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Nay_Sayer
Trinidad de la Hoya II is definately going to happen, IMO....
King Eugene
QUOTE(Nay_Sayer @ Dec 10 2008, 11:12 PM) [snapback]415695[/snapback]
Trinidad de la Hoya II is definately going to happen, IMO....

A lot will disagree with me but I still want to see it but at 160 though. Then again Tito may be too drained come fight night and get Oscar'd*

Oscar'd = new one worder for beat downs. Like in football you can be Moss'd or in basketball you can be Posterized.
Lil-lightsout
Two things are certain. Oscar will fight again, no fucking way will he go out like that. And I do not think he will ever fight at welterweight again. As far as him and Trinidad, I do not know.
Method
He better stay the fuck away from Trinidad. Any other time I probably would have still favored Oscar, but I think at this point, Trinidad is the better reserved fighter.
torvix2000
Pacman, what the heck... ironically, is BAD... very BAD for boxing!!!

He's pulverizing PPV personalities like Barrera, Morales, DLH. Pacquiao will pulverize Hatton to retirement at 140 (his best weight) and you can bet there will be no Brits who will buy tickets again for a while.

All those beautiful chicks who know nothing about boxing but who came to watch Dela Hoya must still be in shock seeing how Dela Hoya's face turned from an "Idol" to another Pac look-alike.

Floyd is good for boxing. I want him back. Look at the way he carried Dela Hoya. He didn't beat him up so bad.
stillperpetuallygrooving
oscar is the man...without him, YOU would not be able to see your favorite fighters because of the lack of money associated with the sport...i love him...haha so why he got beat up by manny, just think of how badly he could beat you up, and sleep with your wife and make you watch if he wanted....hahahaha then you would be "oscar'd"....hahahahahaha...
BrutalBodyShots
I don't know why people keep talking about this fight, cuz it can't happen.

Oscar will next fight at 154 most likely. He's recently looked like shit at 147 and 160 and decent at 154, so it only makes sense that he'd return at 154.

That said, anyone that thinks Trinidad can make 154 these days needs to watch a different sport.


Nay_Sayer
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 11 2008, 10:03 AM) [snapback]415749[/snapback]
That said, anyone that thinks Trinidad can make 154 these days needs to watch a different sport.

To quote Lennox Lewis, "Money solves all problems."
streetlion1
DLH will fight again...who will remain to be seen. He was obviously too drained and not in shape for his fight with Manny. I think the Trinidad fight is a possiblity but can Tito drop to 154? Cause I dont see Oscar going back to 160. Any of the top guys would probably be willing to fight him but I definitely think he stays away from any risk at this point. He'll probably take an easy fight to go out looking good in and then call it quits.
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(Nay_Sayer @ Dec 11 2008, 11:39 AM) [snapback]415752[/snapback]
To quote Lennox Lewis, "Money solves all problems."


Are you suggesting that with the right money they'll be allowed to weigh in in different divisions? Cuz that's the only way this fight could take place.

Nay_Sayer
QUOTE(BrutalBodyShots @ Dec 11 2008, 11:35 AM) [snapback]415759[/snapback]
Are you suggesting that with the right money they'll be allowed to weigh in in different divisions? Cuz that's the only way this fight could take place.

No. What I'm saying is that if there is enough money on the table then both ODLH and Tito will make the necessary concessions to make the fight happen.

@ the end of the day, there are NO options for ODLH @ 154lbs and he can't make 147 any more. However, Trinidad @ 160 is a very winnable fight for the Golden Girl.

Trinidad likewise has NO options @ 168 or 175. Sure, he could fight Taylor, Hopkins, or Calzaghe - but all of those guys KO Tito for 1/2 the money he'd make fighting ODLH.
Jack 1000
I thought with the harsh economy that we would see PPV's around 800,000. Do you think these figures might be inflated? Why or why not? In any case, as posted, this shows that Oscar can draw and will fight again. He may take six months off to heal. But his ego is too inflated to retire. With those kind of numbers, he will keep fighting, even with breaks in-between until he wins. When he wins, it will be his final fight.

For me, the handwriting is on the wall for his next opponent. Julio C. Chavez Jr. A beatable, very limited fighter who is only there because of his Dad's legacy, but not some total bum either. Chavez Jr. and Oscar would still be very big for Oscar's first fight back. HBO and Lamps will bring out the pom-poms for another 24-7 pre-fight PPV series. The fight will be billed, "This Time, it's Personal." and will PPV for a little less than previous Delahoya PPV's at $49.95, instead of $54.95. It will happen most likely in the Summer of 2009. Oscar will win a decision, maybe even a very controversial one and than retire. If he could not beat Chavez Jr, he will find someone more beatable for the fall around Mexican Independence Day, with the PPV process repeated until he goes out with a win and finally rides off into the sunset.

He's too big of a cash cow for HBO not to consider this type of option.

Jack
King Eugene
QUOTE(stillperpetuallygrooving @ Dec 11 2008, 09:06 AM) [snapback]415739[/snapback]
oscar is the man...without him, YOU would not be able to see your favorite fighters because of the lack of money associated with the sport...i love him...haha so why he got beat up by manny, just think of how badly he could beat you up, and sleep with your wife and make you watch if he wanted....hahahaha then you would be "oscar'd"....hahahahahaha...

LMAO...damn
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
In the world's largest major recession in almost 100 years 1.25 million PPV buys is an awful lot of money.

I'm sure HBO and Golden Girl Productions have their finest script writers working on a plausible excuse for Oscar's loss as we speak. First guy to come up with a half decent reason for his loss gets a bonus!

Maybe they should consider hiring the people that bought Bobby Ewing back from the dead in 'Dallas.' It was just a bad dream.

Hey they managed to re-issue and re-package Tyson about a gazillion times (and I bet if he came out of retirement right now they'd do it again) so I see no reason why they can't perform major career surgery on ODHL just one last time 'for old times sake.'

What that would entail, and worse than anything during the fight, would be more of Oscar's cheesy acting in those (increasingly awful) 24/7 series.

Money talks and bullshit walks.

Rancer
Sorry but are you guys brain donors? These ppv numbers were locked in BEFORE Oscar got his ass beat and exposed as a shot fighter. The numbers prove he WAS a draw but the question is whether he will be a draw anymore. I dont think so. Dunno why you are saying these numbers prove hes still a draw. They dont at all.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(Rancer @ Dec 12 2008, 03:07 AM) [snapback]415943[/snapback]
Sorry but are you guys brain donors? These ppv numbers were locked in BEFORE Oscar got his ass beat and exposed as a shot fighter. The numbers prove he WAS a draw but the question is whether he will be a draw anymore. I dont think so. Dunno why you are saying these numbers prove hes still a draw. They dont at all.


Well actually my learned friend you've kinda answered your own argument.

The point that I and others are making is exactly the same you raise. Oscar's numbers are pretty much always locked in before the fight (give or take a couple of hundred thousand depending on who he's fighting).

How long has it been since Oscar was a legitimate contender? Fucking years.

Has that affected his PPV numbers? Hell no!

And therein lies the rub. Oscar has the most loyal PPV fanbase in boxing bar none and although it will have undoubtely taken a big hit with this crushing and embarassing defeat it is (in these harsh economic times) simply too big for HBO to ignore or walk away from.

Trust me they will try and find a way to resurrect him for precisely the reasons you have mentioned, there will always be a certain portion of his fanbase that is locked in, and that fanbase is (bizarrely) a fucking ocean mile bigger than anybody elses.

Trust me if the people want to believe then they will believe.

If enough of his fans still love him and want to see him fight again then they will swallow whatever garbage excuse HBO throw them.

Don't believe me? Tyson (the only other true legitimate PPV star) is a prime example, and the Pac-Man was no Kevin McBride.

The Ollie Reed Fan Club
Oh and I forgot to mention , lets take an extreme example and say Oscar gets his PPV numbers halved in his next fight.

That means he would do 625,000 PPV buys which is still a shitload more than practically any other active fighter today.

Now I'm not saying I like that, I'm not a particulalrly big Oscar fan but th truth is if he wants to figt again they will find a way to re-brand him him and he'll still do big numbers.


JonnyBlaze
QUOTE(stillperpetuallygrooving @ Dec 11 2008, 10:06 AM) [snapback]415739[/snapback]
oscar is the man...without him, YOU would not be able to see your favorite fighters because of the lack of money associated with the sport...i love him...haha so why he got beat up by manny, just think of how badly he could beat you up, and sleep with your wife and make you watch if he wanted....hahahaha then you would be "oscar'd"....hahahahahaha...

OHHHHH SHIT!!!DAMNNNN..hahaahaha..

This is a funny ass post.
torvix2000
Oscar will package his next fight as "THE COMEBACK" and it will sell! Simply because of the title. Those chicks will watch him do a "COMEBACK". Hahaha! I'm serious.
Rancer
QUOTE(the ollie reed fan club @ Dec 12 2008, 03:19 AM) [snapback]415946[/snapback]
Well actually my learned friend you've kinda answered your own argument.

The point that I and others are making is exactly the same you raise. Oscar's numbers are pretty much always locked in before the fight (give or take a couple of hundred thousand depending on who he's fighting).

How long has it been since Oscar was a legitimate contender? Fucking years.

Has that affected his PPV numbers? Hell no!

Sorry this is flat out wrong. He took p4p mayweather to a split decision so until the manny fight he always had the credibility at a top contender. Now he doesnt.

QUOTE(the ollie reed fan club @ Dec 12 2008, 03:19 AM) [snapback]415946[/snapback]
And therein lies the rub. Oscar has the most loyal PPV fanbase in boxing bar none and although it will have undoubtely taken a big hit with this crushing and embarassing defeat it is (in these harsh economic times) simply too big for HBO to ignore or walk away from.

Trust me they will try and find a way to resurrect him for precisely the reasons you have mentioned, there will always be a certain portion of his fanbase that is locked in, and that fanbase is (bizarrely) a fucking ocean mile bigger than anybody elses.

Trust me if the people want to believe then they will believe.

If enough of his fans still love him and want to see him fight again then they will swallow whatever garbage excuse HBO throw them.

Don't believe me? Tyson (the only other true legitimate PPV star) is a prime example, and the Pac-Man was no Kevin McBride.


I probably agree with you here, as his name will always have some value but not even tyson was recoverable after the mcbride beat down. Oscar no longer has A class credibility, not to the smart fan although HBO and Oscar will probably be able to make up all sorts of excuses for his loss, like he was too light drained ect ect, which the casual joe will probably swallow. The guy should just retire.
The Ollie Reed Fan Club
QUOTE(Rancer @ Dec 12 2008, 06:08 AM) [snapback]415974[/snapback]
Sorry this is flat out wrong. He took p4p mayweather to a split decision so until the manny fight he always had the credibility at a top contender. Now he doesnt.
I probably agree with you here, as his name will always have some value but not even tyson was recoverable after the mcbride beat down. Oscar no longer has A class credibility, not to the smart fan although HBO and Oscar will probably be able to make up all sorts of excuses for his loss, like he was too light drained ect ect, which the casual joe will probably swallow. The guy should just retire.



Seriously did any real feels fans feel that the decision with PBF was even close? Yeah I'll know you say a few but the vast majority (many such as myself who are not PBF fans) KNOW that Floyd walked that fight.

Oscar has been a part time boxer fulltime businessman for a good few years.

As for Tyson if he somehow found a way to get back into fighting shape, handpicked a real putz of an opponent and got the right marketing blitz behind him there still wouldn't be a ton of palooka's willing to part with their money to watch him 'fight?' You know there would.

Remember this is not a debate about the smart fan it's about the mainstream fan.
torvix2000
Dela Hoya wasn't weight drained. Story closed. Here's the link.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=17438
streetlion1
QUOTE(torvix2000 @ Dec 12 2008, 06:58 AM) [snapback]415980[/snapback]
Dela Hoya wasn't weight drained. Story closed. Here's the link.

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=17438

O.K. you DLH haters can have your glory for now but any fan of boxing could see it was obvious DLH was drained weak and not in shape for the fight.
JLUVBABY
QUOTE(Jack 1000 @ Dec 11 2008, 01:20 PM) [snapback]415768[/snapback]
I thought with the harsh economy that we would see PPV's around 800,000. Do you think these figures might be inflated? Why or why not? In any case, as posted, this shows that Oscar can draw and will fight again. He may take six months off to heal. But his ego is too inflated to retire. With those kind of numbers, he will keep fighting, even with breaks in-between until he wins. When he wins, it will be his final fight.

For me, the handwriting is on the wall for his next opponent. Julio C. Chavez Jr. A beatable, very limited fighter who is only there because of his Dad's legacy, but not some total bum either. Chavez Jr. and Oscar would still be very big for Oscar's first fight back. HBO and Lamps will bring out the pom-poms for another 24-7 pre-fight PPV series. The fight will be billed, "This Time, it's Personal." and will PPV for a little less than previous Delahoya PPV's at $49.95, instead of $54.95. It will happen most likely in the Summer of 2009. Oscar will win a decision, maybe even a very controversial one and than retire. If he could not beat Chavez Jr, he will find someone more beatable for the fall around Mexican Independence Day, with the PPV process repeated until he goes out with a win and finally rides off into the sunset.

He's too big of a cash cow for HBO not to consider this type of option.

Jack


i dont know jack.. chavez jr. may not be as beatable for dela hoya anymore as you might think... the kid has some potential... and for sure a dangerous fight for hoya after what i saw last week... dangerous enough that i would put money on him at the sportsbook as a live underdog...
BrutalBodyShots
QUOTE(streetlion1 @ Dec 12 2008, 12:38 PM) [snapback]416018[/snapback]
O.K. you DLH haters can have your glory for now but any fan of boxing could see it was obvious DLH was drained weak and not in shape for the fight.


You aren't weight drained if you don't even have to dehydrate to make weight. Worked himself out too hard and lost too much weight is one thing... but that isn't "weight drained" which suggests what fighters go through to cut water weight and make weigh in weight.

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