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The CEO
I think it was close, but McCain got him....he came off as the more knowledgable candidate and used a good amount of condescension...

In fact....he showed very little, if any, respect to Obama...pretty much didn't even look at him....as if Obama wasn't a worthy opponent.


What y'all think?
PR316
With all due respect of course, I wholeheartedly disagree.


Obama IMO was the one who showed more what a leader should be. He came across more confident, clearer with his thoughts, and concise. He never strayed off topic unlike McCain, who couldn't even bring himself to look Obama in the eyes. McCain would get asked a question in response to an answer from Obama and he would always seem to dig into his past war stories and about how 'unRepublican' he supposedly has been in the senate in his 26 years despite the fact that his voting record shows otherwise.


Obama was the one who came across more knowledgeable, more prepared, and kept his cool better. In particular when the issues of the war with Iraq, unfinished business in Afghanistan, and the meeting of world leaders came up, McCain would often just roll his eyes, laugh, mutter, and deflect everything to his war experirences and time in the Senate. There's a way to challenge your opponent without coming off like a bitter old man. And there are better ways to answer questions than just constantly speaking about your own war experiences, overseas trips, and constant mentioning of meetings with General Patreas and talking to soldiers.


The only criticism I have on Obama is that he could have been a little more aggressive in the end of the debate but preferred to play it safe, probably thinking he had it won already, which is smart because there are still 2 more debates to go.

Bottom line is that this was supposed to be McCain's strong hold and he lost in the eyes of most already. He needed a convincing victory here and he didn't get it.
The CEO
I like it when people start their post "With all due respect ofcourse..."....makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside....lol

Obama is definitely a smooth operator....he's normally an excellent public speaker who keeps his cool and presents himself well as a leader....but he WAS stammering alot last night....and I just don't see where he showed he was the more knowledgable of the two....plus, he also conceded that McCain was "absolutely right" way too many times....

It's my understanding that the rule on that is to not say your opponent is right more than 2 times....you can say it once or twice to show that you're not closed off.....but technically, you're not supposed to say your opponent is right at all in a debate scenario....

and for the record...I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet....I still have research to do...but I have to say this....McCain is pretty damn old...he could kick the bucket in office....and I REALLY don't like the idea of an inexperienced woman representing us and running the show....
AKay
I think it was a draw. Which really means Obama wins it. Seeing as how this was supposed to be foreign policy which is McCains strong point he didn't score a KO. I want to see the remaining debates and i feel both will make changes to thier debate styles but i dont think this debate will tip the scales in either candidates favor.

I am still torn between which candidate to vote for or if I will even vote. I am just glad I make $249,999.99 salary.



JD
Neither man won.

For as much as everyone wants Obama to be Bill Clinton or JFK, he just isn't. He came off OK, and held his own on foreign policy issues.

McCain is clearly more knowledgeable on foreign policy issues and that showed, but he needs help on domestic policy issues and just seems to be getting older and older.

Call it a draw with neither guy having a big moment and each of them getting under the others skin a bit.
The CEO
A draw is a fair assessment....but if I HAD to give to someone...I'd give it to McCain...

Taking away their party labels and fundamentals, this matchup is basically the old and wise veteran versus the young and charismatic rookie....

As already stated....they're weren't any knockout punches....but McCain certainly knocked Obama's experience down...and he HAS to keep harping on that if he wants to have a chance....on the other hand, I'm thinking that all Obama needs to do is go on cruise control with the "change" angle....because that's exactly what the people want to hear right now....

The general feeling I'm getting is that Obama's gonna win this Presidency.....
Spyder
I didn't watch the whole thing, but I did see a big chunk of it. From what I saw, McCain had Obama flapped up the majority of the time.

McCain would dismiss Obama's ideas and policies, and then Obama would try to interupt to "correct the record". Anikan was getting schooled by Yoda, and when he realized it he tried to stop it.

It's like he saw the punches coming and couldn't get out of the way, so he tried calling a timeout.

That's my observation of their debate styles. As far as content...it's pretty obvious that McCain is better versed on foreign policy issues, and the disparity in knowledge was very apparent last night.

Obama's only chance in this thing is to give the appearance of being accessable to the people. The "change" thing was good at the start, but people are getting bored and wise to it. It's time to switch it up, and play the part of "Hey I'm just like you. I'm an everyday guy, with a family, trying to chase the American dream." And THAT is his biggest obstacle...he doesn't give off the vibe that he's proud to be American, and that he shares the "dream".

If he can change that perception, then he might win this thing. If not, McCain will be our next president by a sizeable margin.
salvador
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Sep 27 2008, 09:58 AM) [snapback]405385[/snapback]
I like it when people start their post "With all due respect ofcourse..."....makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside....lol


'I'm not a racist or anything, but Jesus Christ ......................." rolleyes.gif

I blown away by how so many people thought McCain even held his own, much less won. I think both guys are liars and neither one is even pretending that he will confront the fact that we're $53 trillion in debt and that the Baby Boomers become eligible for social security next year, but whatever. The bottom line is that Obama is clearly smarter, more thoughtful, and would make us look great abroad - and all that was painfully obvious last night.





The CEO
QUOTE(salvador @ Sep 27 2008, 12:08 PM) [snapback]405399[/snapback]
'I'm not a racist or anything, but Jesus Christ ......................." rolleyes.gif


Am I missing something with this statement? I didn't get much sleep last night...I'm tired and hungry....but did you just insinuate that I'm a racist..?



salvador
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Sep 27 2008, 12:20 PM) [snapback]405402[/snapback]
Am I missing something with this statement? I didn't get much sleep last night...I'm tired and hungry....but did you just insinuate that I'm a racist..?


of course not

All I'm saying is that the statement is very similar to the "With all due respect" line in that it covers the speaker for the nastiness that's sure to follow, and it's very common.

Douchebag
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Sep 27 2008, 12:20 PM) [snapback]405402[/snapback]
Am I missing something with this statement? I didn't get much sleep last night...I'm tired and hungry....but did you just insinuate that I'm a racist..?



I think he was talking about your Momma. You better handle that.
The CEO
QUOTE(salvador @ Sep 27 2008, 12:35 PM) [snapback]405403[/snapback]
of course not

All I'm saying is that the statement is very similar to the "With all due respect" line in that it covers the speaker for the nastiness that's sure to follow, and it's very common.



lol...ok then....that's true...

I wasn't even thinking about it that way when PR used it.....we usually share the same opinions on fights and fighters, and we've always gotten along on here....I knew he wasn't gonna get nasty....


QUOTE(The Conscience @ Sep 27 2008, 12:37 PM) [snapback]405404[/snapback]
I think he was talking about your Momma. You better handle that.


I wish somebody WOULD talk about my momma....lol


and I don't think you know this, Conscience....but no one can go after a momma like me....I get straight ruthless with it...I don't care if their momma's six feet deep...I will desecrate memories and alllll that shit.

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rusty_trombone
I didn't watch the debate, because it's all recycled BS a this point. McCain is just a laughable pick for president, Palin is just ridiculous. Obama, at least is in touch, but that's really it.

It's funny McCain's big advantage is "foreign policy experience", I don't know if any of you have paid attention but the foreign policy of this government has been shit for quite some time now. Who the fuck cares about his "experience", if all he's experienced in is making bad decisions. Shit, his chief advisers are the ones that deregulated every industry, the main reason of the financial extravaganza we are currently in. WTF good does being having experience being wrong do for us? And now suddenly he's a socialist. Yay!

You might be rolling the dice with Obama, but you know you're getting shit with McCain. What a great predicament.
PR316
QUOTE(The C.E.O. @ Sep 27 2008, 01:58 PM) [snapback]405385[/snapback]
I like it when people start their post "With all due respect ofcourse..."....makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside....lol

Obama is definitely a smooth operator....he's normally an excellent public speaker who keeps his cool and presents himself well as a leader....but he WAS stammering alot last night....and I just don't see where he showed he was the more knowledgable of the two....plus, he also conceded that McCain was "absolutely right" way too many times....

It's my understanding that the rule on that is to not say your opponent is right more than 2 times....you can say it once or twice to show that you're not closed off.....but technically, you're not supposed to say your opponent is right at all in a debate scenario....

and for the record...I'm not sure who I'm voting for yet....I still have research to do...but I have to say this....McCain is pretty damn old...he could kick the bucket in office....and I REALLY don't like the idea of an inexperienced woman representing us and running the show....


Awww.... Your getting sentimental... LOL...


Obama actually does stutter every now and then. Its nothing huge but I've noticed it.

To me, Obama was more clear and to the point with his thoughts. Yes he definitely side stepped the question about what would he cut in terms of stopping unnecessary spending, but McCain wasn't too clear either. But other than that and towards the end of the debate, he HAMMERED McCain on his record, particularly the things he said about the Iraq War, and how he wants to keep tax cuts for the wealthy and oil companies and somehow expect to change things with that(Not to mention McCain saying our economy was good not too long ago), and called McCain out on his blatant lie that Kissinger didn't say that he would meet with world leaders without pre conditions(CNN even aired a clip of Kissinger saying he would do JUST THAT)...

McCain was often indignant and made funny faces whenever Obama countered his points, and he was noticeably irritated whenever Obama would make eye contact and speak DIRECTLY to him. I think Obama got under his skin and it showed when the moderator would try to tell them lets move on and he would try to continue on with his tired old war stories and meetings with General Patreas and typical Republican nonsense and basically offered that he wants to fix things by continuing to go in the same direction we've been. Often times I would be asking myself "Did he even answer the question?!!"


But he did get better towards the end and actually started to give clear and concise answers which is what he should have done rather than offer what he did throughout.

The VP debate is going to be something else.
JonnyBlaze
Both were good..Mccain was trying to pick Obama apart while Obama was willing to agree with Mccain on things..I really liked that Obama was doing his own thing and not try to get on Mccain for everything he said..They both had pros and cons..I score it a draw..
Spyder
QUOTE(JonnyBlaze @ Sep 28 2008, 03:49 AM) [snapback]405615[/snapback]
Both were good..Mccain was trying to pick Obama apart while Obama was willing to agree with Mccain on things..I really liked that Obama was doing his own thing and not try to get on Mccain for everything he said..They both had pros and cons..I score it a draw..

That's true. McCain was on the offensive the whole time, while Obama was on his bicycle. It kind of reminded me of the Hopkins-Hakkar fight...

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scottmason1
QUOTE(JD @ Sep 27 2008, 10:58 AM) [snapback]405390[/snapback]
Neither man won.

For as much as everyone wants Obama to be Bill Clinton or JFK, he just isn't. He came off OK, and held his own on foreign policy issues.

McCain is clearly more knowledgeable on foreign policy issues and that showed, but he needs help on domestic policy issues and just seems to be getting older and older.

Call it a draw with neither guy having a big moment and each of them getting under the others skin a bit.


That sounds about right.

-SM
scottmason1
QUOTE(salvador @ Sep 27 2008, 12:08 PM) [snapback]405399[/snapback]
'I'm not a racist or anything, but Jesus Christ ......................." rolleyes.gif

I blown away by how so many people thought McCain even held his own, much less won. I think both guys are liars and neither one is even pretending that he will confront the fact that we're $53 trillion in debt and that the Baby Boomers become eligible for social security next year, but whatever. The bottom line is that Obama is clearly smarter, more thoughtful, and would make us look great abroad - and all that was painfully obvious last night.



I agree with the assertion that both guys are liars who aren't addressing the real issues, but I must have been sleeping when Obama did all this stuff that was so "painfully obvious" to you.

-SM
salvador
QUOTE(scottmason1 @ Sep 29 2008, 03:53 PM) [snapback]405820[/snapback]
I agree with the assertion that both guys are liars who aren't addressing the real issues, but I must have been sleeping when Obama did all this stuff that was so "painfully obvious" to you.

-SM


I'm voting for McCain because I'm afraid that Obama, who'll have a democratic congress, is going to spend us into oblivion, and so I hope to hope to hell that you're not alone. All I saw when I watched that debate was an old man playing old school politics for the 70+ crowd (I'm kind of surprised that flag burning never came up), pushing all the buttons like a talking monkey on a talk show, and Obama giving articulate and thoughtful answers.

I keep thinking that McCain and Palin (this thursday will be the official end to the horse race) should just send their advisors out to these debates, cause God knows they're going to be relying heavily on them if elected.
PR316
Its as if John McCain just KNOWS he's going to lose the election. Because of all the people he could have picked as a running mate, and he picks Palin???... Sarah fuckin Palin!!... Are you serious??!!...


It must be absolutely KILLING him now by the way things have started to roll.


As far as a prediction goes, in order for McCain to be able to mathematically win on the the electoral college, he's going to need at least ONE of Pennsylvania and New York. New York is no chance at all, so he needs to campaign HARD in Pennsylvania and try and get that one because I think the other states are more or less decided now.
rusty_trombone
I cannot wait for the VP debate. It should be a laugh out loud riot. I might vote republican, in hopes that McCain dies and we get Palin as president, because she might be the only one that would be able to be as entertaining as the current moron who has the job. Shit, this country is so fucked up anyway, i doubt anyone will fix that shit anyway. I'd rather be entertained as the ship sinks.

Hell, if Obama wins, maybe Palin could run as the first US 'court jester'. Or I guess she could just be press secretary, thats what that job has been reduced to now anyway.
scottmason1
QUOTE(salvador @ Sep 29 2008, 04:45 PM) [snapback]405822[/snapback]
I'm voting for McCain because I'm afraid that Obama, who'll have a democratic congress, is going to spend us into oblivion, and so I hope to hope to hell that you're not alone. All I saw when I watched that debate was an old man playing old school politics for the 70+ crowd (I'm kind of surprised that flag burning never came up), pushing all the buttons like a talking monkey on a talk show, and Obama giving articulate and thoughtful answers.

I keep thinking that McCain and Palin (this thursday will be the official end to the horse race) should just send their advisors out to these debates, cause God knows they're going to be relying heavily on them if elected.



Salvador - I viewed it somewhat similar to the way JD did - I thought Obama came off better on domestic policy and McCain came off better on foreign policy. Keep in mind, I actually agree with McCain more on domestic policy and Obama more on foreign policy, but I am voting for neither one of them, so I tried to watch the debate in the mindset of "Putting aside my views, if I was an undecided voter, what would I think?"

I thought Obama had McCain on the defensive the entire time on domestic policy. Obama played the class envy card true to form and McCain had no defense for it. McCain's problem is that instead of explaining why taxes need to be cut for EVERYBODY (yes, even those evil rich people) in order for it to help the economy, instead of explaining why HSAs are far superior to government mandated coverage, instead of explaining why Obama's tax plan is not only ridiculous, but impossible, etc...... he was so desperate not to look like a mean old rich guy, that all he did was backpeddle and complain about earmarks. In light of the current economic crisis, McCain is trying so hard not to be seen as one of those evil "deregulators" (it was actually regulation and the federal reserve that caused this mess, but whatever) that he is flopping like crazy trying to find a middle ground between Milton Friedman and John Maynard Keynes and it is making him look like a complete fool.

I think Obama performed slightly better on foreign policy than McCain did on domestic policy, but it was here that McCain landed the heavier shots. Putting aside my own personal views and looking at it from a centrist point of view, McCain came off as somebody who has a wealth of experience, has been around the world, met with leaders, been involved in conflicts, etc.... and Obama came off very professorial - smart, but grounded more in things he's studied and read than real life experience. It was like listening to my grandfather, who was in the Navy, debate my Aunt, who is a teacher with a whole bunch of masters degrees. Again, I actually agreed with Obama on these issues more than McCain, but I thought McCain came off as much more authoritative.

I share your fear of an Obama Presidency with a Democratic Congress.........I mean, if there was a Republican Congress, we'd have some checks and balances......we've seen what happens when one party has all the control and it's not good. I could rehash my own views on why both guys are dangerous, but I've done that to death already on these forums, so we'll just suffice it to say that I don't like our chances with either guy very much at all.

-SM
scottmason1
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Oct 2 2008, 11:08 AM) [snapback]406045[/snapback]
I cannot wait for the VP debate. It should be a laugh out loud riot. I might vote republican, in hopes that McCain dies and we get Palin as president, because she might be the only one that would be able to be as entertaining as the current moron who has the job. Shit, this country is so fucked up anyway, i doubt anyone will fix that shit anyway. I'd rather be entertained as the ship sinks.

Hell, if Obama wins, maybe Palin could run as the first US 'court jester'. Or I guess she could just be press secretary, thats what that job has been reduced to now anyway.



LOL Rusty I was actually saying the other day that we should have a right wing comedian run against a left wing comedian because we're gonna be screwed either way, so we might as well get entertaining state of the union speeches.

-SM
salvador
QUOTE(scottmason1 @ Oct 2 2008, 03:22 PM) [snapback]406053[/snapback]
suffice it to say that I don't like our chances with either guy very much at all.


we agree on that.
The CEO
I think the Dems and Biden played it smart by takin' it easy on Palin last night...he pretty much showed mercy on her...deflecting her attacks with a big ass smile and going straight after her superior.....I like how he killed the the overly used "maverick" as well....I give him the win....

The focus was on Palin, and on the surface, she held her own....so alot of people might see that as a win for her....but I personally noticed she didn't answer many questions and was a broken record with her Energy handling credentials....

Anyway....I can see right through that maneating dummy, Palin...."Gosh darnit."...
rusty_trombone
Palin proved she could read last night. Good for her. That's a step up from before. Girl power!
Method
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Palin proved she could read last night. Good for her. That's a step up from before. Girl power!


Obama does real well too. We've all seen how ridiculously tragic it is when his teleprompter goes blank *pictures Ashlee Simpson on SNL doing a jig when they cue the wrong music to lip synch*
salvador
I think there should be a drinking game based on how frequently candidates go out of their way to express how deep our friendship is with Israel.

-Maybe drink once if it's simple and obvious: "Iran can't be allowed to get nukes...Israel"
-Maybe drink twice if the subject has nothing to do with Israel and a politician spins it that way: "Uh, no, I don't think anyone believe this bailout plan is perfect, but if the US taxpayer has to pay for Wall Street's sins, then the only logical thing to do would be to send some more money to our good friends in Israel."
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(Method @ Oct 3 2008, 11:17 AM) [snapback]406088[/snapback]
Obama does real well too. We've all seen how ridiculously tragic it is when his teleprompter goes blank *pictures Ashlee Simpson on SNL doing a jig when they cue the wrong music to lip synch*

Yeah, Obama's debate presence against McCain without a teleprompter was just horrendous. There's no comparison between the two. We've repeatedly seen Obama get torn to shreds by the hard hitting journalism of Katie Couric.

Nice try. I don't know why you like her anyway, didn't make you for the "Joe 6-pack" type Method, figured you looked down on those plebs.
Spyder
My thoughts on last night...

-Palin was obviously nervous at first, but seemed to settle down around the half-way point. "Hi Joe, do you mind if I call you Joe?"
-She was heavily schooled about the questions, but not too much since Joe was able to point out that McCain voted the same was as Obama on a few cases.
-Biden was smart not to attack her, since that would've been seen as the old man beating up on the poor girl.
-Palin seemed at times like a beauty pageant contestant giving her answer to "What's the one thing you would change in the world?"
-Biden temporarily slipped up and showed his distaste for the American mindset with his, "Tried and true, Red, White and....uh wah uh REPLUBLICAN solutions..."
-The McCain campaign's attempt to postpone the presidential debate was obviously made to buy more time to prepare Palin.

Joe Biden is a piece of shit with backwards ideas, but he was much more comfortable in that environment and made a better showing of himself.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(salvador @ Oct 3 2008, 11:30 AM) [snapback]406089[/snapback]
I think there should be a drinking game based on how frequently candidates go out of their way to express how deep our friendship is with Israel.

-Maybe drink once if it's simple and obvious: "Iran can't be allowed to get nukes...Israel"
-Maybe drink twice if the subject has nothing to do with Israel and a politician spins it that way: "Uh, no, I don't think anyone believe this bailout plan is perfect, but if the US taxpayer has to pay for Wall Street's sins, then the only logical thing to do would be to send some more money to our good friends in Israel."

Yeah, I'm tired of pandering to the Israeli's, if we offered them up as a sacrifice to the terrorists, they would probably be cool with us.
scottmason1
QUOTE(salvador @ Oct 3 2008, 11:30 AM) [snapback]406089[/snapback]
I think there should be a drinking game based on how frequently candidates go out of their way to express how deep our friendship is with Israel.

-Maybe drink once if it's simple and obvious: "Iran can't be allowed to get nukes...Israel"
-Maybe drink twice if the subject has nothing to do with Israel and a politician spins it that way: "Uh, no, I don't think anyone believe this bailout plan is perfect, but if the US taxpayer has to pay for Wall Street's sins, then the only logical thing to do would be to send some more money to our good friends in Israel."


LOL how about we also drink everytime we hear any of the following.....

-Hope
-Change
-Maverick
-Reformer
-Working Families
-Surge
-Special Interests
-Wall Street
-Main Street
-Average American

We'll all be drunk by lunch time everyday.......way too drunk to care about these four clowns.

-SM
Spyder
QUOTE(scottmason1 @ Oct 3 2008, 02:00 PM) [snapback]406100[/snapback]
LOL how about we also drink everytime we hear any of the following.....

-Hope
-Change
-Maverick
-Reformer
-Working Families
-Surge
-Special Interests
-Wall Street
-Main Street
-Average American

We'll all be drunk by lunch time everyday.......way too drunk to care about these four clowns.

-SM

Add to the list:

-Same
-4 more years of
-This administrations'
-Climate Change
-Out of Touch
-Man-Bear-Pig

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rusty_trombone
QUOTE(scottmason1 @ Oct 3 2008, 02:00 PM) [snapback]406100[/snapback]
LOL how about we also drink everytime we hear any of the following.....

-Hope
-Change
-Maverick
-Reformer
-Working Families
-Surge
-Special Interests
-Wall Street
-Main Street
-Average American

We'll all be drunk by lunch time everyday.......way too drunk to care about these four clowns.

-SM

Yeah, especially after Maverick. you would think your voting for Mel Gibson
Spyder
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Oct 3 2008, 01:10 PM) [snapback]406094[/snapback]
Nice try. I don't know why you like her anyway, didn't make you for the "Joe 6-pack" type Method, figured you looked down on those plebs.

What's worse...

Being an elitist and looking down on "Joe 6-pack", or having an elitist attitude and looking down on "Joe 6-pack" without realizing that you are one? dntknw.gif
scottmason1
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Oct 3 2008, 02:37 PM) [snapback]406103[/snapback]
Yeah, especially after Maverick. you would think your voting for Mel Gibson



I thought James Garner was The Maverick?

-SM
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(Spyder @ Oct 3 2008, 03:02 PM) [snapback]406104[/snapback]
What's worse...

Being an elitist and looking down on "Joe 6-pack", or having an elitist attitude and looking down on "Joe 6-pack" without realizing that you are one? dntknw.gif

Or, tricking Joe 6-pack into thinking that you have their best intentions in mind, while pretending to be their buddy. Or how about calling us Joe 6-packs? I'm pretty sure she was referring to me.
Spyder
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Oct 3 2008, 04:15 PM) [snapback]406106[/snapback]
Or, tricking Joe 6-pack into thinking that you have their best intentions in mind, while pretending to be their buddy. Or how about calling us Joe 6-packs? I'm pretty sure she was referring to me.

Yeah she was...does your impact on society somehow differentiate you from that demographic? Maybe you'd prefer that she called you middle-class America instead. That way you could still feel superior to the Mark Lunsfords of the world because you don't watch NASCAR or drink Busch in a can.
rusty_trombone
QUOTE(Spyder @ Oct 3 2008, 05:08 PM) [snapback]406107[/snapback]
Yeah she was...does your impact on society somehow differentiate you from that demographic? Maybe you'd prefer that she called you middle-class America instead. That way you could still feel superior to the Mark Lunsfords of the world because you don't watch NASCAR or drink Busch in a can.

Well, I'm sure you can differentiate education levels even in class. Economically classes are a bit different than education and intelligence classes. There are plenty of rich-dumbasses just as much as there are poor and middle class dumb-asses. I'd guess I'd prefer if the retards didn't get the same amount of say as the non-retards. And rich people just didn't get more say because of their means. It's a systemic problem, our system doesn't account for who will be the best for the job at any level. You might trust Alex with a say in something that affects you, while I don't. Doesn't it bother you that Alex gets just as much say as you do?
Spyder
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Oct 3 2008, 07:16 PM) [snapback]406109[/snapback]
Well, I'm sure you can differentiate education levels even in class. Economically classes are a bit different than education and intelligence classes. There are plenty of rich-dumbasses just as much as there are poor and middle class dumb-asses. I'd guess I'd prefer if the retards didn't get the same amount of say as the non-retards. And rich people just didn't get more say because of their means. It's a systemic problem, our system doesn't account for who will be the best for the job at any level. You might trust Alex with a say in something that affects you, while I don't. Doesn't it bother you that Alex gets just as much say as you do.

It's not for me to decide. We each get one vote. Retard, Alex, or the rest of us. I guess the system works in our favor since Alex only gets one vote, whether he chooses to use it or not. What remains to be in the public interest is that the majority will always be represented. Now when Alex becomes the majority then we're ALL shit out of luck!

*For everyone on these fora that don't know Alex, watch the movie "Idiocracy". laugh.gif

rusty_trombone
I'm pretty sure Alex is the majority of the voters in this country now. So, yes we are fucked
salvador
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Oct 4 2008, 11:18 AM) [snapback]406139[/snapback]
I'm pretty sure Alex is the majority of the voters in this country now. So, yes we are fucked


We're fucked either way.

Buy gold!
scottmason1
QUOTE(salvador @ Oct 4 2008, 01:02 PM) [snapback]406146[/snapback]
We're fucked either way.

Buy gold!


HAHA co-sign!

-SM
scottmason1
QUOTE(rusty_trombone @ Oct 4 2008, 11:18 AM) [snapback]406139[/snapback]
I'm pretty sure Alex is the majority of the voters in this country now. So, yes we are fucked



That's part of it, no question. Far too many people who vote (on both sides) are uninformed and vote for a candidate for reasons they cannot competently explain. I actually agree with Trey Parker and Matt Stone - if you aren't informed, there is no shame in not voting. My brother doesn't care about politics, doesn't know anything about it, so he chooses not to bother on election day. Sure, in a perfect world, everybody would be informed (and actually, some of the most informed people I know don't vote out of sheer principle) - but this isn't a perfect world and you have every right not to vote if that's what you decide.

But I think there is an even bigger problem, which is a big part of the reason why so many people can't be bothered to truly get informed. Only about 10% of the population (roughly 30 million) votes in most elections. Of those 30 million, roughly half view the person they are voting for as the lesser of two evils. So we're talking about only 5% of the population who (1) votes (2) Likes who they are voting for. When only 5% of the population is enthusiastic about the process, I think it clearly demonstrates that something needs to be done to change it. More choices (instead of just the Crest and Colgate parties) would be a start.

-SM
scottmason1
I don't know if anybody has seen that obnoxious new five minute PSA with all these famous actors telling everybody they have to vote and how important it is (when most of them probably don't even vote) but Reason chopped it up into 60 seconds and put in subtitles to parody it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02Lj54edyUk...eason.com/blog/

Personally, I thought it was pretty funny.

-SM
Spyder
"That One" bitches!

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Sarah Palin quote on oil from Yahoo Finance:

"The Lord made dinosaurs 4,000 years ago as flawed creatures, lizards of Satan really, so that when they died and became petroleum products we, made in his perfect image, could use them in our pick up trucks, snow machines, and fishing boats."


This is obviously a joke that came from the message board, but I thought it was about the funniest thing I've read or heard about this campaign.
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