this match up. Pavlik, meh. He is ok. Strong with size.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(KYLE THEEE SPINKS FAN @ Sep 25 2008, 11:59 PM) [snapback]405259[/snapback]
Yea, tough luck for Kolle. I'm a homer for MN fighters, so what can I say. That was a brutal shot that landed on Kolle, and I'm glad he's alright. He's a good fighter who was starting to get his career on track with wins over Vanda and Jonathon Reid. Much props to him for stepping up like this and taking this kind of fight. He could of stayed in Duluth and fight handpicked bums, then get a ranking. He didn't though, and took on a really tough challenge. Ain't no shame in that. He's got plenty of fight waiting for him in MN, like a Vanda rematch or a Kenny Kost fight. He can get back in line, and get another shot at a bigger type fight.

Paul Williams impressed me tonight moving up two weight classes. He looked big in there, and I think he could compete at middleweight. Whether he's ready for Kelly Pavlik is another question, but he could definitely compete anywhere from 147-160. We'll see what his next move is, but he's for sure marketable with two first round knockouts in his last two fights. I'd love to see a rematch with Margarito.

Williams did look big to me too..Especially his shoulders..Pavlik/Williams would be a really exciting fight to watch but I gotta give it to Pavlik..I'm glad he is going back to 147 though,hopefully some guys will step up to the plate to fight him..I'd really want to see a Williams/Berto,Cotto,Margarito,Mosley,Clottey fight..I think of all those I'd want to see him fight Berto the most..I'm a real big Berto and Williams fan and have been since they showed up on TV..I wonder how Berto would deal with Williams height/reach and I wonder how Williams would deal with Berto's style and speed..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 26 2008, 01:23 AM) [snapback]405279[/snapback]
I'm one of the few that gave Williams a shot against Pavlik before this fight (haven't seen this) and after. Not sure who I would pick for sure, but not a simple pick for me. I still think Williams is shown little respect in this match up. Pavlik, meh. He is ok. Strong with size.

Pavlik isn't one to under estimate anyone
BigG
Williams didn't look different at 160. I still think Pavlik would win but it might be more competitive than I thought. We'll see. I got Pavlik by KO if it ever happens.
Fitz
QUOTE(JonnyBlaze @ Sep 26 2008, 04:27 PM) [snapback]405284[/snapback]
Pavlik isn't one to under estimate anyone


Yeah, I didn't say that he under estimates anyone. Just not nearly impressed with him as much as others. I think he is fairly beatable. Like I have said, he looks like walking aids.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 26 2008, 01:42 AM) [snapback]405289[/snapback]
Yeah, I didn't say that he under estimates anyone. Just not nearly impressed with him as much as others. I think he is fairly beatable. Like I have said, he looks like walking aids.

I'm wondering what weaknesses do you see in Pavlik??I think his biggest weakness is his williness to go to war..I think he is a really smart fighter though..I like how he stays with the jab and straight on the outside and leaves everything else on the inside..I do the same..
Fitz
I just find him pretty slow and kind of predictable. In the second fight, Jermaine Taylor outboxed him comfortably and countered him easily (not saying I thought Taylor won), but the problem is that Taylor doesn't have great stamina at all and when he wasn't punching he got beat and unfortunately for him there were more times where he wasn't punching which meant Pavlik won.
I just thought that when Taylor was punching and moving, he was beating Pavlik very easy second time around. I don't know, I just don't think Pavlik is great at all. A strong and game fighter, but other than that, I don't think he is A class.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 26 2008, 02:20 AM) [snapback]405294[/snapback]
I just find him pretty slow and kind of predictable. In the second fight, Jermaine Taylor outboxed him comfortably and countered him easily (not saying I thought Taylor won), but the problem is that Taylor doesn't have great stamina at all and when he wasn't punching he got beat and unfortunately for him there were more times where he wasn't punching which meant Pavlik won.
I just thought that when Taylor was punching and moving, he was beating Pavlik very easy second time around. I don't know, I just don't think Pavlik is great at all. A strong and game fighter, but other than that, I don't think he is A class.

Actually before the first Pavlik/Taylor fight I talked to my friend Darnell Wilson who fought both of them in the amateurs..He beat Taylor twice and lost to Pavlik..Darnell is a slick type of fighter too and is pretty hard to hit flush..He told me he thought Pavlik had the edge since he can throw straighter straight punches..Which I agree..Taylor bends his elbow a lot before he throws his straight right which makes the punch easier to see(kinda like Vic D.,except Taylor doesn't hold it up ready to throw like that)..Taylor does have good speed though I think..Darnell also said Pavlik is something different when fighting him then watching him..His right hand comes quicker then ya think..I think Pavlik switches his speed of his punches a lot too..Actually Darnell was the only person I knew of who said Pavlik was going to win..My trainers and everyone else said Taylor..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 26 2008, 04:35 AM) [snapback]405307[/snapback]
Well, there are fighters like that who don't look good on the eye and are tricky when you fight them. But yeah I haven't been in the ring with Pavlik and wouldn't want to, but on what I see, I'm not overly impressed. But I suppose I can't say too much as he is still undefeated and it's just kind of a waiting game.
I just don't rate his skills and I don't think his wins are great also.
His best wins are Miranda and Taylor:
Miranda: He is an exciting fighter that has a very good punch. Solid win, but not top notch

Taylor: He was in a very close and tough fight and until the KO, it was a close. I'm just not as worked up over the win as others. Hopkins, Spinks and Wright already beat him in many peoples eyes and Ouma gave him all he can handle. The only difference is that those guys didn't have the power or the output (Hopkins) to end it, but they did more or less the same.
But yeah, good on Pavlik he had the tools to end it and it's a decent win as well. I also just didn't rate it as high when we had seen Taylor in those fights before and his stock has already dropped BIG time before the Pavlik fight. People were now aware that Taylor wasn't as special as people originally thought.
For the record, I picked Taylor the first time around. I had only seen 2 Pavlik fights until then and while I didn't think either fighter was A class, I did think Taylor was a little better. Turned out I was wrong though.
Also for the record, you probably weren't around boards, but you're trainer definitely wasn't in the minority on picking Pavlik. Like I said, fans knew that Taylor had been exposed to some extent and his whiskers were already suspect as he hadn't faced a true puncher up until the time, got outworked by Hopkins late in the first fight and hurt and got backed up by fighters that didn't seem as big on him. The questions were already surrounding him. A lot of smart guys on here and they picked Pavlik to knock Taylor out. Look at this poll and you can see that Pavlik by KO was the most popular pick (though Taylor edged him slightly on the overall poll by about 2)

http://www.fighthype.com/community/index.p...6&hl=Pavlik

The poll results are definitely interesting..I think everyone who thought Pav would win was soley based on the Miranda fight..I don't think many other people saw any of his other fights besides that one..Thanks for the poll results..
Nay_Sayer
Just saw the fight. I'd be surprised if we see Williams and Margarito in the ring anytime soon.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 26 2008, 05:17 AM) [snapback]405312[/snapback]
I can't speak for everyone, but I think a lot of the hardcore boxing fans in the states would have followed him before the Miranda fight. I actually remember some guys being high on him prior to that fight (may have been Avon). I definitely remember hearing his name tossed around before.
I hadn't seen much of him because in Australia we only ever get access to espn fights and PPV's. Hard to see everything else.

I had seen a couple of his fights prior to Taylor but I think everyone thought Taylor was a beast after fighting some of the best guys at 160 like Winky,B-Hop,and guys like that..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 27 2008, 10:02 AM) [snapback]405391[/snapback]
I thought his stock went down fighting those guys.

Not most people..I really liked the Winky fight..Taylor fought all the guys noone wanted to based on they were soo confusing to fight like B-Hop,Winky,and Spinks..All 3 of those guys are known for making people look bad so ya gotta give Taylor credit for deciding to fight them over guys he'd look better against..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 27 2008, 10:02 AM) [snapback]405391[/snapback]
I thought his stock went down fighting those guys.

I also think he gained a lot of really important experience..He showed he can be versatile..
salvador
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 27 2008, 09:27 PM) [snapback]405431[/snapback]
On this board, I would say most people thought his stock went down after Hopkins, Wright, Spinks and Ouma fights.


I don't think there was anyone on this board who wasn't out of his chair screaming when he had Pavlik on the canvas.

JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 27 2008, 08:27 PM) [snapback]405431[/snapback]
On this board, I would say most people thought his stock went down after Hopkins, Wright, Spinks and Ouma fights.

Spinks and Ouma were jokes..The Hopkins and Wright fights were legit though in my opinion..Even though they were both well past their primes,they will always be competitive..How did his stock go down after Hopkins??No one had beaten Hopkins in over 10 years before Taylor..
BigG
Spinks is no joke..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Sep 28 2008, 01:02 AM) [snapback]405584[/snapback]
Spinks is no joke..

At 140,147,and 154 he isn't AT ALL..I didn't like seeing him at middleweight..I'm not downplaying him,since I do like him but I just don't want him at middleweight..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 28 2008, 01:25 AM) [snapback]405598[/snapback]

17 said Taylor would win some way and 15 said Pavlik..Soo Taylor was the majority..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 28 2008, 03:03 AM) [snapback]405618[/snapback]

Forgot we were talkin about gettin KO'd..All together Taylor was picked to win though..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 28 2008, 03:13 AM) [snapback]405621[/snapback]
I'm not arguing that. It was close to a pick em fight. A LOT of people were picking Taylor to get knocked out.

Like I said, how many fighters do you know that would have wins over Hopkins twice, Wright, Spinks and Ouma, be undefeated and still be heavily picked to get knocked out? Not many, but like I said Taylor managed that.
There are threads on this very forum. Read on the thoughts on Taylor before and after the first Hopkins fight and then read the opinions straight after the Spinks fight. I can guarantee that a lot of people had a worse opinion of him after those wins.
I was basing this on what has been written by fans on this board, you are basing yours on just your coach who was the only person you knew who picked Pavlik, while many here did the same. I just think it is evident that many people thought Taylor got evidently worst from fight to fight, rather than improving. Whether it was because Steward was bad for him or not, I don't know but he got worse and a lot of people saw it.

Yeah,really weird statistics..I thought it was going to be a good fight but I didn't expect it to end the way it did..Actually my friend Darnell Wilson who fought Taylor and Pavlik in the amateurs was the guy who picked Pavlik..My old trainer picked Taylor but didn't know much of Pavlik..Pavlik just appeared out of nowhere to a lot of people who would only watch big fights..I like to watch any fight!!

I see what you're saying now..I think Taylor may have looked worse from fight to fight but he also was fighting guys who are crafty..He picked all the wrong fight for him,then picked Pavlik who was a complete opposite from his norm. of the last 2 years..I think I think I got things mixed up about the comment that his stock lowered..
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