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STEVENSKI
Quite a interesting piece on Zags by Frank Warren.

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WHEN Joe Calzaghe said he would promote himself against Roy Jones Jnr, he said he hoped our split would be amicable.

Well that obviously isn’t the case but having considered him more a friend than a fighter I have kept my silence.


But Calzaghe’s recent attacks on me in the Press have left me no choice but to defend myself in print, although I find it deeply saddening that I have to do so.


When Joe signed with me he couldn’t afford to pay his mortgage. But over 12 long, hard, but successful years, I helped make him into a multi-millionaire, one of the best-known UK sports personalities who is now nailed-on for boxing’s Hall of Fame.


In his book, he says signing with me was the best decision he ever made. But he now claims he was held back, kept in ‘shackles’ and could have had big fights sooner.


Yet until he beat Jeff Lacy and finally began to believe in himself, one person and one person alone afflicted his career: Joe Calzaghe.


He would pull out of fights at short notice for reasons he felt were valid. But it left me to sort out the mess with opponents furious and TV execs pulling their hair out.


Once I had to pay opponents cash up front before they would sign a contract because they were afraid of going through weeks of training camps for nothing if he pulled out.


I lost $100,000 to Glen Johnson when Joe pulled out of a world-title fight with him for a second time. This the same Johnson who KO’d Jones four years ago.


I recall that when I vetoed a fight with Freeman Barr, a dreadful mediocre No 1 mandatory challenger who meant nothing, Joe said that he wanted to face him.


Sky and I didn’t want the fight and fortunately the bout didn’t come off after Barr was beaten. For much of Joe’s career, I worked with US TV network Showtime, and they nicknamed Calzaghe ‘No Show Joe’, not least because of the pullouts and the fact he’d refuse to travel to the States to promote his fights.


Calzaghe blamed his reluctance to travel on his fear of flying. But it made trying to build a name for him in the US a nightmare.


For chunks of Calzaghe’s reign as a world champ, American TV lost all interest in the Welshman, but I continued to pay him the same money he was on when he was boxing on Showtime.


And it wasn’t just the Americans who were growing frustrated with Joe.


When the WBO ordered Calzaghe to face Mario Veit for a second time — having already knocked him out in the first round — I had a major problem because not one television station in the UK wanted the fight.


Fortunately I managed to kid Veit’s German promoters I was going to make a big bid and it would take a massive sum to take the fight to the Continent.


They gambled on being able to recoup some of the money back from Sky or ITV.


They got a nasty surprise when they realised there would hardly be a penny our end — but Joe still grossed $1.7m when the fight could have gone for zilch.


After Veit II, Calzaghe went on to fight Lacy in what would go down as one of the best British performances of all time.

Proudest moment
Yet that fight, like others, was nearly shelved.


He insisted a couple of weeks beforehand he was injured and couldn’t fight.


Both his dad Enzo and I persuaded him in the end to step through the ropes, something I’ve never done with a boxer before or since.


For me, that was the making of Calzaghe.


But my proudest moment in the sport came 18 months later when Joe beat Mikkel Kessler in Cardiff to prove what I’d said for years — that he was the world’s best super-middleweight. I lost £500,000 on that show but money really didn’t matter on the night because it was such a wonderful feeling to see him finally unify the world titles.


Knowing Joe had a good chance of winning BBC Sports Personality of the Year, the week before voting I gave the BBC a re-run of the fight for free despite being offered money for the delay by ITV.


I believed it would help secure votes for him. It duly did — and my decision was vindicated when Calzaghe won Sports Personality.


But then so much of my time with Joe was spent working behind the scenes to raise his profile.


When the opportunity to meet the Prince of Wales in Cardiff came up, Joe was reluctant to go along, even though it was just a few miles down the road.


In the end, I was able to make him see sense. Was it a coincidence that in the spring he was awarded the CBE?


Other times I wasn’t so successful. One Saturday morning he was due to appear on a children’s TV show which was based on boxing and centred on Joe.


Thirty minutes before the show was due to go on air in London, I got a call from Joe, no doubt for reasons, saying he wouldn’t be able to go after all, leaving me again to call the unfortunate producers.


I gave up trying to get him the kind of gigs Ricky Hatton would do at the drop of a hat.


Joe made comments about the money and attention Hatton got but, although Joe is the better boxer, Ricky was prepared to put in the hard yards to get publicity.


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In April, having decided he could travel to the States, Joe defeated Bernard Hopkins in Las Vegas — a night where I felt a great deal of personal vindication.


Months before the fight, we met and agreed I’d promote Joe’s next bout — which he said would be his last — and I began negotiating with Bob Arum for Kelly Pavlik and Roy Jones.


I preferred the Pavlik fight as Jones is way past his best.


In the 2008 latest edition of his autobiography, Joe states Jones is ‘washed up’ and in an interview in Boxing Monthly said he had ‘no interest’ in fighting Jones.


Now he is trying to make out Jones will provide a legitimate challenge.


Jones will probably get on his bike against Calzaghe — Joe struggles against runners. I believe I could have got Calzaghe far more money than he managed to secure himself.


He agreed a 50-50 purse split with Jones. Roy must have thought he had won the lottery.


After Joe beat Hopkins, HBO pay-per-view exec Mark Taffett told me they didn’t care who he fought next — Calzaghe was the No 1, not Jones or Pavlik.


Over-the-hill Jones brought hardly a thing to the table — and certainly not 50 per cent. A fight against Pavlik, which Arum had agreed, would have done far more for Calzaghe’s legacy.


And Arum would have accepted 40 per cent of the pay-per-view figures and given up the UK revenue.


As Joe’s manager, I was entitled to take a percentage of his purses but never took sixpence from him, barring the second Veit fight, which was on another promoter’s show.


At 36, he is hardly a kid who has been exploited. And it’s ironic he has attacked me this week over the choice of Amir Khan’s opponent.


I’ve said all along the buck stops with me — the same matchmaker who picked Calzaghe’s opponents during his unbeaten reign.


Over the years, I helped Joe with personal problems, gave him gifts and genuinely believed we had become friends.


I also became close to his dad, who joked with me at ringside in Manchester this month. If someone kept my son in ‘shackles’ and mistreated him, I wouldn’t give them the time of day.


I still regard Calzaghe as the best fighter to have come out of the UK since the war.


Although he is something special between the ropes, it seems money is now his master.


He said as much recently when ‘ambushed’ live on ITV by Carl Froch, who demanded a fight.


Calzaghe’s response? “It’s all about the money, man.”


I won’t comment on Joe again until the action between him and Sports Network is decided. It’s so sad it has come to this.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
I read this too and had a chuckle.

Hey Frank Warren talks a lot of shit but show me a promoter that doesn't.

The problem for Joe is when you've been with a guy that long then he knows every little secret about you, and now Warren is just making Joe look like a bigger arse than usual.

I personally never buy this 'shackles shit' that boxers spout off on. They're grown men for christ sakes if you don't like it don't keep renewing your contract with the guy.

This always happens at the end of a fighters career when they have one or two big paydays left and want to maximise their earnings potential, which is OK, but then don't go and insult the fans' intelligence by badmouthing the promoter who set you up with loads of soft paydays which you gleefully accepted a multiplicity of times down the years.

BigG
I didn't read the article but my response to this thread is

I. Hate. Joe. Calzgahe.
BigG
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 29 2008, 04:42 AM) [snapback]405749[/snapback]
Calzaghe > Judah


Fitz just come out of the closet we know you're a Calslappy fan.

True but many fighters > Judah. At least Judah throws bombs and doesn't throw punches like drunken slapsman
STEVENSKI
I used to think that Joe got a bad rap. I am starting to hate him now. Thats no good my hate may spill over.
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(Fitz @ Sep 29 2008, 04:53 AM) [snapback]405753[/snapback]
Those 2 words in a sentence reminds me of a certain fight. lol.



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BigG
Yeah, he got knocked silly by Tszyu.

Fitz just admit it and say you're a Calzaghe nuthugger and you think Kessler/Mundine are the greatest things next to Calzgahe
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(biggeorge89 @ Sep 29 2008, 06:33 AM) [snapback]405766[/snapback]
Yeah, he got knocked silly by Tszyu.

Fitz just admit it and say you're a Calzaghe nuthugger and you think Kessler/Mundine are the greatest things next to Calzgahe



I don't think Fitz nuthuggs anyone except his beloved fucking Collingwood who are the Zab Judah of the AFL showing promise but never delivering.
JonnyBlaze
Zab Judah street fight after shootin tickles
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Sep 28 2008, 11:52 PM) [snapback]405752[/snapback]
I used to think that Joe got a bad rap. I am starting to hate him now. Thats no good my hate may spill over.


Steve I fear your hate may have spilled over a long long time ago.

But don't try and quell it because I swear to God your hate and vitriol is hands down the laugh out funniest thing on these boards.

In the coming months I for one hope your hate for Calzaghe grows, and as we already know of your hate for Roid, I'm sure your pre-fight analysis of their upcoming fisticuffs will be a thing of ferocious beauty.
getup
Last month Frank Warren candidly spoke to a UK publication that he likened the Pavlik matchup more (than Jones) because he thought it would be easier (went off about Pavlik's one dimensional style as well as having to move up to face Joe).

Frank is bitter and perhaps delusional......the nonsense that Joe would've made more money with him against Pavlik is just a poppycock spin job.

Joe sold out for money? (that's what fighters fight for by the way) Ask Frank what his demigod is.

It doesn't matter Joe will probably win his lawsuit with Warren anyways, which means that bonehead will have to fork over the money STILL OWED to Joe for the Bernard Hopkins fight....Warren kills me.
BoxingStill#1
After reading....it sounds to me like Joe wouldnt fight Pavlik unless the purse was like a 70/30 split!.....

King Eugene
Eventually everyone when in the position will want to make their own money and keep as much as possible. Hell if you can promote it without a promoter and get more money then do it!

Oh and Roy will win!
Mean Mister Mustard
QUOTE(3King3 @ Sep 29 2008, 09:08 PM) [snapback]405834[/snapback]
Eventually everyone when in the position will want to make their own money and keep as much as possible. Hell if you can promote it without a promoter and get more money then do it!

Oh and Roy will win!


Last time I was rooting for Jones was in the 3rd Tarver fight. Hope he doesn't disappoint here again.
King Eugene
QUOTE(Mean Mister Mustard @ Sep 29 2008, 10:36 PM) [snapback]405838[/snapback]
Last time I was rooting for Jones was in the 3rd Tarver fight. Hope he doesn't disappoint here again.

Me and you both. If he does I'm petitioning for his retirement!
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(Mean Mister Mustard @ Sep 30 2008, 02:36 AM) [snapback]405838[/snapback]
Last time I was rooting for Jones was in the 3rd Tarver fight. Hope he doesn't disappoint here again.



I will be rooting for the roof to collapse onto the ring expecially if Shady Nady or Fair but a Fraud are doing the refereeing.

As much as I can't stand Tarter I was hoping to see him take Roy's head off in their third fight.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Sep 29 2008, 10:33 PM) [snapback]405846[/snapback]
I will be rooting for the roof to collapse onto the ring expecially if Shady Nady or Fair but a Fraud are doing the refereeing.

As much as I can't stand Tarter I was hoping to see him take Roy's head off in their third fight.

I gave Roy a lot of respect gettin back in the ring with him after such a crazy KO..I bet Roy had nightmares of that left hand comin in at him like that and his body crumbling like it did..He went down in a really weird way..
STEVENSKI
A way that happens when your chin gets exposed & checked.

I always hated Roy but my hate bubbled over when I lost $500.00 on him to beat Johnson. Whilst I lost money I think it was worth the $$ to see him stretchered again.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Sep 29 2008, 10:43 PM) [snapback]405851[/snapback]
A way that happens when your chin gets exposed & checked.

I always hated Roy but my hate bubbled over when I lost $500.00 on him to beat Johnson. Whilst I lost money I think it was worth the $$ to see him stretchered again.

Damnnn..Big loss..I don't bet much but I never bet that much..Definitely sparked a lot more hate for him I bet..
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Sep 29 2008, 11:33 PM) [snapback]405846[/snapback]
I will be rooting for the roof to collapse onto the ring expecially if Shady Nady or Fair but a Fraud are doing the refereeing.

As much as I can't stand Tarter I was hoping to see him take Roy's head off in their third fight.



I know what your saying....I personally never wanted Roy to lose.....but I know what you mean .....

Much like how people want PBF to get his head taken off......but would still be pullin for him during a come back......
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(BoxingStill#1 @ Sep 29 2008, 10:47 PM) [snapback]405853[/snapback]
I know what your saying....I personally never wanted Roy to lose.....but I know what you mean .....

Much like how people want PBF to get his head taken off......but would still be pullin for him during a come back......

I like Roy and I like Floyd..I like Roy outside the ring and I don't like Floyd outside the ring..I don't give a shit about what ya all might not like about em but they are 2 of the most skilled fighters..Ya can't argue that either..They both are insanely smart in the ring..
BoxingStill#1
QUOTE(JonnyBlaze @ Sep 29 2008, 11:51 PM) [snapback]405854[/snapback]
I like Roy and I like Floyd..I like Roy outside the ring and I don't like Floyd outside the ring..I don't give a shit about what ya all might not like about em but they are 2 of the most skilled fighters..Ya can't argue that either..They both are insanely smart in the ring..


Oh dont confuse me...Im huge fan of the both of them,......

Floyed really isnt too bad either outside promotion for fights.....He wasnt so cocky "pre-gatti"..

I give the edge to PBF in the smarts department.....Jones is(was) more pure talent...
King Eugene
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Sep 29 2008, 11:43 PM) [snapback]405851[/snapback]
A way that happens when your chin gets exposed & checked.

I always hated Roy but my hate bubbled over when I lost $500.00 on him to beat Johnson. Whilst I lost money I think it was worth the $$ to see him stretchered again.

LOL that was your failt for betting that much hard earned money on him (well unless you just got it like that). He'll he is my favorite fighter but I wont bet no more than $20 on him.
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(BoxingStill#1 @ Sep 29 2008, 10:55 PM) [snapback]405856[/snapback]
Oh dont confuse me...Im huge fan of the both of them,......

Floyed really isnt too bad either outside promotion for fights.....He wasnt so cocky "pre-gatti"..

I give the edge to PBF in the smarts department.....Jones is(was) more pure talent...

I give the smarts edge to Floyd too..He never messes around in the ring and never leaves himself open on purpose..Roy jokes around and has gotten caught before because of it..Floyd is all business in the ring for the most part..My post wasn't aimed at anyone either..I could tell by your post before that,that you are a fan of both..A lot of people hate Floyd..
JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(3King3 @ Sep 29 2008, 11:02 PM) [snapback]405858[/snapback]
LOL that was your failt for betting that much hard earned money on him (well unless you just got it like that). He'll he is my favorite fighter but I wont bet no more than $20 on him.

Hahaha..20 bucks is my highest bet..Put that on the Celtics to win the finals..
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(3King3 @ Sep 30 2008, 04:02 AM) [snapback]405858[/snapback]
LOL that was your failt for betting that much hard earned money on him (well unless you just got it like that). He'll he is my favorite fighter but I wont bet no more than $20 on him.



It certainly was but what can I say I am a compulsive gambler who is now in recovery. I used to bet a lot more than that that is for sure.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Sep 29 2008, 11:11 PM) [snapback]405862[/snapback]
It certainly was but what can I say I am a compulsive gambler who is now in recovery. I used to bet a lot more than that that is for sure.


I bet you got shitty odds on Roid too. This would have been back in the day when people regarded his knockout loss to The Milkdud of Malice as a fluke and Glen was nothing more than a warm-up.

Shitty odds would have increased my hate even more!!
STEVENSKI
QUOTE(the ollie reed fan club @ Sep 30 2008, 10:58 AM) [snapback]405875[/snapback]
I bet you got shitty odds on Roid too. This would have been back in the day when people regarded his knockout loss to The Milkdud of Malice as a fluke and Glen was nothing more than a warm-up.

Shitty odds would have increased my hate even more!!



From memory it was $1.26 for a win & $1.85 for a KO. I chose the KO option. Silly me, I should have known better once Roy was exposed as a chinless wonder.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(STEVENSKI @ Sep 30 2008, 08:15 PM) [snapback]405918[/snapback]
From memory it was $1.26 for a win & $1.85 for a KO. I chose the KO option. Silly me, I should have known better once Roy was exposed as a chinless wonder.


The problem there Stevenski was 'y'all must have forgot!!'
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