QUOTE(Big Slim @ Oct 2 2008, 10:09 AM) [snapback]406046[/snapback]
How are you proposing this matchup though? Holyfield as a cruiserweight was in his mid-20's absolute prime. Toney as a cruiserweight was past his best. Are you saying, the Holyfield of 1986-1988 vs. the Toney of 2000-2003? Or is this more a p4p thing where you envision the best version of either man and fit him so to speak into a 200 pound frame.
Cause they're very different scenarios. A mid-20's Holyfield would have beaten a mid-30's Toney, no doubt, although I think it still would have been an entertaining fight and by no means a one-sided knockout. Like Bernard Hopkins said, "Ain't nobody knocking James Toney out."
P4P prime vs. prime however I believe the matchup favors Toney. Holyfield is the kind of fighter James has always loved to fight - he comes right at you looking to trade shots and is wide open for counters. Toney, OTOH, is the kind of fighter even a prime Holyfield struggled with. Look at his first battle with Qawi (though Holyfield blasted him to bits in the rematch, Qaawi himself was way past his best by that point). Holyfield also had some difficulty with Bert Cooper, who while nothing like JT style-wise had a similar body type. Holyfield loved to fight on the inside and gave away a lot of his natural advantages when facing smaller guys for the pure thrill of slugging it out, and that would have played right into Lights Out's hands.
I think Toney was still in his prime at cruiserweight..No one beat him there and he fought really tough guys..Holyfield is a lot more diverse of a fighter than you are saying..Holyfield is the complete fighter..He can fight any way and can adapt to anyone when he is in 100% health..When Holyfield is "sluggin it out" he isn't just going crazy on his opponent,he is thinking the whole time..Watch him more closely on the inside..He does have time where he know he has to go all out and when he does that,it normally comes out on top..Toney was weighing in the cruiserweight range in 95..He fought Greg Everett in 95 for a cruiserweight belt..He also fought McCallum at cruiserweight too..How familiar are you with Toney's record??Do you just know his big fights??Noone has KO'd Toney but I don't know how many of Holyfields punches he could of taken if they were flush..Jirov could of won the Toney fight but Toney came through in the last round..Also,James Toney and Qawi are definitely not the same body type AT ALL!!Toney is 5'10,Qawi was like 5'6..Qawi was soooo stocky..Toney was a decent sized cruiserweight but nowhere near the build of Qawi..They both are hard hard to hit,thats about all ya can compare them by..Qawi is a extremely heavy hitter and Toney is a amazing counter puncher that has to break you down to put you out at cruiser..
The Holyfield/Qawi first fight was the first time Holy even went past 8 ROUNDS!!!!!He was fighting a 15 round fight and had only gone 8 before that fight..I know he had to of been thinking about his stamina the whole fight..Also,Holy lost 15 lbs in the ring that night too..It is insanity!!Shows ya what kinda hell he'd go through..
Holy would of known not to try to go all out on Toney,he would have varied his attack a lot..Toney has a good jab but Holy's jab would of been a lot more effective by setting up left hooks when Toney slips the jab..Toney is a master working off the ropes,but Holy is a master of bustin you up bad against the ropes soo I would really of wanted to see who owns the ropes in that fight at cruiserweight..