QUOTE(Jack 1000 @ Nov 7 2008, 03:38 PM) [snapback]409764[/snapback]
Ring lost all credibility when they gave Vitali Klitschko their belt over a LOSING effort to Lennox Lewis. Now with Golden Boy Promotions assuming ownership of the magazine, it is what it is, a MAGAZINE. Ring is so far removed from its 1926-1970's heyday that one can't even draw comparisons to that time period anymore.
Boxing is much too internationally structured with any concept of a one world=one champion ideology. Sanctioning fees are used to cover the expenses and overheads for the organizations to make the belts, perform day to day operations, and use that money for research and development. The WBC is going to be presenting ideas for unification of boxing federations titles at its next convention along with better communications between the TV networks and promoters for consistency and uniformity. (Blackbelt made a post about this on the forum.) Jose Sulaiman has acknowledged at this year's WBC convention that the state of boxing is in very bad shape now. I think the WBC does the best effort at establishing and maintaining public communications better than the other organizations. At least they are willing to listen and make suggestions from the fans, something that I often have not seen from the IBF, WBA, or WBO.
I used to see Ring Magazine as a positive force for boxing, not anymore. With Internet technologies today, Ring's magazine data is so outdated. Most of its writers are American based and ratings are more of a popularity contest than that of fistic merits. At least the sanctioning bodies do force title elimination matches between their top contenders. Ring Magazine can't do that. It's background is based on faded name history in name-only. Nowadays, the Ring belt is no longer special, it's just another belt, bought, sold, and manipulated by Golden Boy Promotions. I'm sure HBO would love to get in on this as Oscar's cash cow!
At least with world federations, you have representation in hundreds of countries around the world that can reflect the changing times in social, economic, and technological advancements. Ring Magazine is still stuck in a traditional 8 weight class, one champion, 15-round title fight mode. The problem is boxing historian elite fan-base is shrinking. The best writers of the past are retired or have passed on. Up through the late 70's, you had merit with Ring. However, the sanctioning bodies are going to stick around, like it or not, because boxing is not an American sport anymore.
Federation champions SHOULD pay the sanctioning fees. If this were the past and Ring had merit, it would be more understandable if they did not. However, there isn't much proven by not paying the fees other than the loss of championship recognition. Than you have this, "Well, I am the champ of the people because I didn't pay my sanctioning fee." The problem is, there are too many international countries that support the alphabet federations, and than that champion (or former champion) has to explain to their commissions, "Well, I am the people's champion." They could say "bullshit!" You would get too much off a big doo-doo mess if champions gave up their alphabet titles. Than it because to the fans and the media from different countries, "Who the fuck am I supposed to follow?" Best example of this? Back in the mid 80's when Tyson had all three sanctioning body belts, but Michael Spinks had the "Ring" and linear title based on beating Holmes twice. And it was not until Tyson destroyed Spinks that people universally knew whom to recognize.
It's hard enough to get these fighters to even fight today, let alone the best fighting the best. I would submit that you have to have alphabet belts, or their would be too much disparity and controversy over who is and who is not a champion. Say that only Ring belts were recognized today, and no alphabet titles. However, other countries and people may not recognize the Ring belts and only acknowledged the alphabet belts. In this case, boxing people who refuse to follow Ring's ratings would never have world champions. People are looking for universal easy solutions that don't exist anymore.
You make some valid points but as I mentioned I do say that the Ring title is not a perfect concept and needs some things ironed out. One of shortcomings I mentioned was the B.S about keeping the title until someone beats you.
But do we need 4 main sanctioning bodies? Really?
I agree with a concept of a universal Ring title or any kind of universal title you need some input globally about how it's gonna be done but having 4 different straps out there is part of what's killing boxing.
Can you imagine having 4 different basketball or baseball leagues? How confusing would that get?
I would argue that it is having the 4 belts that creates so much of the disparity and top fighters can get away from not fighting each other under the old "I can't make this fight right now because I've got to face my mandatory" excuse.
They hide behind that shit all the time. Even the really elite level guys.
As for the sanctioning bodies making the top contenders fight each other in elimantions, is that some kind of joke?
Case in point we have a heavyweight here in NZ who I personally think is a load of shit. His name is Shane Cameron. I think he is now on the WBO list at number 15 and the IBF also rate him at 15. Now check this out, until his last fight he had never beaten anyone in the world's top 50! Is Terry smith in the world's top 50? Maybe. Well that was the last guy he beat, and only 3 fights ago this chump got knocked cold by Friday Ahunanya.
How the fuck can anyone get to 15 in the world without ever beating anyone in the world's top 50?? Could it happen in tennis? Golf? Motor racing? Only in boxing.
That to me is the phallacy of the sanctioning bodies, that a tomato can like Cameron can rise so high in their 'rankings' without ever beating anyone and it's why I can't put any faith in them.
Perhaps the sanctioning bodies have their place as you say to help develop the sport globally and so forth. There's some good logic there, but as I say their straps are no more than trinkets to me and if they want to call themselves WBC or WBA champion then fine, but that doesn't necessarily make them a world champion in my book.
Heck it even seems that insular old dude Sulaiman agrees with me.